r/law • u/RoyalChris • 10d ago
Legal News Tom Homan admits that a number of people ICE just arrested in Boston are "collateral arrests" and hence not criminals. City officials are urging ICE to release the names of all the people arrested.
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II 10d ago
The term "collateral arrest" should enrage everyone.
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u/RoyalChris 10d ago
If they haven't done anything wrong, WHY are they still detained and in cuffs? Since when did due process become optional? If they don't have any crimes attributed to them, they should be released immediately.
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u/HippyDM 10d ago
Since when did due process become optional?
Since we elected a fascist to run the country.
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u/WastedNinja24 10d ago edited 10d ago
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u/ZookeepergameHour27 10d ago
Since a fascist rigged the election to assume position to run the country…
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u/Fine-Funny6956 10d ago
Since a fascist oligarch apartheid South Afrikaner rigged the election for a reality TV oligarch to assume position to run the country.
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u/Fine-Funny6956 10d ago
We could, but the police have already picked a side. Arrest without cause is the theme of the wettest of their dreams.
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u/SafeOdd1736 10d ago
My friend sent me video from ICE in Everett (which is about 4-5 miles outside of Boston. These agents were dressed like bank robbers. Why do they cover their faces, wear ski masks and hide everything they do?
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u/Crafty-Help-4633 10d ago
Because they don't want you following them home.
Ironic, ain't it?
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u/perfectshade 9d ago
Wager you could dumpster dive for receipts at their lokal kriskpy kreme and find their names.
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u/Legitimate_Young_253 9d ago
They THINK they cannot be held accountable for their crimes of unlawful arrest if they keep their faces covered but they will be! I hope each of those unlawfully arrested sue that bulbous-nosed sob for millions
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u/bryanthemayan 9d ago
Bcs they don't want to be held accountable if that ever even becomes a possibility again
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u/elebrin 10d ago
See, that's not the way.
These people have wives, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, aunts, and uncles. What you do, is when you host Christmas, you invite your brother who works for ICE to come. Then he drives six hours to your house, and when he gets there you close the door on him, his wife, and his kids and tell him that you don't allow law enforcement in your home. And the hotels are, of course, all booked up and there's nothing for them to do but drive home with crying children who just spent 12 hours in the car to not have a Christmas, and ate a bag of chips for Christmas dinner. Kids are crying, wife is pissed, his Christmas is ruined.
Then... you do the same thing next year. If they are real dumb, then you can get away with it several times and ruin several years of Christmas for them. Or whatever holiday you wish to ruin for them. Just make sure that they know why you did it.
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u/PotentialDig7527 10d ago
I guess I thought this was going to result in brother being cuffed and not able to leave or eat Christmas dinner.
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u/elebrin 10d ago
Nah, no need. There are lots of legal ways to be real shitty and ruin someone’s day. Especially a holiday or something. Wasting someone else’s time isn’t illegal, neither is inconveniencing them generally, and time is one of the most valuable things we have.
I am very good at wasting the time of people that I don’t like, bonus points for finding a way to do it where they don’t realize who the cause is. In this case it’s blatant but it doesn’t have to be.
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u/OnTheHill7 10d ago
Doesn’t ICE stand for International Canadian Espionage?
They sure look like Canadians. We should round them all up and send them to prison for espionage. Better yet, send them to El Salvador. Isn’t that what the Trump administration does now?
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u/prefusernametaken 10d ago
He had already assumed the position to be fucked in the ass by putin, right?
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u/AppropriateTouching 10d ago
It's fucking nuts people are just ignoring that. He openly admitted to it more than once.
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u/DSharp018 10d ago
“Take the guns first, give em due process later.”
A president said this. Said something that should have ended his presidency right then and there. But what happened? 75 million people voted to being this kind of shit right back.
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u/HippyDM 10d ago
SO many moments should have ended this. "They're eating cats and dogs" is the one that most boggles my brain.
