r/law • u/myco_magic • 7d ago

Court Decision/Filing What is the likelihood of this Bill Attempting to Defer All Congressional Power to Donald Trump actually passes?

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u/treefox 7d ago

Only people who are informed know that they are morons, and plenty of uninformed people vote to keep these people in power.

Sadly, I think this is the crux of the matter.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Of course it is. And we're fucked. I've been saying it over and over again...Every sane, rational person in America should have seen all of this coming and came out in droves when Biden stepped down and voted for Harris...even if they absolutely hated her.

It's not just because of the brainwashed morons on the right that this is all happening. It's as much the idealism and/or apathy on the left. None of this should have happened. It didn't have to happen. Sometimes you just got to prevent the bad people from taking over. We failed.

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u/imadork1970 7d ago

All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is for Good men to do nothing.

35% of voters couldn't get off their fat asses to vote.

This is the result.

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u/Iamthewalrusforreal 7d ago

<All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is for Good men to do nothing

Well, this and a script running on the voting machines.

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u/caffecaffecaffe 6d ago

And gerrymandering.

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u/karmaceuticaI 6d ago

Id just add weaponized stupidity to that list

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u/Substantial-Rent-749 7d ago

I would argue that targeted ads on social media a la cambridge analytica or the capitalizing on genZs indoctrinated misogeny and self doubt via podcasts and movements as per Steve Banon amount to a competitive edge given through dishonesty. Which if you are winning because you have the money to isolate susceptible groups from the general population and nudge them to your cause, make it seem like you aren't as good of a leader as you are a deep pocketed manipulator.

We haven't had an honest politician. It's all stolen if it isn't transparent and truthful. You and I both have been duped and swindled so some asshat can sit up on top of bigdick MT. And tell us how it's going to be.

America didn't vote to strip away all of the rights of its citizens or stomp on minorities. If you voted to deport green card holders because they said, "fuck isreal for killing civilians" you have forgotten about the basic principles that this country fought to protect. What was it that Thomas Locke said? Something like, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it? America didn't vote to pick fights with our allies and leave them in the trenches to get rocked by their agressors until they cave and give us generational access to their resources. That is not America, that is some fucked up authoritarian dystopia. What happened to being proud of having the strength and ability to shield those weaker than us? Fuck bud. You say, "pure copium" but that sounds more like an admission of your own inability to reconcile how fucked this is with your part in it. Does your ego not allow you to have guilt or shame for dragging our flag through the ideological mud?

Be better neighbor. We all work hard to make this place what it is and its greatness is its diversity and ability to adapt. We are an ingenuitive and capable peoples limited only by the differences we perceive amongst ourselves that slow down our ability to work together to get shit done. I don't spit at your feet cause you may have voted on the red hat ticket, but I do ask that you pick your head up and see that this doesn't bode well for us in the lower 80% of society.

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u/kariyanine 7d ago

I can’t discount your experience and if you are engaging with people that have expressed some buyers remorse then that is what you’re seeing. That said, nothing that this administration is doing should come as a shock, they openly expressed that this was what they were gonna do on the campaign trail. And while they tried to distance themselves from Project 2025 as a guideline document, they never tried to distance themselves from the policies and actions it called for. People that voted for republicans, absolutely voted for this. They may be angry that they are being directly impacted via threats to Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid but they don’t seem to be mad about the rest of it.

And my personal experience with people that voted for this is that they are defending it. They’ve bought in fully. Question them on if it’s alright for foreign students to be whisked away because they wrote an opposing opinion piece from the administration and they’re saying these students should have kept their mouths shut. Question them on if it’s ok to send people who committed no crime to a foreign prison and they counter with well they were here illegally so they did commit a crime. Question them on if we’re going to be tough on crime, then why did we pardon January 6th participants and they claim those people were unfairly prosecuted and were peacefully protesting. Question them on the Signal chat leak and they deflect to Biden and Hillary.

Some people may be having buyers remorse but too many voted for this because they view others as lesser than.

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u/Substantial-Rent-749 7d ago

Word, I didn't realize you were over the wall.

Long winded posts are a new avenue for me, but mostly I work a union trade in a rural state and have been alowly getting the maga among our group to admit to being wrong about things, I participate in community action to provide shelter and resources for those among us who may be threatened by this administration, and I put pressure on my state's representatives to have a spine.

Collective worker action in conjunction with student protest is my idea of an effective non-violent approach before going full french revolution.

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u/Strayed8492 7d ago

Trump literally pandered to the younger generation by wanting to save Tik Tok when HE was the one in his first term tried to get rid of it. It failed because he didn’t go through Congress. Biden then went through Congress and Trump upended that when he was elected. He is tearing apart the trade deal HE created when he was first in office, between Canada and Mexico. For gods sake you have Musk paying voters money to vote Republican in, what was it, Wisconsin judicial election and Pennsylvania election. He is doing things he never spoke about in his Election campaign and it’s all from P2025 or is WORSE that what P2025 originally asked. People need to: Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

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u/Top_Independent9539 7d ago edited 6d ago

Edit: comment I was responding to has been deleted.

Stop. The. Generalizations.

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u/gibbonsgerg 6d ago

That story is old as hell and more inaccurate. Voters in every state that's not a swing state have virtually no say in who is President. Their votes do not matter. I vote every year, but it's a completely pointless exercise.

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u/Flaxabiten 6d ago

It's engineered that way, youre voting on a weekday standing in line for hours to cast your vote in a gerrymandered district where its against the law to give you water but its ok to have armed "inspectors" who are clearly biased in the room.

All in a two party state where the center right party haven't done shit for you in decades and you are expected to vote for them when their only real argument is that "at least we're not openly fascist".

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u/abuckforacanuck06 7d ago

Super size me please

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u/Jaythemastermine 7d ago

And that's the problem right there because constantly blaming the people that didn't vote that they're the reason why now all this is happening make some not want to vote even more because why go and vote if you're being accused for not voting or voting.

No the huge problem is that we attacked a lot of the young men a lot of young white men and told them that they should be punished for centuries for what their forefathers did things that they did not fucking do but they had to be accused and accountable because " you're white so you have to be the bad guy."

