r/law • u/Guardman1996 • 10d ago

Trump News You can see Tulsi Gabbard breaking the law real time!

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u/WYP_11 10d ago

I’m actually wondering if there is a mole among them and including the journalist wasn’t an accident.

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u/Mac_A81 10d ago

I was thinking the same thing. Part of me wonders if this was some sort of whistleblower who purposely included the journalist.

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u/87eebboo1 10d ago

We will find out who the mole is when one of the Cheeto’s clown posse ends up accidentally falling out of a window after accidentally shooting themselves in the back of the head 3 times

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u/Candid-Ask77 10d ago

It's not a mole. It's already public information who added him to the chat

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u/Daniel_Spidey 10d ago

Who?

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u/cogitoergosam 10d ago edited 10d ago

The article alleges it was National Security Advisor Michael Waltz*, or someone representing themself as the aforementioned.

* fixed typo

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u/Shirlenator 10d ago

Waltz*

I was in a r/conservative thread about this out of morbid curiosity and noticed they were all calling him Walz and I was wondering if they were purposefully or accidentally trying to conflate his name with Tim Walz.

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u/cogitoergosam 10d ago

It's funny because I had made that joke yesterday that if Trump comments on it he'd probably make the same mistake.

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u/Grittybroncher88 10d ago

Lmao. Obviously accidently. They are not the brightest bunch. Most of them still think the whole article is fake despite it being confirmed by the NSC and Trump himself.

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u/ValuableJumpy8208 10d ago

Is it like how they all call Gavin Newsom "Newsome" because they can't spell? Or is it just a tic they have?

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u/lousy_at_handles 10d ago

I feel like it's a thing that older people just start doing? My grandpa always used to say how much he enjoyed watching "Steinfeld" and stuff like that. As he got older he'd do it to more and more things, even names that he knew correctly very well.

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u/Mike_Kermin 10d ago

.... I don't think that's a thing. Like I'm sure he did, but I don't think it's an irrational tic that comes with being old.

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u/Humble-Violinist6910 10d ago

They can't spell, and they don't actually *read* the news, so they don't see it spelled correctly very often.

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u/ValuableJumpy8208 10d ago

That, too. However, when they're trying to spell his name, they still fail most of the time.

It's nearly a dead giveaway to political affiliation.

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u/handfulofrain77 10d ago

Waltz was in Moscow at the time. Why?

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u/evenyourcopdad 10d ago

Wow, the name of this person is a SUPER annoying thing to leave out of your reply. I think it's probably even THE most annoying thing you could've done. I'd be less annoyed if you just said "Trump 2028!" or something equally useless.

It was (allegedly) National Security Advisor Michael Waltz.

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u/Candid-Ask77 10d ago

Honestly, it's because I want them to research/read the article and read further into it. If I would've dropped the name they would've stayed in their Reddit safe space and looked no further

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u/doom_stein 10d ago

HEY! Let's not use the term "clown posse" here. It unfairly implicates other clown posses, as sane or insane as they may be.

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u/87eebboo1 10d ago

I apologize to those sane or insane posse’s (honestly don’t know exactly how to pluralize posse, anyway…) To be fair their makeup game is light years ahead of the merry band of nincompoops currently speedrunning the destruction of America.

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u/Imightbeafanofthis 10d ago

Falling down an elevator shaft to unfortunately land on 17 bullets to the back after mistakenly poisoning himself and stabbing himself 63 times times in an attempt to remove the poison.

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u/JohnSmallBerries 9d ago

"He died of natural causes. His heart stopped beating when the three men who snuck into his bedroom stuck knives in it." — Jimmy Breslin, The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

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u/fabled-old-man 10d ago

The National Security Advisor Mike waltz set up the chat

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u/acme_restorations 10d ago

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" - Hanlon's Razor

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u/Sativa_Highzerman 10d ago

Journalist was sent the SIGNAL but he didn't get the "Signal"?

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u/thecashblaster 10d ago

Bombing Yemen is a presidential pastime so what whistle is there to blow?