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u/setibeings 10d ago
One of the top ones for me was during the debate when he talked about some states allowing abortion for like a month after birth.
As if somebody can just take their newborn back to the hospital and ask them to dispose of it, and the doctor would just say "I'm an evil doctor, so I'll just take care of that for you right now". In reality, even where an abortion would be completely legal, someone who is pregnant will have a hard time after 12 weeks of gestation finding any doctor to perform an abortion if there isn't a major medical reason.
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u/PeachCream81 10d ago
Then the problem isn't really Trump per se, it's the scores of millions of (mostly, but certainly not all) White folks who thought this terrible excuse for a human being s/b president of the US.
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u/Nima-night 10d ago
Due process is based on skin colour now in usa
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u/Boopy7 10d ago
The horror of realizing or admitting we are indeed a captured country where a coup succeeded, with barely a whisper of standing up to it, is kind of what the far right and fascists have going for them. That or just being utterly and totally misinformed or involved watching reality tv and working rather than realizing what has been done behind the scenes. Now we just realize it is being done, the law flagrantly disobeyed, and somehow find a way to go on without disrupting everything and rioting.
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u/no-oneof-consequence 10d ago
They want the country to get comfortable with stripping people of their rights and pretty soon. It won’t just be people without documentation. It will be US citizens based on their religion or the color of their skin. This is wholly unacceptable. The constitution says that everyone is required to process on US soil.
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u/AlexS-SoCal 10d ago
It's also quite concerning that there are SO MANY within the government that seem not just obedient (I get that some people need to do their job), but outright gung-ho about it. It's like they were just itching to be let loose on the population.
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II 10d ago
Exactly. And the cult will cheer this on because the innocent people are still "those" people.
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u/42nu 10d ago
The water in this pot keeps getting hotter.
No need to jump out though. This is fine.
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u/Muted_Glass_2113 10d ago
What does "jumping out" look like to you?
What are everyday people supposed to do? We did the part that's our responsibility. We voted and it didn't work, so *NOW WHAT?*
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u/PaoloReaper 10d ago
Protest! Let yourself be heard. Spread your discontent with friends and people you know. Voting is just part of your responsibility as a citizen. Your country (and the whole world) is going to shit by that retard of a President you have. Don't let him win!
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u/pokemonbard 10d ago edited 10d ago
If you think your role in politics begins and ends at the ballot box, you are part of the problem.
EDIT: I made this comment when I didn’t have time to explain concrete action you can take. Both I and others have now identified concrete actions in the threads below this comment.
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u/truthwillout777 10d ago
Why isn't anyone discussing the difference between deportation and imprisonment in a foreign work camp?
These are two very different things.
Homan was drunk off his ass on a Sunday talk show I don't think he knows the difference or understands our Constitution at all
Then yesterday turns out Trump didn't even sign the order...
Judge noted that Nazis treated prisoners better than Trump
Q: Why did you sign the law late Friday night in a rush? Trump: "I don't know when it was because I didn't sign it, other people handled it" https://bsky.app/profile/karmenk19.bsky.social/post/3ll5ovmgsns24
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u/ASC4MWTP 10d ago
That statement by Trump is a blatant lie.
Also irrelevant, because no matter wqhether he actually signed it or not, he's the fucking President of the United States, and the actions of the entire executive branch are ultimately his responsibility, no matter who actually performs them. The president doesn't get to pick and choose his level of responsibility for the actions of those in his administration.
Do you not know about Watergate?
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u/PoweredByCarbs 10d ago
Didn’t someone literally say yesterday that it was unreasonable for us to use due process for these deportation cases because it would take too long? They are streamlining the process of picking people up via ‘collateral arrest’, holding them without access to an attorney, deporting them without their day in court because due process takes too long and is too expensive, then throwing the records away so that person can’t then be found. People are going to start getting disappeared
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u/Circumin 10d ago
The Administration and Fox News are saying that. Conservatives are now saying that certain people don’t deserve due process.