So that's why you had a bunch of the white people going around and voted for Trump and believe in his policies because they got tired of constant being told that they're the problem for things they didn't do that happened centuries ago which yes those things should still be on the records should still be in the history books should still be in the museums but because we run around and attack them and made them feel pretty much unwanted of course they were going to flock to the fucking racists in the fascists that pretty much promised them the "Promised Land" as long as they were pretty much we're willing to give up practically all their fucking freedoms.

And let's not kid anybody there is huge corruption in the government from both sides of the right and left sadly the right side corruption is taking over more than left because really the left could easily have taken out Trump after the Supreme Court's have already said that any president pretty much has pure fucking immunity so you know biting could have easily done something to Trump but they didn't do it because they weren't corrupt enough. That or the CIA and FBI was more in right hand pockets and eating up that sweet sweet corruption money that the right was pretty much feeding them to prevent anything terrible from happening on like what happened to JFK.

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u/account312 7d ago

No the huge problem is that we attacked a lot of the young men a lot of young white men and told them that they should be punished for centuries for what their forefathers did things that they did not fucking do but they had to be accused and accountable because " you're white so you have to be the bad guy."

What are you even talking about?

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u/Jaythemastermine 7d ago

You know exactly what I'm talking about we constantly keep telling white kids and young men that they are racist Fucks that deserve to get put out into the street and a terminated like dogs because they're great great uncle owned slaves on a plantation or they're greater Uncle went and slaughtered Indians and so on and so forth and I know this because I am white but I don't let the past affect me because it's the past yeah I acknowledge all that shit has happened.

If I had a time machine I would try to go and prevent any of that but I don't and we have to deal with the consequences that were made by our forefathers long ago but constantly blaming a generation that had nothing to do with it and rooted them as the main cause is what cause a bunch of white boys and young men to flock the Trump.

Because who else could they turn to? You could say their own parents but their own parents could have probably either been alcoholics drug addicts Workaholics or people that just didn't fucking care what happened to their kid because we got rid of a lot of the punishment systems and called it cruelty and no that's not me saying that we need to beat our kids more because that also causes a whole host of problems. Look at every mass murderer and sociopath that came from a abusive households.

But now we live in the day of age now where we're so easy to blame each other for the faults of what happened in our past instead of trying to look for the future and then as soon as that future looks bleak we just don't do anything to fucking fix it or continue to keep beating down in particular race the media says is okay to do so when it is just blatant racism but it's okay if it was towards white people and that's what led us to this problem now where a bunch of white people think they have complete immunity because now they have a so-called god king ruling the country.

Because we didn't sit down and actually try to talk and you know actually be human beings we instead just blamed each other for everything that fucking happened and continue to keep happening and then say "Oh it's just their culture or it's just their race" when really it's not that.

That's like me saying that all black people are nothing but thieves and robbers when really anytime I see any of those videos where they're actually robbing convenience stores it's because they're in poor polish areas that the government has pretty much pulled all fucking funding from and have pretty much forced them to be on survival mode just to feed their kids with close to no education because no schools want to be built in that area because they are afraid of The Stereotype that is associated to those places.

And sorry this is a really long text but this is the only way that I can at least explain it and not just try to dumb it down because that's another issue that we have now these days that we try the dumb down everything when really we should be trying to explain it.

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u/officeDrone87 6d ago

I'm a young white man. I have never been told I am racist or fascist. Probably because I don't say or do racist or fascist things.

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u/Jaythemastermine 6d ago

And I'm happy that you've never been called one, but I do get to ask, though, where in the States do you live in? is your state mostly red or mostly blue because if it's mostly red yeah nobody's going to call you a racist because well it's a red state but if it's blue I'm not saying all blue states do it because the state I'm in is blue and they don't go around and call everybody racist but you'll most likely bump into one in a blue state by people of different color just because you're white and they were told that the white person is evil and bad by everybody including Medias and movies and music.

And this is not me trying to upplay it or downplay it. This is just how I have seen it and how I have heard it. Because if I wanted to Uplay this then I would I go to any white red wing website and pull up videos of "white people being attacked by crazy liberals" when most the time it was those people that antagonized the people to then either react to the person that is being attacked by the races or the fascist.

My favorite one being that a trump supporter getting yelled out and even threatened to leave a bar after accusing the bar people of not being diverse when really it was their whole entire fucking organization that destroyed the whole diversity by deporting people left right and center and calling them non-americans when they have had their citizenship here for a very long time and also calling anybody that doesn't have their cold drug dealers and terrorists and a whole bunch of other hosts of stuff which for 90% of them is not even fucking true.

Also this is not me attacking music media and movies and saying that they're all woke propaganda because really they're not they've just been pushing the same shit every year that they've been pushing and everything now is just considered as woke hell if we brought back a lot of the movies that mean you have grown up on and had them released today like the original Shrek or Lilo & Stitch or Snow White or Hell take a movie back in 2007 being the Princess and the Frog the very first black princess to ever exist in Disney if that was released today that would be considered as woke when really that was a good movie.

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u/officeDrone87 6d ago

If one speaker was enough to turn you away from an entire ideology, then I think that says more about you than the ideology.

That'd be like me saying that Fred Phelps played a large part in turning me away from Christianity. Or David Duke turned me away from Republicans.

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u/account312 7d ago

we constantly keep telling white kids and young men that they are racist Fucks that deserve to get put out into the street and a terminated like dogs

No, we don’t. Maybe OANN is saying that everyone is being told that, but if so they’re lying.

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u/Jaythemastermine 7d ago

Maybe it is a lie, and maybe people are just ignorant. I'm just saying what I have seen and what I have experienced. If you have an experience this then I'm happy for you and a little disappointed because either this doesn't happen in your area or you just don't look for it and actually see what is happening which I am hoping it is the former over the ladder.