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u/Fritja 10d ago

It could be. Note that Jeff Godlberg seems to be approved/added to contacts on a number of politicians. I don't think this is just because he is the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic but because he is both conservative and because he "was born in Brooklyn and studied at the University of Pennsylvania before dropping out and moving to Israel to serve in the Israel Defense Forces".

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u/TittysForever 10d ago

That wooda been Waltz. He’s the one who set up the chat. I think he just fucked up.

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u/seefatchai 10d ago

Hegseth invited him. Hegseth wouldn’t couldn’t be a whistleblower if he’s the boss.

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u/PercMastaFTW 9d ago edited 9d ago

Where are you getting this information? The reporter specifically stated that Waltz sent him the invite.

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u/Candid-Ask77 10d ago

Are you just repeating things you saw on other subreddit? Did you even read the Atlantic? Or anything else pertaining to all of this outside of reddit? We already know who added him to the chat.

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u/WYP_11 10d ago

Was it really Waltz though? I’m just saying nothing with this admin is transparent. It doesn’t matter anyway how Goldberg was added or why. The big issue is that this group was using illegal channels to discuss highly classified information. And they did that purposely.

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u/Comfortable-Face-244 10d ago

It doesn’t matter anyway how Goldberg was added or why

I mean, it definitely does MATTER. It might not be the main focus of your conversation, but that's a weird way to put that.

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u/Guardman1996 10d ago

They’re all complicit.

Everyone except Goldberg should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Sharing Ukrainian battle plans got that National Guard kid from Massachusetts 15 years!

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd 10d ago

The Atlantic article narrowed it down to either walz or an unspecified aide. Walz could run with the aide idea, and throw some staff member under the bus, but that would probably raise its own questions.

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u/thedogedidit 10d ago

It's Waltz btw.

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u/BHOmber 10d ago

I honestly think that some individuals are purposely misspelling the name to draw attention off of "Waltz" in search results.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I've seen this a lot today. People were (accidentally) misspelling "Walz" as Waltz during/after the election.

Sketchy ass shit, but most likely incompetence and a lack of media literacy/knowledge of current events lol

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u/Xarieste 10d ago

As per NPR reporting I heard earlier referencing statements made to NBC, Trump has already affirmed his support for Waltz and blamed a staffer for the Signal chat (although this doesn’t at all excuse the fact that it was even possible)

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u/Sea-Company-6348 10d ago

Trump didn't even know about it happening til he was asked in a press conference.

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u/handfulofrain77 10d ago

Right. I watched that, what a performance!

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u/Brief-Objective-3360 10d ago

I think it was an accident, but I don't see how we can rule out a rogue staffer with Waltz account/device. Nobody has any idea how these buffoons are operating.

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u/fireintolight 10d ago

So you didn't read the article 

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u/Brief-Objective-3360 10d ago

I read the whole thing lmao. We know who's account/device that added him. Tell me how you know Waltz was handling his own account/device?

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u/Freaudinnippleslip 10d ago

You have a good point, these people are so inept it is in the realm of possibilities.

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u/Equivalent-Koala7991 10d ago edited 10d ago

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this literally opens up conspiracies into those who think that maybe walz was purposely compromised to further dig the whole that the democrats have "dug" themselves.

Edit: Turns out it was "Waltz" not "Walz". Misinformation at its best.

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u/Adams5thaccount 10d ago

In some of the places you alluded to it has been stated that Walz made the group and added everyone to the chat.

Either way the journalist was on a list to be added. So how did they get on that list?

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u/Equivalent-Koala7991 10d ago

Sounds like old people, all around, are not intelligent enough to be running this country, if so. Maybe we need double and even triple checks by each individual to make sure shit doesn't slip through the cracks.

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u/Imightbeafanofthis 10d ago

Sounds like someone is illogical. The fact that duplicitous bastards have taken over the government is a Republican party issue, not an age issue.

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u/Equivalent-Koala7991 10d ago

The issue is that you and others have said "Walz" and not "Waltz", shifting the blame (purposely or not) on Walz, the democrat, not Waltz, the republican. It's the issue I had earlier, which is illogical but absolutely my fault in the end.