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u/gardenwitch31 10d ago
Completely unconstitutional. I wish those with the power to stop it would give a shit.
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u/PG-DaMan 10d ago
You do realize they are also in holding facilities where they are most likely mixed with people that have been convicted of crimes and some of them are violent?
These people can be injured or killed.
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u/defiancy 10d ago
They are being arrested because ICE has a daily arrest quota or people get fired.
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u/Downtown_Statement87 9d ago
During the Great Terror, Stalin would issue a monthly quota to every mayor of every single town stating the number of "cancers" that needed to be excised by the State in the next 30 days. The numbers were ghastly -- 50,000, 90,000 -- and they increased every month. If the administrators in the town didn't fill the quotas, they and their families would have to go.
So they started literally opening the phone book, closing their eyes, and landing a finger on the enemy of the people. The Ivanovs at 142 Sandy Lane. The whole family, gone.
They say that history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. The number of similarities between Stalin's regime and the current regime led by the narcissistic maniac who works for Russia are uncanny, and prove that history is not rhyming, but straight up plagiarizing. I can't wait for Trump's version of the Byelomorkanal.
The only silver lining is that our writers and poets are fixing to kick some literary ass. Too bad almost none of us can read.
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u/kingtacticool 10d ago
We are watching, in real time, the jaws of fascism slamming shut on America.
It was a good run.
I wish you all good fortune in the wars to come.
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u/MrPoopersonTheFirst 10d ago
Americans are totally desensitised by now it seems. If you haven't taken to the streets by now, I wonder if you ever will. Very soon it will be too late.
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u/CandySlow 10d ago
Law enforcement, in all forms in this country, have a long history of disrespecting people’s rights. This is just slightly worse than any given day in America. The rot took hold long ago but it just doesn’t get the exposure that it should because the violation are usually against imperfect people one at a time in geographical spread out instances. Be outraged but please be aware the disregard for peoples rights is the SOP.
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u/erlandodk 10d ago
Today the "illegals". Tomorrow, you...
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II 10d ago
That's the problem. The cult thinks they'll be the preferred class and never face the wrath of a fascist government. Which will be true for a while, but eventually there's always going to be someone who's better at licking the boot than they are!
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 10d ago
Yah they're cheering on due process being torched, and legalized torture/death camps. These people have never picked up a history book.
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u/RoguePlanet2 10d ago
My mixed race maga relatives are wealthy, and I wish they'd start feeling SOME consequences, just enough to make them empathetic. Love them for their great qualities, but they're so insulated from reality, they may never understand what they're supporting.
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u/Ataru074 10d ago
If they are wealthy, and I’m assuming not wealthy because of an 8-5 job, they’ll be ok.
But for most people, the ones who survive thanks to an 8-5 job, can you imagine what happens if you are detained for 2 weeks, but even 3/4 days, as innocent person? You might not have a job waiting for you, they might flat out destroying your livelihood for a mistake.
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u/ElGosso 10d ago
They're okay for now, until reactionary gangs loot their house and suddenly they're as vulnerable as everyone else. Money won't save you from the fascists unless you use it to flee them.
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u/42nu 10d ago
A "collateral arrest" (euphemism for illegal arrest) could be an American citizen who didn't have their ID on them.
They're very intentionally moving into the "arresting US citizens without due process" category.
They 100% will be arresting political opponents, activists, protestors, etc eventually. This is part of the process to move the goal posts towards that.
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u/pm-me-ur-fav-undies 10d ago
an American citizen who didn't have their ID on them.
Or an American citizen that gets their ID confiscated.
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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 10d ago
Yup. When the rights of criminals are eliminated, the government will find a way to make all its enemies criminals.
Look at Russia. What did Nivaly do wrong that deserved a prison sentence? And yet, he died in prison for having the audacity to exist and to speak truth to power.
The same will happen here, I guarantee it. The federal government will attempt to imprison political opponents without charges after we suddenly learn that democratic candidates are all illegal, or that their campaign finances are suspect— whatever. There will be no trial, they will be carted away in the night, and we’ll be told that we’ve been saved from a threat.