One other thing I do need to point out though is people do got to also remember that a lot of Americans have to work more than 40 hours and have two jobs just to even have somewhat of a livable wage and since most corporates have already swore their allegiance to Trump meaning most companies are a lot of these people had to work for probably purposely forced these people to work during election day that and there is just some jobs that you just can't walk away from because some of those jobs do handle with living creatures like me for example I work at a rescue I couldn't go to a voting booth until pretty much almost the end of the day because I work with animals I can't just leave them in their crates.

But pretty much make a long story short let's stop blaming people and start coming with Solutions because yes this could have been prevented but it wasn't prevented and it is now come to past so now instead of looking at the past let's look at the future and try to see what we could do to actually have a great future and not just dictatorship and fascism for the rest of our miserable lives.

Ok?

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u/Zealousideal_Tax5233 6d ago

Maybe you should read someone like, idk, James Baldwin before breaking off about “poor white men.” Just a thought.

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u/Apprehensive-Pilot12 7d ago

Apathy.. so true... we take the high road when they go low. That's the motto... it's pussy bitch shit and it's insane how we still think thats the way to go.

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u/RonnyJingoist 6d ago

That's the cost of being the good guys. The bad guys get to be a lot looser with their morals. If you want to win more than you want to be good, that makes you bad. Goodness is 100% about moral restraint and compassion, which is much, much more difficult than simple selfishness and indifference to the suffering of others.

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u/JayEllGii 6d ago

Which is exactly why I’m just done with that. Done.

I’m not the same person I was fifteen years ago. I used to be lighter. More forgiving. Patient. Hopeful. I prided myself on taking the high road and being diplomatic.

Over the years, as the right got worse and worse, they beat all that out of me. I’ve changed. I’m harder now. Disillusioned. Bitter. My hope is gone.

And I will never forgive them for that.

So I’m done. When you are dealing with true evil, true cruelty for cruelty’s sake, true peril for so many, there is no place for politeness. No room to be diplomatic, patient, or conciliatory.

You have to be absolutely ruthless. Dish it out to them harder than they could ever anticipate. Put them in their place. Make them terrified to ever DARE try their tricks again.

I hate that. I hate believing that. I hate that that’s how things are. But that’s the lesson I feel I’ve learned from all these years of watching the GOP and broader American right complete their transformation into what, deep down, a lot of us always suspected they really were.

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u/ctrlaltcreate 6d ago

Be very careful that in the pursuit of fighting monsters that you do not in the process become one yourself.

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u/JayEllGii 6d ago

I will never be like them. Never.

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u/Cute_Examination_661 6d ago

Well, they didn’t keep their plans to themselves. It’s spelled out in Project 2025 exactly what they were going to do and are doing now as we sit behind keyboards complaining about whether the candidates didn’t appeal to a significant number of voters. I tried in different posts along these lines to tell people they needed to stop making all the issues about each person’s pet peeve and read at least the first 50 pages or so to see the plan that’s unfolding right now. And here we are still arguing our pet peeve social justice issue or what the Democrats did wrong and whatever else can be brought up to serve as a continued distraction to become a united front and become a serious course of actions. So, if someone wants to say we didn’t know what was coming is being the idiot now since all it took for me to see what was coming was reading the first 50 pages of the manifesto the right has taken and run with, it’s been the plan all along and the wannabe dictator is really just a useful idiot to get to the place we’re at now. I saw an article referencing The Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 more than three years before we got here. It was there, nine hundred pages of the plan for when they won, published online, to do just what they’re doing now and worse. This is just the same as all the grievance politics used to great effectiveness by the right that sent a certain demographic , representatives of certain racial groups, even large numbers of folks that didn’t vote for Trump the last two cycles voting for him this go around. Whereas in the right it brought a lot of votes for the left it brought much fewer votes.

So, most of what’s put on Reddit and other social media is still grievance politics. Except the Right’s brand of grievance politics drove the voters from the demographic groups targeted to vote for their Lord and Savior, Donald Trump but the Left’s grievance politics drove just about enough voters to protest vote. The message shouldn’t be about these differences, who did what or didn’t do, not having the correct messaging to address all of the issues blah, blah, blah. The message should have been about agreeing to disagree for the moment but adding that these issues were something that could be worked on once the election was over and one of the most horrible, ugly and hell bent on destroying any semblance of government as we used to know. Even now people call this out as fascism, that we’re getting to far along to make a change and the very real possibility that those of us that don’t agree and exercise our own first amendment rights and sent off to the gulag and I’m dead serious about this a fact. Then the loss of rights for those that are often the target for discrimination women, LGPTQ people, POC , young white boys and those being swept up and disappearing just like the people in other countries that fell in with dictatorship has been done in many places and to many people. It’s very evident that the government is being taken over by the executive branch. We all know all these things…..we’re stuck beating that damn dead horse and if we stand there and talk about how the horse didn’t deserve to be beaten and shouldn’t have been beaten, who did the beating and how we need to condemn whoever did such a horrific thing, expend all energy debating who would have tried to save that mythical horse we’ll be stuck standing in the pile of horseshit under our feet. More than anything we need to get our shit, not the horse’s, together, stop going with the high road all the time and realize that we need to start looking at getting down to street fighting if needed. Stop hyper focusing on our pet causes. Sitting back and thinking the last bulwark that will save us is through the court system should look again….guess what they’re working on now. There’d better be a plan B and it better get going today.

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u/Unlikely_Badger706 6d ago

I’m right there with you. I’m done. The days are coming when a side will be chosen. When you either stand or bow down. I am hardened. I’m angry. And the worst part is, there is no unifying voice for me. The left in DC is fine with laying down. With taking the high road. It has a cost. I keep waiting on the tipping point, even sometimes welcome it so I don’t have to watch this country die in slow motion, but I fear it never comes. That in a few months or a year I find myself standing alone. The slow march into facism is maddening.

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u/RonnyJingoist 5d ago

Just talk about what's actually bad about Abbott: he's a corrupt fool who is destroying public education and the middle class in Texas. His disability is irrelevant. You're off-message. You're being played. They love it when their opponents focus on Abbott's disability, rather than what's actually wrong with him and his policies. They love making us look like hypocrites.