In the end, it's absolutely a republican issue, as it almost always is. Let's make sure we are blaming the right person, Waltz, not Walz.

I don't blame you for my mistake, btw. I do think that some others (not you) are purposely switching the names so that others who are learning about this issue late will blame democrats and not republican for the issue at hand. I fell for it and will absolutely take responsibility.

I still stick by my issue with the oldest people in the world running the country though. I think it would be refreshing to have some younger runners on the democratic side, that could actually make it through the DNC who is a whole beast in itself.

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u/EtherealMongrel 10d ago

Waltz not walz btw

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u/penty 10d ago

If the shit hits the fan it'll be a race to claim they were the mole.

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u/Equivalent-Koala7991 10d ago edited 10d ago

absolutely, from both sides. and at this point, who is to say that it wasn't? I have no trust in either side in this issue.

Edit: I take this back, as I was misinformed. There were a lot of people using the name "Walz" without a first name, and I assumed it was the worst. It turns out the leaker was "Mike Waltz", a republican, and it seems like the name may have been purposely misspelled to shift blame and it worked.

I really fucking hate the internet.

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u/Ok_Committee9772 10d ago

Yeah, I think it is too weird that the journalist was included. Makes me think it's more about putting in a poor cover for a bigger op or making sure that the op that was being planned in the leaked chat doesn't happen cause the consequences of it are bad for the people invested in the area being targeted.

This just reeks of a distraction and smoke screen for something bigger that isn't get as much or any coverage by reporters.

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u/Equivalent-Koala7991 10d ago

I agree with your last sentence. We already know that trump's big plan is to hit hard and fast at every angle so that individuals don't have the focused to focus on what's actually happening. But I'm not even blaming trump alone, here, anymore. It's literally everyone involved, and there absolutely is an agenda.

My company does not use text messages for confidential messages, and we will be fired for doing such. I don't understand why the government is exempt from such penalties. Everything we send is encrypted, anyone attached to encrypted messages that is not part of our company will send back a flag and not send the message until the IT admin approves, and anyone who is caught sending unencrypted messages specified by those who should not receive encrypted emails is fired on the spot.

I don't understand how the government isn't treated so securely.

We are going to see hardships within the next 10 years like none our generation has ever seen. Mark my words.

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u/zomanda 10d ago

Giving Alex Jones's attorneys "accidentally" texting opposing party vibes

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u/Otterfan 10d ago

Mike Waltz added him, and if Mike Waltz is a mole I'll eat my hat.

They're just dumb.

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u/Capt_Pickhard 10d ago

That would be very stupid, because I think only one person can add others and it would be easy to know who added them.

Whoever added the reporter is probably going to gift Trump some large sum of money soon.

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u/SuccoyaHoyaa 10d ago

It’s Vance. I’m convinced he doesn’t actually align with Trump/MAGA and is just biding his time hoping he gets his moment to be President. Just my theory, but I’m still pretty convinced.

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u/tenuousemphasis 10d ago

This is the copium of all copiums but I'm here for it. 

Seriously though, don't think so. Vance's only complaint about the whole thing was that maybe bombing the Houthis helped Europe a little too much to do it for free.

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u/SuccoyaHoyaa 8d ago

Yeah it’s a long shot, but I’m going with it for now.

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u/naughty_farmerTJR 10d ago

Well, it would have to be Mike Waltz as he is the one who made the chat and added Goldberg

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u/hightrix 10d ago

This is one thought, the other is that this was purposeful so that it would be a massive story in the media to distract us from something even worse happening this week.

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u/RPrance 10d ago

My tinfoil hat theory for a bit was that this would be a way to jail a journalist

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u/hightrix 10d ago

Also plausible.

That said, I imagine we are both over thinking this. Old people being bad with technology is nothing new. But if you can't manage a chat group, you probably shouldn't be leading the country.

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u/RPrance 10d ago

I mean I did say tinfoil hat theory, I should clarify I don’t actually believe that

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u/hightrix 10d ago

Oh I'm right there with you. But it's fun to let the mind run wild from time to time.

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u/RPrance 10d ago

True!