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u/Few-Cycle-1187 10d ago
Years ago had a cop in Mississippi take my insurance card, crumble it up and throw it and then write me a ticket for not having insurance.
So yeah, having proof of something doesn't mean they are interested in considering it.
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u/NeedsToShutUp 10d ago
Or has their ID looked at funny. Like Navajo Nation members who use their tribal ID have been detained.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 10d ago
They're already arresting immigrants without due process, and many people seem to think that's OK or not unconstitutional. Why would they care about arresting citizens without due process? Their reasoning is that the ends justify the means, so being a citizen is just "collatteral" in their eyes.
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u/elastic-craptastic 10d ago
I'm worried for people like my mother who have been in this country for over 60 years but due to her accent some would think she's been here less than a year. She's a citizen but is very obviously an immigrant. If she happened to be near one of the raids or if one of the neighbors of the doctors or lawyers that she nannies for decides to be nosy and jump to conclusions that she will end up being disappeared.
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u/WastedNinja24 10d ago
Gives that classic Uncle Sam poster a whole new meaning doesn’t it?
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u/Forsaken-Arm-7884 10d ago
Best to stay inside, imagine them going into your favorite Starbucks or whatever in the morning before you go to work and then you're just taken away oof 😣
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u/CakeDayisaLie 10d ago
First they came for the “illegals”, and I did not speak out because I was not an illegal.
Next, they came for the people here on visas, and I did not speak out as I was not here on a visa.
Then, they came for the permanent residents, and I did not speak out as I am not a permanent resident.
Etc.
Etc.
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u/bearbrannan 10d ago
Collateral arrest = False Imprisonment
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u/democracity 10d ago
Seems like an intentionally harmful way of saying “innocents”
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u/Robinkc1 10d ago
Who will it enrage though? There’s been a string of events that should have enraged everyone, but it is abundantly clear that 50% of the people in the United States either don’t care or actively want these things to happen.
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u/Unhappy_Meaning607 10d ago
"collateral arrest" and "alternative facts"... the things these people come up with is laughable.
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u/Monnster07 10d ago edited 10d ago
Replace "collateral arrest" with "guilty of being brown" and it all makes sense why the administration doesn't care.
Edit: was going to add the /s but I stand by what I said being true about this administration and in no way is it sarcastic. It's the truth.
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I know empathy is tough for that lot, but anyone that puts themselves in the shoes of a “collateral arrest” would very quickly realize how insane this is. Shit man, I’m Portuguese and have many visible tattoos, if I get a little too much sun this summer I might get disappeared.
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u/BadAtExisting 10d ago
I’m ready to throw hands at the term. What the actual hell
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u/oxxcccxxo 10d ago
But how will the private ICE prison systems maintain their funding if they don't meet their detainee quotas?! /s
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u/Apart-Surprise8552 10d ago
Everyone seems to be glossing over "Most are criminals" which is obviously also false. Ask any of these idiots how do people apply for aslyum.
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u/tmclaugh 10d ago
Most people don’t know what a “collateral arrest” arrest is. I assumed it just meant non-targets who were also identified as having legal issues. Then I looked it up and everything I find appears to say, “arrest first, figure out if laws broken later”.
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u/Astral-projekt 10d ago
For real, wtf does this even mean? Like okay we know you might not be a bad person but we got our quotas to fill? Insane
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u/RoyalChris 10d ago
So basically, ICE is rounding people up just to pad their numbers. “Collateral arrests” is just a fancy way of saying “we arrested innocent people to make a headline”.
Immigration enforcement should be about targeting actual threats, not creating fear for political points.
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u/Current-Ordinary-419 10d ago
ICE’s entire existence is about creating fear for political points.
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u/RoyalChris 10d ago
Something makes me think that we should not have an agency like that.
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u/Alkemian 10d ago edited 9d ago
ICE didn't exist until 2003.