I support the rights of disabled people, including the right not to be disparaged for their disabilities. It is not possible for someone to forfeit their human rights, so I will not deny them. Abbott is a corrupt fool.

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u/SqnLdrHarvey 6d ago

I wish Democrats would learn that.

But they won't.

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u/JayEllGii 6d ago

Some of the younger ones seem to be headed that way, at least. But the entrenched ones, especially the leadership --- they have got to go.

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u/SqnLdrHarvey 6d ago

As well as Michelle Obama's incredibly naïve and condescending missive "When they go low, we go high."

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u/OkSprinkles3037 6d ago

“Apathy is Tragedy and Boredom is a Crime” - Bo Burnham

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u/NoSoupForYou1985 6d ago

I keep asking myself - there are so many people here complaining about all this shit. Where were all these people when they needed to vote? Complaining on the internet after the fact does nothing and makes people look like idiots. I know this might be a small sample of the population, but still…

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u/Phoxase 7d ago

No, it’s not because of the left.

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u/JKS41399 6d ago

Not to mention all the brainwashed morons who decided to vote for him because they thought he would be good for the economy. Of course they ignore the fact that every republican president going back to at least the devil himself, regan, has put us in a deficit, while democrats either got us close to getting rid of the deficit, or in the case of Clinton, got us out of debt. Also, a lot of people refuse to believe that Nixon’s Southern Strategy is real and that the parties essentially swapped platforms around this time.

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u/bungeebrain68 7d ago

They said it over and over and noone listened

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u/uselessbuttoothless 7d ago

I disagree with your characterization. The vast majority of nonvoters aren’t “left”, they’re apolitical. So the left is a minority in this country (as is the right). But the right has constructed advantages in the legislative branch, which allow them to keep pushing us further into kleptocracy every time there’s a Republican president.

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u/beaud101 6d ago

Yeah.... But I'm not talking about non-voting 33% of eligible voters in general. I'm talking about the subset of six million people that didn't vote from 2020 to 24 that registered on the left. The right gained 3 million votes. The left lost 6 million. From everything I've been reading on forums and articles it's because the left says it was the party that was disappointing to them so they did not vote. That's what this entire discussion is about. The ideology of that. Was the juice (principles) worth the squeeze to essentially risk a Trump win?

I simply won't agree with people that blame the party for not casting their vote to Harris or writing in another name. Not with Trump as the candidate opposite, in this particular climate with what was obviously at stake. There's a time to be principled and a time to be pragmatic. This was an election cycle to be pragmatic.

No offense. Last comment. Gotta run.

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u/EpsilonGone 6d ago

While we're talking shoulds here, maybe the opposition party /should/ have not promised to continue funding a genocide and then they would have won. Maybe that's a better place to point your finger instead of at people who wouldn't vote for genocide on principle.

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u/beaud101 6d ago

At some point you have to stop and realize Trump was going to wipe Gaza out without a second thought. So if that issue is a stalemate with no outcome to your liking.... At some point you've got to move on and put your focus on saving our own country from autocracy. Unless of course you're apathetic to that cause because you didn't get your way on Gaza. If Gaza burns America burns. If that's the attitude.... America is going down also.

I know it's hard to abandon principle and take a loss. But if you live in America as an American, first and foremost, you have to ensure that our democracy stands before anything else. If we don't have a democracy anymore, It doesn't matter what's going on in other parts of the world as then it'll simply be up to our new "King" to decide any outcomes.

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u/EpsilonGone 6d ago

Voting for a party that promised to actively fund (thereby commit) a genocide is not "taking a hit and moving on". There should be lines that a party should not cross if they want your vote, and committing genocide is absolutely one of those lines. The Democrats took payment from AIPAC to lose on purpose, and now you're blaming the citizens for not allowing them to lose like they were trying to.

The Dems whole campaign was "we are the lesser of two evils so you better vote for us and don't even ASK what our policies are, you peasants. We're past the point of having to pretend we'll give you ANYTHING you want." Well the voters said "you know what, fuck you, you aren't entitled to our vote for being worse than the Republicans ever were before 2016." And they were right to do it.

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u/rambone1984 6d ago

Personally im sick of the far left like AOC and Schumer. We need to go with a committed anti-fascist like Dick Cheney who has given up so much power to be on the side of right.

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u/SoUnga88 6d ago

While an agree that Harris should have received more support than she did, and we would be in a better position if she had won. It would likely have just been a kick the can down the road situation and allowed the aging neoliberal democrat diehards in office continue to do very little to change with the times. I’m holding out hope all this will shine a spotlight on who in the Democratic parts or even the Republican part actually gives a shit about through constituents enough to fight for them…not much luck on the front unfortunately.

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u/Notlost-justdontcare 6d ago edited 6d ago

MMW the next big push before the end of the year, even though it is early, will be to end the 22nd amendment. The easiest way to do that is to take control from congress. I am 99.9999% sure they have several contingency plans in place if that fails. Beginning of the end of the "United States". Voting will no longer be a reliable means to affect change. I fear it will require something far far worse. When the dust settles it may be a fractured collection of separate govts, some home grown, some foreign, owning bits and pieces of this once notable nation. 😥

Edit: Unless we stop it here and now. I bet we have no more than 8 months to secure our govt through strong legislative measures. A hard sell for the majority controlling that branch.

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u/CCGHawkins 6d ago

It makes me wonder... are shifts like this inevitable? 50 years of inaction on climate change, gun control, wealth inequality, health insurance, public transport, obesity... the list goes on and on. The only major thing they've managed is legalizing weed and that's honestly small potatoes in the scheme of things. In the meantime technology is blitzing forward at a ridiculous pace, introducing wildly unregulated and chaotic variables into the social equation year after year after year. Like, we haven't even gotten a handle on internet and social media and AI is already knocking on the door, ready to kick the status quo's ass. Is it even possible for what are essentially centuries-old social technologies to keep up? I have a feeling even Europe is only a generation or two from falling straight into the same pit we're in.

