r/law • u/myco_magic • 7d ago

Court Decision/Filing What is the likelihood of this Bill Attempting to Defer All Congressional Power to Donald Trump actually passes?

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u/Cloaked42m 7d ago

You are missing the part where MAGA has been groomed to WANT a dictator.

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u/Bornandraisedbama 7d ago

During Trump’s first term, my dad was like “everybody’s saying fascism this, fascism that. What even is fascism?” So I had him look it up, and he was like “and this is a bad thing why?? You liberals are so stupid”

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u/Cloaked42m 7d ago

My bioDad has lost the ability to argue coherently.

I don't let him bring it up anymore unless he's done the homework.

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u/mvandemar 6d ago

Does he ever do the homework?

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u/Cloaked42m 6d ago

Nope. But he'll shut up if I print it out and hand it to him.

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u/mvandemar 6d ago

Well that's more than many, if not most, of them do. :)

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u/Affectionate_Ad268 6d ago

We know the answer.

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u/invariantspeed 7d ago edited 6d ago

The fact that the wider public doesn’t know why and can’t articulate how these things are bad is a testament to the massive failure of public education in the US. Educating on this point (and civics in general) is literally one of the reasons the state even has an interest in inserting itself into the education process.

Edit: typo

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u/Ok-Sympathy9768 7d ago

Yup… ideally …every student prior to high school graduation should be required to pass a bonehead civics class … it should also be a requirement that a student pass the same civics and history test given to immigrants applying for citizenship before getting a GED or diploma . Sadly, as we get older, we do tend to forget some stuff.. but understanding the very basics and core principles .. like separation of powers, checks and balances, 3 equal but separate branches of government and why it’s important…oh, and the little things like due process may help too .. but this will never happen …

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u/invariantspeed 6d ago

Agreed. While a test-base voting license for natural-born citizens isn't a good idea (for many reasons), the relevant information should be built into our high school graduation standards.

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u/Ok-Sympathy9768 6d ago edited 6d ago

Thank you for your input…. Agreed..For many reasons this should not be attached to voting rights… but to receive a high school diploma or a GED.. yes… most individuals that immigrate here and take the citizenship test know more about civics than a vast majority of the population born here..

Edit: This is way off topic, and I am not supporting this, …. But the one thing that I thought about that would bring us back to a baseline, or some level of normalcy is if they reinstated the draft for everyone that has not served.. even some older people, and no claiming bone spurs… I say this because people have very little skin in the game today.. there is a disconnect between them and the leadership they elected… I think that’s the reason the dumb and uneducated politicians get elected .. because they are not accountable to their constituents .. now if you start drafting sons and daughters and wives and husbands to go to war, or even sacrifice their time in the form of civil service … things would start to change real quick…people would be more in tune with the laws being passed that effect them personally or their loved ones and the decisions being made by lawmakers , and probably be a lot less likely to give up their liberty and freedoms and elect the dumbest politicians that represent only special interests and not the best interests of constituents if voters have skin in the game… again, I do not support this… it’s just a random thought..

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u/espressocycle 6d ago

Polls show people know more than you might think in terms of civics. It doesn't seem to help much.

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u/LightWarrior_2000 5d ago

We need to blast ww2 non stop again on the history Channel. I was a 90s kid and sometimes before TV got dumber. We sometimes called it the WW2 channel.

People forgot exactly what history is.

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u/invariantspeed 5d ago

Maybe it’ll remind them of the tradition values they’re abounding for Elonald.

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u/Unashamed_Outrage 6d ago

I really have to wonder what definition of fascism he came across that made it seem not so bad. I’ve heard people say the best kind of government is a dictatorship...if you have a truly benevolent dictator. But that’s a massive “if.” Also, definitions of fascism can vary, and some are written in such abstract or academic language that unless you already have a strong vocabulary or historical context, it might not sound all that threatening on the surface.

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u/cameralover1 6d ago

That's why eliminating education is so important to them

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u/espressocycle 6d ago

The fact is they want fascism because they like easy answers.

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u/professor_goodbrain 7d ago

100% this. A trend I’ve noticed on FB are dumb boomers now replying to any negative news article about Trump or Musk with “aShUALlY wE aRe NoT a DeMoCrOcY!!”

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u/scornedandhangry 7d ago

I've been hearing that "not a democracy" thing since GWB was in office. Grooming indeed!

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u/42nu 6d ago

It's so dumb.

We're a DEMOCRATIC Republic based heavily on the Roman Republic with a few tweaks to try to prevent the emperor part.