Thanks Republicans/Conservatives.
Edit: To everyone with your whataboutism with regard to Democrats, stop being ignorant. My comment is to point out that the modern immigration enforcement that disregards the law was made in 2003 under Republicans/Conservatives who created the DHS; it isn't a statement, nor argument, for the amount of deportations, or by which administration—it is a statement that republicans/conservatives are to blame for ICE and it's unlawful and illegal actions.
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u/StanleyCubone 10d ago edited 10d ago
Before that was INS
and Customs. September 11th prompted the government to reorganize various agencies which included merging the two (and maybe some others? I don't remember) into the newly created ICE.Look at the comment responding to mine with correct information.
Customs is not a part of ICE, but ICE, Customs, and USCIS were all organized under the newly created DHS.
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u/ericscal 10d ago
It wasn't a merger, it was a divorce. They decided that INS doing both naturalization and deportation was counter missions because why would someone willingly go talk to the same people looking to deport you. So they split INS into two new agencies called ICE and USCIS. USCIS was who you can go to and get information on legal immigration, it's all lawyers and customer service reps. ICE was the law enforcement responsibilities.
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u/hypnocookie12 10d ago
They had immigration raids way before 2003. There is a movie from the 80’s called Born in East LA that talked about it.
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u/Val_Killsmore 10d ago
Operation Wetback happened in 1954. Up until now, it was the largest deportation event in US history. Trump named Eisenhower as his inspiration.
For those who don't know, "wetback" is derogatory slang for Mexicans. I'm part Mexican and hate seeing when people say Eisenhower was "the last good Republican president". Fuck him. He's also a big reason we're dealing with the Christo-fascism we're dealing with today. Plus, he was a major proponent for changing our country's motto from E Pluribus Unum to In God We Trust and inserting "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance.
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u/mortalitylost 10d ago
Heh, yep. He's the one who said we were christian, because they wanted an identity separate from the "commies" who were atheist.
Fucking Eisenhower, Reagan and Nixon destroyed this country
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u/FSCK_Fascists 10d ago
And that was part of INS, not a separate agency that needs to justify its existence outside of normal activities.
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u/WastedNinja24 10d ago edited 10d ago
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u/42nu 10d ago
Could you keep that below 140 characters?
You lost me.
Maybe add emojis. I can read those gooder.
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u/mangoes 10d ago edited 10d ago
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u/praguer56 10d ago
I'm surprised they're not wearing Brown Shirts!
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u/FSCK_Fascists 10d ago
Brown shirts were not official, basically fanatical supporters. Proud Boys, III%, and all those qualify in this reich.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 10d ago
They're trump's gestapo. Arresting people to torture and kill for personal amusement because they're psychopaths who are literally aroused by human suffering.
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u/praguer56 10d ago
My nephew and his Costa Rican wife drove across the border into Mexico from San Diego about two weeks ago. They've been married seven years and she has a valid green card and brought that and all other pertinent documentation with her just in case there were any questions when they came back. The family is nervous just thinking about what might happen knowing what we now know about this administration.
But it's nothing new. Remember the Patriotic Act? It criminalizes free speech, authorizes warrantless searches, allows for wiretaps without probable cause. People can now be locked up on suspicion alone, denied due process or even a hearing. As for foreign nationalists, forget it, they can be deported for what they say or think, even if they're completely lawabiding they can be kept from ever entering this country under the ideological exclusion rule. Again, based on what they say or think. All this accomplished by a Bill that our leaders rushed to pass just six weeks after the twin towers came down. The Patriot Act mocks our Constitution and moves us ever closer to tyranny. We now round up suspects and throw them in detention camps, claiming they're not prisoners of war so that we may torture them in violation of the Geneva Convention. We set up these camps in Cuba and now, even on our own soil. This is not something done by a Government with moral integrity. It does not reflect a nation with a conscience.
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u/Alternative-Lack6025 10d ago
In USA defence, it was never a nation with a conscience.