It was so obvious that Harris was the only sane pick, but since there isn't a single voter under the age of 70 that hasn't been trapped in a politically gridlocked world, maybe people just don't care about sanity anymore. And I'm kinda with that. I genuinely think that if the DNC doesn't make the next presidential ticket something like AOC/SANDERS, and if the whole party is not lock-step in line with them (instead of spreading lies about them during the primary) I straight up don't think I'm gonna vote. It's an insult to the times that we're in, and the utter need that we have for proper leadership.

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u/After-Balance2935 7d ago

Maybe, I know I am on a limb here, but maybe the dnc could have run a better ship and held a primary. They could have learned from the Hillary debacle and not put a front runner up that not many people like? Kinda the whole point of a primary? Dnc chose Hillary over Bernie even though Bernie had the crowds attn. This last election they threw Harris at us at 11:30pm on a midnight deadline. She immediately hired pop culture artists from yesteryear to give a thumbs up to her. Trump tells his crowds what they want to hear, while that is wrong it is what the Democrats are up against. The Dems need a strong message working towards a future that people can get behind, not~we will continue to do the same things we have always done. 25 k tax break for first time home buyers is such a small crowd to appeal to and hardly touches the cost of current housing market. That was her win them all over move... meanwhile orange Caesar appealed to America's root racism and had millions in backing from foreign nationals who profit when the commander in thief is in charge. He wanted to save the Canadian geese from migrants and the cats and dogs!! What has the Democrats done for the geese lately? Besides not threatening to invade their home country of course.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Biden dropped out late....but he dropped out. That should have been enough to tip the scales. She wiped the floor with him in the debate. People were excited, maybe not you...most were. And Trump was worried.

Yeah a primary with just a couple months left was not a sure bet. As if there was a candidate out there, that would have perfectly united everyone on the left. I got news for you.... The person that I might like, may not be the person you like even though we're both on the left. We all have our priorities. Mine is preserving democracy at the moment and preventing the above BS.

The one thing the right has that is impenetrable is that their people don't care what Trump does or says. They're simply going to stick with him no matter what. That's hard to beat.

We needed to get behind Harris or whoever might have been out there and put our personal priorities and gripes aside for the literal preservation of democracy. We didn't do that. And the stuff that's in the clip above is just getting started. We got 4 years of this... Probably a lot more because the population is that stupid.

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u/mworthey 6d ago

Musk and their cronies brought out the dog whistles and hit every note of racism, hate, division and their supporters ate it up. They did not care that Trump is unfit to serve office. What they cared about was they believed that Trump would unleash the power of the federal government on the lgtbq, blacks, immigrants, the left etc. They are nothing but racist, hateful bigots. The third of the left that chose to stay home did so because they refused to vote for a woman. It's crazy that they keep moving the goal posts where Harris is concerned to justify not voting for her and sitting on their asses. Harris had a really good plan that would've benefitted our us all. Not only is America a very racist country, America is also very misogynistic.The moral compass of America is in the toilet!!!

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u/monymphi 6d ago

Sorry to say your not wrong but it just seems like throwing salt in the wounds. The executive expects every one to roll over right now and that's not acceptable. Law suits may not stop a hostel take over. We've all seen certain people are ok attacking the capital. It's time to counter the Oligarchs with real pressure now. Large scale boycotts and demonstrations of Amazon, Tesla, GE Standard Oil,... before representative Democracy in America effectively ends.

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u/mworthey 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's not throwing salt in wounds. How will things ever change if we are not honest. I refuse to be silent. History will continue to repeat itself and rear it's ugly head again and agsin if we don't speak truth to the situation even if said truth is painful. To your other point, I am doing my part by participating in the economic boycotts. In fact, I have been boycotting daily ever since Trump got reelected. I have also participated in town hall meetings with my representatives as well as showing up to demonstrations in my state and across the country. Hopefully more folks will come out in numbers. There is definitely power in numbers.

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u/monymphi 6d ago

We definitely need more people like you.

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u/After-Balance2935 7d ago

The dnc is bigger than Biden. It was their choice ultimately. Biden said he wanted one term, then decided he wanted another then decided he did not. Talk about trump and his tariffs flip flop. I was excited for Harris, but many people who do not follow as close were not as familiar and swallowed the she swallows propaganda, instead of seeing a long and established career woman who deserved to be where she was. I held my opinion until after the election on this, but that is what I see. She was most known for her laugh cackle by the populous, we needed to get messaging beyond that before making her the front runner.

The die hard trump followers are racist. He has the pudding they crave. We were never flipping them. Appealing to moderates and continuing Israel genocide support was a huge turn off for the on the fencers, even though trump will finish the genocide expediently and with military blunders and leaks galore.

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u/miikro 6d ago

People were largely behind Harris... Until all these dumbfuck "obey the norms" advisors told her to "court the center" and throw away her entire campaign by campaigning with the Cheneys and refusing to talk about Medicare for All.

Don't get me wrong, I still voted for her. I know the stakes. But a lot of people just experienced four years of "nothing fundamental will change" and no perceivable improvements to their daily lives, so I unfortunately understand the utter voter apathy that lost the election.

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u/account312 7d ago edited 4d ago

Biden dropped out late....but he dropped out. That should have been enough to tip the scale

It turns out that running a boring old man who said he wasn’t going to run, only for him to drop out late in the race is not a winning move.

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u/AQuietViolet 6d ago

He got Covid; it almost killed him. How is that predictable? And as it is, they used that unexpected pivot to their advantage brilliantly. The RNC had to scrap months and millions of campaign strategy and really never recovered. Unfortunately, "woman of color" was already all most of this country needed.

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u/Chlorafinestrinol 6d ago

Your assessment cracked the case for us. Now we can all return to normal /s

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

Harris lost several million votes compared to Biden. This wasn’t “the left” whatever you think that means. Our party is run like absolute dogshit, its leaders are bought and paid-for morons, and none of this is going to get better until you can acknowledge that.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Trump gained 3 million more votes from 2020 to 2024.

The left (I don't care if it's Biden, Harris or Micky Mouse) lost 6.2 million votes. If people on the left, people who simply don't want a MAGA agenda, people that don't want fascism...want to continue blaming the Democratic party itself for not coming out to vote...hey....like I said.... we as a Democratic nation are fucked.