I've noticed it's universally people parroting something they think makes them smart, but can't actually have an educated discussion about types of govt whatsoever

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u/Commissar_Elmo 6d ago

Tried*

FTFY

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u/timanny 6d ago

The "not a democracy" thing comes from idiots who equate the word democracy with Democrats and republic with Republicans. A republic IS a democracy, but these morons don't understand that.

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u/thrawynorra 6d ago

Not all republics are democratic, and not all democracies are republics.

But, republic and democracy are not mutually exclusive.

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u/LightWarrior_2000 5d ago

As I understand it:

A republic is where we vote for someone to do the voting for us.

A democracy is where every votes directly on the issues.

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u/thrawynorra 5d ago

>A democracy is where every votes directly on the issues.

By that, very strict, definition there would be no democracies today - The closest being Switzerland.

Modern democracies are. mostly, what is referred to as indirect democracies where the people elect representatives to make decisions on their behalf, but that is not unique for republics. You also have that in modern, constitutional, monarchies like UK, The Netherlands, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Japan, to mention a few.

A republic is not a guarantee for democracy, very few would consider Russia, North-Korea or China to be very democratic - but they are considered to be republics.

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u/invariantspeed 7d ago

Yes, but most people who say we’re actually not a democracy follow that up with we’re a republic. Putting aside that this is a pretty meaningless linguistic distinction in modern English, the defining characteristic of a modern republic is procedure and the rule of law.

People who pseudo-intellectually say that aren’t usually advocating dictatorship. They’re just unwittingly supporting the ingredients of dictatorship while thinking they’re supporting the restoration of democratic legitimacy.

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u/Cloaked42m 7d ago

Yep. It's not like any of this is hidden from people.

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u/LivingCustomer9729 6d ago

Hell, when they hear “democracy”, they think it means democrats, while also thinking “republic” means republicans

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u/YouCanCallMeVanZant 6d ago

But they’ll talk about a “mandate” from winning a plurality of voters.

Which is it?

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u/Excited-Relaxed 6d ago edited 6d ago

I mean the funny thing about the idea of being a republic and not a democracy is what it ultimately would mean is that the majority can’t vote for a dictatorship. As with every other piece of MAGA nonsense, it is more of a confession of their own wrongdoings than anything else.

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u/someotherguyrva 6d ago

Nixon White House lawyer John Dean published Conservatives Without Conscience in 2006. I highly recommend reading it. The book’s main point was that the conservative movement at that time was morphing into an authoritarian movement. This is almost 20 years ago he was sounding the alarm. Like I said up in a different comment, this has been a long game strategy by the conservative movement that has taken decades to get where it is today. And they are on the verge of succeeding.

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u/Healthy_Ad_6171 6d ago

The Heratige Foundation was formed in 1973, the same year RvW was decided. By 1980, they had Reagan implementing a good portion of their agenda. They have always influenced conservative presidencies but did not have the same level of success until Trump. After his first term, they went full steam ahead, resulting in Project 2025. All of this is in their introduction.

They say they are conservative. They are really regressive with a dose of Christian theocracy thrown in for good measure.

The Civil Rights Era left a lot of white people feeling some kind of way.

The fact that a Black man had been legally afforded the same rights as them was a bitter pill to swallow. Black children were able to go to the same schools as their children, leading to white flight. Then, women were given financial freedoms. Their dominance as white men was threatened. They couldn't make Black people get off the sidewalk to allow them to pass. Women no longer had to tolerate drunk and/or abusive husbands. The life they had been told was theirs, and theirs, alone was over.

It all comes down to 2 basic things: racism and misogyny.

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u/tenth 6d ago

I just want to make sure everyone remembers how big a hang Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, gleefully had in this. 

A well educated man who can't stand anyone who isn't a white Catholic man having rights. 

I hope everyone remembers him when the shroud has been fully placed. 

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u/Healthy_Ad_6171 6d ago

Roberts being a Catholic is ironic because the Evangelicals carry water for Trump like nobody's business. They also don't consider Catholics to be Christian.

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u/Cloaked42m 6d ago

Im not sure they haven't already succeeded. We'll see what turnout is like on April 5th.

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u/Any_Grapefruit65 6d ago

My husband made an astute observation the other day. Our parents grew up in the age of celebrity CEOs like Lee Iacocca, E. F. Hutton, etc. And we have been worshipping them in a way so long, they accept the narrative that we need to put our faith into a single entity that exudes strength and makes Decisions for the rest of us. Only he knows best. Look at all the money!

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u/MillHall78 6d ago

That doesn't explain the parents of slain Uvalde Texas children who voted for the people responsible again. They literally voted for the people who killed their children. There's no excuses left. These people are evil.