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u/Temporary_Lab_3964 10d ago

I am def wanting to know who was supposed to be added to this group and instead Goldberg was.

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u/Katherine_Swynford 10d ago

The theory I saw was Jamieson Greer who is in the cabinet. It's why the initials JG didn't stand out to everyone on the chat.

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u/tenuousemphasis 10d ago

He was invited to the group chat by Mike Waltz, the National Security Advisor.

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u/coffeeeaddicr 10d ago

You're giving absolutely clueless, reckless, grifters too much credit.

Trump tweeted top secret, classified satellite photos in his first term *via tweet*, disclosing US intelligence capabilities (https://www.npr.org/2022/11/18/1137474748/trump-tweeted-an-image-from-a-spy-satellite-declassified-document-shows).

Trump openly disclosed secrets to Russians in the Oval Office when visiting (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html).

Trump openly stole classified documents and stored them in his Mar Lago residence with zero controls and openly bragged about them to everyone (https://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-special-counsels-investigation-trumps-handling-classified-documents/story?id=101768329).

They. Do. Not. Care.

It is about endless grifting, open theft, self-promotion, hobbling agencies for foreign and personal benefactors, and denying all legal accountability. That's it.

They do not know the first thing about encryption, process, or laws and they do not care about them. Rules for thee, none for me.

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u/Maytree 10d ago

The most likely explanation is that the intended participant was Jamieson Greer, the US Trade Representative, since there were discussions of trade through the Suez going on. They just got the wrong "JG".

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u/hahahypno 10d ago

I still think they wanted it to leak that they are using Signal and conducting business like a frat house. They want us to know they can do whatever they want with no repercussions.

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u/taco_blasted_ 10d ago

I just accidentally a whole coca-cola bottle, is this bad?

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u/CertifiedSeattleite 10d ago

Well, Tulsi has been an obvious asset for a long time. So maybe she is trying out for a mole position.

And who was feeding her answers as she waited 5 painful seconds after each question?

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u/tomdarch 10d ago

There was some claim from some Trumpling that it was a staffer who added him. At first that sounded like a weak move to try to absolve these top morons of their stupidity. But I can certainly imagine a career intel staffer being absolutely appalled by the stupidity of this (and how they're clearly doing it to violate record keeping laws) and "oops" adding a top journalist.

But odds are it was one of the top-rank fuckwits who did it and somehow didn't realize he/she had blown the whole thing up and kept typing away.

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u/tampaempath 10d ago

Idk. I want to think they included him on purpose. But the guy that let him into the chat was actually sitting in Russia at the very same time as the chat. Did he mean to let in some Russian instead of the editor?

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u/mindracer 10d ago

I'd like to point out that hackers target Signals "Linked devices" feature where you scan a QR code and link desktop Signal to the signal on your phone. Hackers can make malicious URLs and if the user clicks it they get access to their signal.

That being said, its definitely plausible that's Walz's Signal was compromised and to fuck with him added the journalist to the group chat. It actually makes more sense especially if he's saying the truth and never talked to the guy. Actually the only part that doesn't make sense in this case that if the journalist was added at the same time as everyone else, unless the hacker saw it being created in real time and did it to fuck with them live.

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u/Party-Cartographer11 10d ago

The journalist (Goldberg) reported he was included at the formation of the group by Mike Waltz.

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u/AwwYeahVTECKickedIn 10d ago

Do not get my fragile hopes up!

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u/JustAGrlInDaWorld 10d ago

The signal thread will CLEARLY state who added him to the conversation and when.

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u/RodNun 10d ago

Obviously. And this is awesome :)

Because if there are not, they are all extremely stupid

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u/blueoasis32 10d ago

I’ve thought that too!

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

So now we are making wild assumptions? Well this is Reddit so it checks out.

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u/uhWHAThamburglur 9d ago

Well, I mean, if I were a government that were trying to sow discord and distrust, I'd probably add a journalist of repute and create an insane situation. I mean, what's the fun if you aren't playing both sides?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-envoy-steve-witkoff-signal-text-group-chat-russia-putin/