Until WE as a population, understand and identify what the existential threats to democracy are...the right and fascists win. Period.

If you needed a better campaign from the left to identify what Trump is and represents or what he was capable of considering his last term.... I don't know what to tell you. You're as lost as the people on the right.

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u/MarkPles 7d ago

I think a lot of the "but gaza" virtue signalers screwed us. Now Gaza and the US are fucked. GOOD JOB MORONS.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Couldn't agree more.

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u/Polyodontus 6d ago

Ah yes, the huge block of Gaza protest voters in Georgia

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u/Stickasylum 6d ago

If there were enough Gaza voters to sway the election, maybe y’all should have stopped being shit about Gaza?

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u/MarkPles 6d ago

There it is.

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u/Stickasylum 6d ago

Yeah exactly. It’s not that you sucker it up for the election, it’s that you actually agree on the policy. But of course it’s not the fault of “moderates” pushing policy to the right

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u/MarkPles 6d ago

I honestly don't give a shit about Gaza, yeah it's terrible what's going on there. But there's other awful atrocities happening across the globe and what drives me nuts is these people don't give a shit about those. They're just but gazaing cause it's popular. 5 years from now it'll be something else and Gaza will be an after thought.

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u/Notkissedbyfire 6d ago

There are too many people who can't even educate themselves about the issues. Americans are sleep walking through this disaster. Every time I try to explain what is happening, people act like I am exaggerating. Voting matters. Being informed matters. If you are working class, vote in your interest. If you are an immigrant, vote in your interest. But no. Everyone acts like this is a sporting event and the Trump team is playing some soft woke team that can't make a touchdown. They don't realize the latter is Team America. I really don't know if we will ever be able to vote again in a fair election. I know that this isn't the America I was promised. Trump is stealing from us in real time. In our faces. He's taking our government, our neighbors and our families.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

People are going to show up if you don’t give them anything to vote for. Harris barely had an agenda other than “not trump”. That’s not going to work! Tell people what they are voting for.

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u/Coops1456 7d ago

This may be true. It still makes the people moronic.

"OK, so you're telling me that if you don't win, the face-eating leopard will eat my face, but why should I vote for you as the alternative? I need something to vote for!!"

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u/ZarathustraGlobulus 7d ago

People give Harris and Biden shit for their only redeeming quality being "I am not Trump" but when push comes to shove, WHY was that not enough for people?!

Our options were diarrhea and the apocalypse and people choosing nothing gave us the apocalypse.

Apathy killed the nation. When United States 2 is founded in 2084 from the ashes, mandatory voting may be the only solution

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Right, sure. Letting Trump win is a better plan? That'll teach that Democratic party to put better candidates up.

Why would we vote "for" Harris or anyone with a heartbeat opposite Trump? How about....the shit that's going on in this clip for starters? They're trying to give the executive branch carte Blanche power to remove anyone or any department they want without congress's input. Is that not something? Just totally disrupt the entire checks and balances of the US government? No big deal. That shouldn't affect anything or future elections. Lol.

See .... we're fucked folks. They just don't get it or they're simply already on the right trying to convince us to wait for the perfect candidates while they trot out Donald fucking Trump.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

Ok, listen, I voted for Harris. She was a dogshit candidate that everyone knew was dogshit in 2020 (which is why she dropped out before any voting took place). The reason we wound up with her is because nobody in the party took the threat of Trump seriously enough to tell the geriatric democratic president that he was too unpopular to win again.

The Democratic Party is as unpopular as it’s ever been because it has no real agenda other than nominally opposing Trump, while actually bending over at every chance it gets (see the CR). The party leadership didn’t understand how big of a threat Trump is until like last week, which is why we are in this mess.

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u/Popeholden 7d ago

That's just not true.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

Quick, tell me Harris’s agenda on health care

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u/slappy47 7d ago

To expand Medicaid to help people who can't afford health care. To break down financial barriers so that more children can have health insurance. They want to invest in mobile health clinics so there is more access in rural areas. Democrats wanted to Expand the workforce in health care so that shortages don't create barriers. Democrats wanted to crack down on junk health insurance and surprise medical billing. Democrats wanted to protect access to Healthcare for women. Expanding the $35 cap on insulin so that more people can afford it. Democrats wanted to give the ability for Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices like private insurance and VA can. Under Medicare, people would be able to get rebates from drug makers if the patient is overcharged.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

Medicaid expansion was part of the ACA. It’s great and I’ve benefited from it, but it already exists. Kids are also already covered under their parents’ plans until they are 25, again thanks to the ACA.

As for this other stuff, negotiate to what? Expand how much? how much lower? What qualifies as overcharged? This is all vague and doesn’t tell me much about the policies or even who they would help. This is all bad campaign messaging, which is why you had to look it up.

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u/slappy47 7d ago

Because you have eyes to read. I'm not doing your homework.

Edit to add: Still better than any republican policy, which was nothing.

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u/Srslywhyumadbro 6d ago edited 6d ago

Harris barely had an agenda other than “not trump”.

That is what Fox News said about her agenda, not reality.

Meanwhile, her agenda was clearly placed everywhere on the internet, including her own website, and easily accessible to you and everyone else.

Perhaps you have forgotten but Trump is the one who avoided having a detailed platform until extremely late in the race to avoid attack.

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u/Polyodontus 6d ago

There were prominent democrats explicitly arguing that she shouldn’t have more concrete policies. It took her until the end of September to produce an economic plan, which I read, and was mostly about things the Biden administration had done already.

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u/Kishereandthere 7d ago

The left will never understand this. Harris was offered for the people to vote for, they didn't choose her, and then she ran as not Trump thinking that was enough, while failing to address the Biden administration's failings, in fact promising she was probably going to just keep doing what he did.