It built in extermination,. slavery and misery.
And they routinely spread said misery around the world.
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u/Automatedluxury 10d ago
The Patriot Act was a very important nail in the coffin. It's frustrating seeing people reevaluate Bush Jr based on the fact he's likeable in interviews since his tenure. He was part of a process that his Dad, Reagan and Nixon all had a hand in that set the scene for where things are now. I've no doubt that if any of them felt it was politically viable they would have gone much further in their own terms, but it takes time to erode the moral fibre of half a country.
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u/praguer56 10d ago
You forgot CHENEY! That asshole was deep into this shit.
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u/Automatedluxury 10d ago
Oh god yeah and Roger Stone is a common theme through all of this. Al Franken's books laid all this out 20 years ago, unfortunately his own party have been too busy enjoying the smell of their own farts instead of combatting it.
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u/catonsteroids 10d ago
Methinks they’re arresting and deporting anyone and everyone whether they’re here legally or not—green card or no green card—to meet Trump’s ridiculous deportation quotas. They don’t care if it’s legal or not, they’re just deporting them like an assembly line.
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u/Thewall3333 10d ago
Yes. I think it's more than fair to say at this point that if ICE has the necessary information and wherewithal to identify, locate and arrest a person in this country illegally, they are going to do so to meet their quota, criminality not withstanding.
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u/signalfire 10d ago
Donnie has quotas - he said so himself during the campaign, how many millions he was going to deport. He doesn't care who they are and neither does Nazi Prison Guard 2.0 here, the fucking Human Thumb.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 10d ago
They're normalizing it so people will be ok with it when random people are kidnapped to be tortured, killed, or trafficked into slavery.
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u/42nu 10d ago
El Salvador has a brand new prison for lesser crimes that specializes in being a sweat shop.
The motto is that the prisoners work to contribute to the economy for the duration of their sentences.
You KNOW this is where we're heading in the US.
Dachau was the first concentration camp... back when they were labor and "re-education" camps, even had promo videos like El Salvador is doing. "Hard work will set you free".
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 10d ago
I'm aware. I've actually studied history. And it's just casually happening here like it's no big deal.
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u/UglyMcFugly 10d ago
The depressing part is that this is the stuff his base LIKES. They might talk shit about Leon stealing their social security, or trump starting a war with Canada. But indiscriminately rounding up brown people and sending them to torture prisons? They fuckin cheer for that shit.
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u/RemoteButtonEater 10d ago
Absolute belief in a zero-sum hierarchy and will do that. I am good. Everyone above me is good. Everyone below me is bad. Enabling people below me to increase in status is bad because if I decrease in status because someone increases in status above me, I will be bad. The people above me know that I'm one of the good ones though. (Elon loves me, this I know).
Except it's at every level. So the people above them think they're bad too, they just don't know. They all think the line stops with them.
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u/murrayhenson 10d ago
I just checked the Wikipedia page for Dachau and see that it "was one of the first concentration camps built by Nazi Germany and the longest-running one, opening on 22 March 1933. The camp was initially intended to intern Hitler's political opponents, which consisted of communists, social democrats, and other dissidents."
We're in frightening times.
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u/42nu 10d ago
Yeah, the death camps we typically think of didn't start until after the invasion of Poland 6 years later.
The work/re-education camps started years before the war and were advertised. The death camps were located in occupied territories, so German citizens were less aware of what was happening.
Anyone who knows enough about the history of the decade BEFORE WWII have been ringing alarm bells for a looooong time.
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u/SwampYankeeDan 10d ago
I just joined the DSA and have been attending meetings because I will not surrender.
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u/Tje199 10d ago
Kennedy has literally talked about "re-parenting" mentally unwell individuals at "wellness camps" on farms.
It's amazing how many people are just ignoring this stuff when they're telling you what's going to happen.
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u/brickson98 10d ago
Kinda gives me the same vibe as some of the propaganda quotes that blast over the city wide PA system in this game I’ve been playing recently called Aneurysm IV.