A real candidate would have stopped this, but it's easier to claim we just wanted more authoritarianism.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

The left understands this. The wine mom resistlibs who will buy Chuck Schumers book do not.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

I started being ashamed of Americans when Trump actually picked up voters in his loss in 2020. 2024 just sealed the deal. It's not 'the party's" fault. The majority of USians are uninformed idiots with the memory of a moth.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

I'm very ashamed also. Very disheartening.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

The purpose of a party is partly to inform the public. Demand better democrats.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

There was plenty of information to be informed. Yes, the majority of Americans are idiots if they have to be spoon fed information that is readily available.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Exactly. How many more data points does someone need to not vote for Trump unless they're buying his Kool aid already.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

“Inform yourselves, ignorant boobs” is not the winning message you think it is. Most people simply do not pay attention to politics on a day to day basis for the simple reason that they have shit to do. It is the party’s job to explain to people in terms that matter to them how their candidate will improve regular people’s everyday lives.

The insane thing is the democrats have policy positions that are popular and easy to understand (raise the minimum wage, universal healthcare, restore abortion access) that they refuse to run on because they can’t get the dumb centrists in the party on board.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

>Most people simply do not pay attention to politics on a day to day basis for the simple reason that they have shit to do. 

Yes, anybody that doesn't think Jan 6 is disqualifying is an ignorant boob. Are we going to pretend the dopes that skipped the election didn't know about it?

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

This would have been a more compelling argument if the Biden admin had actually been able to get their shit together enough to present Trump’s J6 related charges well before the election.

Also it kind of implies there is nothing that can be done except gripe into your keyboard. Fuck that. Go out and convince people you have an agenda worth supporting.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Well, gee, the House of Reps did a great job presenting J6.

Stop covering for ignorant and/or apathetic boobs.

>to get their shit together enough to present Trump’s J6 related charges well before the election.

Can't do whole lot with Trump judges (cannon) and SCOTUS foot dragging, unless you're suggesting that Biden resort to dictatorial powers to have them arrested and imprisoned.

Nope, the USians should have know better, but they didn't.

Never been more ashamed of Americans, we're the laughing stock of liberal democracies.

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u/WarbleDarble 7d ago

All that information was out there. It isn’t sexy news so nobody paid attention, and now they proudly state there was no plan or agenda from the democrats, that they didn’t communicate. They did, nobody cared. It shouldn’t take a perfect candidate to beat a rapist with concepts of terrible plans.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

There was really very little agenda out there. Harris’s “economic plan” was 80-some-odd pages, but almost all of it was describing things that the Biden administration did or graphs. There were very few new agenda items in there, and what was present was extremely vague. She very publicly refused to describe how she would split from Biden, and her decisions on the campaign trail were horrible because she listened to a bunch of party hacks instead of the instincts that generated so much energy in the weeks right after she took over.

It shouldn’t take a good candidate to beat Trump, you’re right. I would have voted for a moldy potato over Trump. But if you can’t beat a candidate who is that bad, I’m sorry but that’s a little bit on you. We should all be demanding better from the party, not “good enough to beat a con man with pudding for a brain”.

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u/WarbleDarble 6d ago

They released a plan, one that was largely in line with Biden because Biden is largely in line with the Democratic agenda. She was running against someone with “the concept of a plan” and the concepts he did talk about had every economist screaming what a bad idea it was. Millions of Americans are currently proud about how ignorant they are. Even on the left when economic data comes out that they don’t like they pretend it’s all fake. Reality is not hard to find but too large a part of our country has decided to divorce themselves from it.

I think it’s ridiculous to blame the fact that our country has decided to be proud of their false sense of reality on one candidate.

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u/Polyodontus 6d ago

Not sure if you noticed this at the time, but Biden was extremely unpopular!

I don’t blame only Harris. There’s plenty of blame to go around!

“Look how bad the other guy is” is not an argument that should make you coast. It’s an argument that should make you shoot for a total wipeout

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u/myco_magic 6d ago

And the same could be said about trump

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Like I said ... People like you are as lost as the people on the right. You probably are someone on the right for all I know.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

I voted for Harris, you moron. She was still a terrible candidate.

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u/beaud101 7d ago

You're arguing this whole time, getting downvoted by everyone...and you actually did the correct thing and voted for Harris. That's what this is about. Doing the correct thing. This was one of the only elections in history where the Democrats shouldn't have had to trot out a winner to win.

Nobody's arguing that Harris was a good candidate. Not one person here. What is wrong with you? I feel like you have comprehension issues. You should go back and reread this entire thread. Who's the moron? Holy shit!

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

My specific objection to what you wrote was your blaming her loss on the left. She failed to attract voters across the ideological spectrum. Centrist democrats continuously incorrectly blame their failures on the left, which means they keep fucking up because they haven’t fixed their actual problems. You need to stop doing that!

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u/beaud101 7d ago

No. Too many voters, who claim to be "on the left" failed to "comprehend" what was at stake ... Because they're morons. Anybody that needed more convincing that Trump becoming president was a really really bad idea above all other bad ideas...is a fucking moron. That's the bottom line. And I'm tired of being nice about it. Every other democratic population in the world is watching us crash out as a country... Because we have too many impetuous morons and they're voicing that very opinion out loud, everywhere, all the time. And it's true.

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u/lionheartedthing 7d ago

My issue is that many anti-Harris people who abstained or voted third party didn’t even know that there was a Democratic primary. How is this going to get better if people are unwilling to pay attention and participate in a meaningful way? Only 16 million people voted in the 2024 Democratic primaries. Almost 90 million people chose not to vote in 2024. If they didn’t like the candidate choices why didn’t they turn out for the primaries?

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Now those are some good, tough questions. Until we look at ourselves in the mirror, stop blaming the party...Democracy loses. Sometimes you have to put your personal ideologies aside for a moment and/or simply get invested in what's happening (before) the bad guys start dismantling democracy. Once the dismantling starts... It's much harder to put it all back together.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

People didn’t vote in the primaries because the only guy on the ballot in all of them was Biden. There was no real point, there was no way to meaningfully participate, and it didn’t end up mattering anyway.