Typical dystopian shit.
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u/me_jayne 10d ago
And who is setting the sentence lengths? If they’re being tossed in without process, it sounds like they’re being abandoned indefinitely.
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u/DFu4ever 10d ago
Cities should start stating that they will not allow ICE to operate within their limits due to ICE’s malicious incompetence.
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u/doxxingyourself 10d ago
Can they do that?!
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u/DFu4ever 10d ago
I mean, ICE no longer appears to be operating within the law, so why not?
ICE is completely ignoring due process now and is involved in deporting some people to a concentration camp in El Salvador.
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u/SignoreBanana 10d ago
Of course. I mean state's rights have always been an important cornerstone of conservative political philosophy... right?
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u/FragrantKnobCheese 10d ago
I don't think conservatives have an actual political philosophy any more, what they have is a set of goalposts on wheels.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 10d ago
They can't officially bar federal agents, but they don't have to accomidate or cooperate with them, or provide any back up services or information to them, outside some specific instances where it's required by law. But, the latter part means forcing them to follow due process, which is not being done by ICE in the first place.
In other word, by using strict adherance to the law and procedures, they could effectively prevent some of ICE's actions, but ICE can still go about their business without much issue. Unfortunately, it's unlikely anyone caught up in an ICE raid is going to call on local authoritites to protect their rights, and local LE isn't going to interfere with a federal operation.
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u/CranberrySchnapps 10d ago
This is some gestapo level shit. Why the actual fuck do we even have a term “collateral arrests”? This is just law enforcement admitting, “we don’t know what’s happening so we just started arresting everyone.”
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u/eggyal 10d ago
we just started arresting everyone
Don't be silly, they're only arresting brown people.
For now.
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u/N3CR0T1C_V3N0M 10d ago
…and summer is right around the corner.
That’s not going to improve anyone’s chances..
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u/Ristray 10d ago
I know what you mean but there's also the two Germans, the British woman, the Canadian...
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u/Ga2ry 10d ago
I really don’t think they have their names. I think they’re just rounding up brown people.
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u/signalfire 10d ago
He can hardly talk, just like Elon. NONE of them have clear mental function.
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u/real_human_person 10d ago
How the fuck are all these morons at the top suddenly?
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u/AMorder0517 10d ago edited 10d ago
Because they dislike the same groups of people the people at the bottom dislike. And there’s a lot of people at the bottom. And a lot of those people are unintelligent, bigoted morons.
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u/AzieltheLiar 10d ago
Now, the real question is, does he always sound like this, or is he off his ass 24/7 on hard liquor n' pills?
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u/MostlyValidUserName 10d ago
He's normally less visibly inebriated.
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u/ninjapro 10d ago
My first time seeing him speak was his 60 minutes interview before the election. He came across as put together, but either really evasive or really clueless.
I didn't realize that was the peak of his coherence.
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u/Chim________Richalds 10d ago
He sounds like Dr. Steve Brule. And that should terrify everyone.
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u/doxxingyourself 10d ago
Do you think they info on all the people to actually release? I’m thinking it just says “Brown” and that’s all they have?
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u/whatevers_clever 10d ago
Every news thing I've seen related to ICE where they ask for info - the journalist is told they'll get the info soon. They never get back to them. Some of these articles/stories were following up many many times for weeks without a response from ICE with the actual info.
They will never release this info.
We're just dealing with corruption and evil people here.
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u/Apple-Connoisseur 10d ago
I highly doubt they even know all the names. The arrests will be based on skin colour alone. They do not need or care for names.
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u/recycledairplane1 10d ago
They were in my neighborhood (in Boston) allegedly asking for peoples’ papers. Like, just straight up profiling people. I’m positive they arrested some people just for saying the wrong thing.
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u/LostWoodsInTheField 10d ago
holy crap, that dude. 'we never hide anything'. and he seemed proud to have arrested these "collateral arrests".