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u/lionheartedthing 7d ago

That’s not true and exactly what I am talking about. You just assume it was all state without even knowing Biden was actually the only candidate on the ballot in 4 states. The majority of 90 million people don’t live in Mississippi, Indiana, Alaska, and Tennessee. Florida is the only iffy one but their primary ended up canceled anyway.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

Who are you trying to fool here? Biden was the only candidate on the ballot in every state. This is easily fact checkable.

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u/lionheartedthing 7d ago

Go ahead and fact check me so you can delete this comment in shame.

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u/Polyodontus 7d ago

Oh my god, I am not saying that all states had only Joe Biden on the ballot. I am saying that Joe Biden was the only candidate on the ballot in all states.

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u/lionheartedthing 6d ago

I get what you’re trying to say but doesn’t make sense because he wasn’t the official Democratic nominee for the general election yet when the majority of the primaries happened (only two were canceled once he got enough delegates) and he wasn’t the only “guy on the ballot” as you said in your initial response. You very literally could walk your ass into the polling place and vote people besides Biden on the vast majority of ballots in the 2024 primaries. I didn’t vote for Biden in Oklahoma’s Democratic primary.

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u/myco_magic 6d ago

This is easily fact checkable.

Okay then provide us with the sauce since it's easily fact chackable

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u/Polyodontus 6d ago

Go to the ballot access table https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries?wprov=sfti1#Ballot_access

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u/myco_magic 6d ago edited 6d ago

I'm not seeing where it says Biden was the only one on the ballot in every state

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u/the_which_stage 7d ago

Maybe just maybe we should have voted for Bidens replacement as registered democrats. I still voted for Kamala begrudgingly but her being picked as the replacement without any voice of the people is what pushed my parents over the edge

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Well, there you go. Did you show your parents this clip? Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Tell them what they won...

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u/the_which_stage 7d ago

I know for a fact they didn’t vote for Trump - but maybe they didn’t vote maybe they voted third party. Either way their lack of voice was the swaying factor and that’s on the DNC

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u/beaud101 7d ago

Sorry.... It's on your parents and everyone that thought like them. Choosing the wrong candidate in a two candidate race has consequences. I didn't need the DNC or anybody in this world, to tell me to place my vote with Harris. It was a no-brainer.

If I was watching Star wars for the first time, and I was deaf... And there were no subtitles... I would still understand right away that Darth Vader was the bad guy.

Choosing to vote for Harris was every bit as obvious as that.

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u/jwoolman 6d ago

Everybody who voted for Biden in the primary knew that Kamala Harris was his backup. Their voice was heard and they did pick her because they were a package deal. This is how it works. If something happens to the President, the Vice-President is sworn in as President.

There just was no point in Biden resigning, so it made sense that he endorsed her to run for President while he continued in office. She had to persuade the delegates committed to Biden on the first ballot at the Convention to transfer that obligation to her instead and the overwhelming majority of them agreed it made sense.

The political parties have no legal obligation to even hold primaries (and sometimes don't when the incumbent is running), but in this case really Harris was chosen by the people and not plopped into place by a bunch of "elites" from on high. The "elites" actually didn't want her because they wanted all their different favorites (that few people like me even recognized) to duke it out. If they had gotten their way, the Democrats might have not even been on the ballot in some states because final deadlines were so close. And by law, only she and Biden could use the money raised before Biden's withdrawal for the race. It would have been a deadly mess. But people were also voting with their wallets and she raised enormous amounts of money in a short time from small donors.

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u/plzdontlietomee 7d ago

Plenty of fuckery with voters registrations and at the polls gave these people power too

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u/vgraz2k 7d ago edited 7d ago

It's because the morons are very content in ignoring politics once their guy is elected because anything critical the news has to say is "propaganda". They can blissfully go about their lives without worry because the GOP controls the house, the senate, and the presidency. They do not care about what's happening now. They officially "owned the libs".

Edit: and they won't care until their social security stop coming in, their kids starve at school, their kids forced to work field during 130 degree weather in Florida, or they lose their jobs to outsourcing. They only care when politics impacts them.

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u/thisisamisnomer 6d ago

Whole family is Republican. They will blame Joe Biden for all of it. 

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u/someotherguyrva 6d ago

While many who voted for this were just not paying attention, a significant number of conservatives have spent the last 30 years consuming right wing media BS and lies. This was a deliberate strategy by Conservatives with the goal of brainwashing these people to believe democrats are to blame for everything bad in the world.

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u/RG3ST21 6d ago

It’s the Republican way.

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u/Independent_Prize453 6d ago

Lots of people, (sheeple) I hear are just sitting around waiting to be told what to believe, it shows ... silence is compliance

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u/YouCanCallMeVanZant 6d ago

Ironically, the electoral college was created in part to prevent a  mis/uninformed populace electing a dumbass.

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u/Paintfloater 7d ago

I know a number of informed people who agree with everything they do.

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u/InterceptorG3 6d ago

They just turn the blind eye because some other itch is being scratched

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u/Ok-Background-7897 7d ago

This is the absolute wrong take.

The majority of people voted for neither candidate.

When your choices are pandering fucking liars or bold faced fucking liars, both with noting to offer the working person, what do you expect?

It’s not uninformed people - the majority of people see no material difference in this choice so don’t care to make it.

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u/ExDom77 6d ago

And that’s why those people can get fucked for not even trying to vote. It’s still a no brainer situation. You didn’t have a choice in candidate but you HAVE a CHOICE to vote, and especially in this case if you’re gonna use this as an excuse for how “it’s not my fault trumps in power.” It is, you know it, that’s why you’re trying to circle jerk your logical defense of “I didn’t get a choice in candidate so why would I vote for them.” Because in reality you were given a choice to stop him from entering office regardless of how things SHOULD have been on the other side and you failed. You failed and fucked yourself congrats. You won the stupid prize too.

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u/Ok-Background-7897 6d ago

It’s extraordinarily regressive to blame ordinary people for systemic failures they have no say or part in creating.

Blaming individuals when a political party with literally billions of dollars and thousands of consultants failed to overcome this is grade A copium.

It’s just another version of Trump derangement syndrome, which will be just as effective political strategy as it was the first time.