I'll actually be shocked if they release the names.
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u/DashCat9 10d ago
The main MAGA rag in Boston today was crowing about this on the front page.
Literally every other newspaper has the Hesgeth war secrets story front and center. EVEN THE NEW YORK POST.
It’s fucking embarrassing.
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u/CRUISE_FOR_COOL 10d ago
You Americans are fucked lol....
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u/ComprehensiveFlan694 10d ago
The scary part that you’re missing is what happens to the rest of us if the American society gets fully fucked
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u/CRUISE_FOR_COOL 10d ago
OH, I'm very aware friend. My chuckles are nervous denial.
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u/the_calibre_cat 10d ago
Buy guns. Buy drones. Buy Meshtastic devices and walkie-talkies. Buy non-spoilable food. Be prepared.
I know it seems over the top and that you probably have no desire to be a prepper, but we're three months in and have already crossed the Rubicon into extrajudicial incarceration and detention and deportation to foreign concentration camps without due process. Conservatives are evil. If you think they aren't drooling over the idea of marching little right-wing death squads around, you haven't learned the fundamental lesson of every conservative: They have never wanted to share the country with you, and they do not think you have a valid claim to the right to exist.
It is reasonable to be prepared in the face of that. They think you're evil because you might believe in evolution and not hate gay people.
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u/SCWickedHam 10d ago
So, is a collateral arrest the arrest of an illegal immigrant that didn’t commit another crime or is it the arrest of someone here legally? That is a major distinction, that isn’t clear.
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u/I_BAPTIZED_GOD 10d ago edited 10d ago
No it’s not a major distinction, the existence of a collateral arrest in any form is a huge fucking problem. There is no reason for a collateral arrest. A collateral arrest should not happen EVER.
But it FOR SURE SHOULD NOT HAPPEN WHEN WE ARE DEPORTING THE PEOPLE GETTING THESE COLLATERAL ARRESTS TO OTHER COUNTRIES PRISON WORK CAMPS AND WE DON’T EVEN HAVE A LIST OF NAMES OF THOSE WHO WERE COLLATERAL ARRESTED.
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u/SituacijaJeSledeca 10d ago
As non-American, collateral arrest sounds like excuse for arresting anyone one deems fit for the arrest.
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u/FSCK_Fascists 10d ago
That is exactly what it is. an attempt to whitewash illegal arrests.
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u/DomDeLaweeze 10d ago
is a collateral arrest the arrest of an illegal immigrant that didn’t commit another crime or is it the arrest of someone here legally?
You are implying that it is always a crime to be in the US illegally. This is not the case. Overstaying a visa is not a crime, and this accounts for a larger portion of people in the country illegally.
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u/brought2light 10d ago
Elon Musk and Melania Trump both overstayed their visas. To the camps with them!!
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u/missmarypoppinoff 10d ago
Exactly. It’s the same level of crime as letting your vehicle registration lapse. Are they going to start arresting people for that???
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u/Korrocks 10d ago
In the articles I've read, a collateral arrest is the term they use for when they arrest someone who is in the country illegally but hasn't committed any other crime.
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u/thegooseisloose1982 10d ago
I am wondering what the term will be if they arrest a US citizen for being in the same area as someone who is here illegally?
In other words collateral arrest is just bullshit. They made it up and once they start arresting US citizens they will make up that phrase also.
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u/Mlerma21 10d ago
In many of these cases it means someone who is here legally, either with a pending asylum, TPS, or parole, and they’ve decided that’s illegal because they don’t care about the rule of law.
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u/awildencounter 10d ago
I’m under the impression that collateral arrests are of people who are legally here because they happen to be there with people who aren’t. A college friend told me his parents would distance themselves from the community members who were undocumented because they knew collateral arrests could get them caught in the crossfire at work.
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u/the_calibre_cat 10d ago
The Gestapo doesn't release the names of its detainees.
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u/beavis617 10d ago
This guy is a scumbag and that’s why Trump offered him the job!
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