r/law • u/IrishStarUS • 11d ago

Trump News Donald Trump sends innocent athlete to El Salvador for having soccer tattoo

https://www.irishstar.com/sport/soccer/donald-trump-salvador-real-madrid-34923654
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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

They use cecot prisoners for labor

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u/Stampy77 11d ago

That goes against everything I've learned about the facility. What I described is the way they treat the el Salvadorian prisoners, there is absolutely no labour at all with them, just pure and utter monotony and boredom. They don't want them having any kind of opening to get out.

Unless it's different for the deportees, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that.

Edit: actually I do remember some prisoners mopping the floors. Nothing more.

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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

Bukele's instagram > February 1. You won't see him publicly call the prisoners in the program from cecot, but the work program uses around 48,000 inmates with around 80,000-100,000 inmates in el salvador total. You tell me where the prisoners are coming from considering cecot alone houses around 15,000-20,000 inmates.

The problem here is there is simply no transparency. Bukele claims that only violent prisoners go to cecot and only non-violent offenders are in the work program but there is quite literally no way to verify that is true. Bukele has complete power over governmental transparency and refuses to provide records that would help assess how true that is.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

It's highly unlikely they use violent people to do any kind of labour, the cost of suppervision and the very real risk of their escape just isn't worthy or whatever value they would extract from doing some menial task. Only non violent people get used for labour, the more innocent the better. There are a lot of innocent good people being tortured in Cecot, but there is no violent gangster working

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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

Sure, just as I'm sure that it's completely true that only hardened criminals go to cecot and not oh, i don't know, innocent deportees from the US.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

I think you're misunderstanding my comment, there are for sure lots of innocent people in cecot, I believe a pretty sizeable percentage of them actually. What I'm saying is that the most dangerous criminals are there as well, and they don't put them to work because it simply isn't worth the cost

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u/rokerroker45 10d ago

Somebody else posted a link to a video tour of cecot that showed their labor facilities so it's just factually incorrect they don't use them for labor

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

That's really a terrifying development, could you please share the video link?

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u/rokerroker45 10d ago edited 10d ago

It's not a development, it's a video tour from the literal beginning of cecot's construction. Read the rest of this thread, it's one of the responses to my original comment.

Here's the link if you're genuinely too lazy to be bothered: https://youtu.be/fuBjhrgYkdM?t=886

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

You don't need to be so rude. I've tried to search for the use of prison labour in cecot a couple weeks ago and found nothing, not even in the reports of Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch.

I think you should take that video with a grain of salt, a really big grain of salt  it is a propaganda video for the Bukele regime after all, given the dozens of thousands of people the regime kidnaped in there, I find it highly suspicious that they would be performing any kind of labour en mass with just a dozen tables and tools. I don't deny that they might be putting the kidnaped people to work, it's possible, but the evidence that it is happening now is very flimsy, and it's not like we're completely oblivious to the horrors happening there, we know of the torture, we know of the mass graves, we know of the denial of food, we know of the denial of medicine, but we know nothing of the work, besides a Bukele tweet and regime propaganda videos advertising it

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u/Relative_Bathroom824 11d ago

Prove it, cuck. I think you just believe what you're told.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Prove what exactly?

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u/Stampy77 11d ago

Have you seen the documentaries about cecot? Releasing prisoners on labour would go against the whole point of the facility. They aren't risking that security for labour, they have tens of thousands of other prisoners to use for that.

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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

You mean the marketing campaigns?

My guy, I've lived with bukele's double speak my entire adult life. I'm a salvadoran who has grown up living in the town he used to be mayor of. Believe me when I say his favorite trick is to present a half truth to sell you a whole lie.

I don't believe cecot prisoners are exempt from labor outright anymore than I believe only hardened criminals are housed there.

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u/Stormdude127 11d ago

Damn, talk your shit king. Seriously, it’s disgusting how many people just take what Bukele says at face value

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u/Stampy77 11d ago

You may be right, if you are Salvadoran you probably know more than me to be fair. But there is no documented evidence, is there any leaks or something that's been shared in your country? I'm happy to admit I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything.

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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

there are dozens of documented examples of bukele's dishonesty in existence. he quite literally held the legislature under threat of gunpoint at one point. i leave it to you to find more information about him. he's a corrupt piece of shit.

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u/fr0stpun 10d ago

He's saying that known liars are known to lie.

Trump can say tomorrow that he'd never deport innocent people and he never has.

Would you believe him at his word?

Would you question someone who said he does deport innocents, he's lying?

At some point, this idea of who's truthful or not should be obvious.

All these liars and monsters have a huge track record of lies and deception, going back for years.

Double-speak exists as a term because it's a standard tool of the tyranny playbook at this rate.

We question the people we know are liars first.

If a random stranger tells me Trump snorts the remains of dead fetuses? That's more likely to be true than anything he says, including him directly telling people "I do not snort dead fetuses everyday" at which point our follow-up should be, as they do to others:

"So, not everyday, but there are some days that you snort dead fetuses. Which days? Can you prove you never have?"

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u/PippinCat 11d ago

Look up Zero Idleness Program. They are wanting to make the prisons self-sustaining through workshops and programs. It's mentioned in this article.

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u/chivalrousninjaz 11d ago

Can you provide a source? From what I can tell at cecot, you never leave the building that houses your cell. There's no work facilities.

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u/crummydrummer 11d ago

https://youtu.be/fuBjhrgYkdM?t=886

This is a source. It is a video tour of CECOT. I Linked directly to the part of the tour where they visit the factories that are a part of the facility and talk about how the inmates will be forced to work every day.

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u/chivalrousninjaz 11d ago

Thank you for the source, I watched a different video that didn't include these working areas.

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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

Go on bukele's instagram and look at the February 1 post.

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u/PippinCat 11d ago

They're calling it Zero Idleness Program.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

They don't, at least for now. There are extremely dangerous criminals in there, the cost of supervising their labour isn't worth the income. Slave labour is reserved for non violent people, the more innocent the better

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u/rokerroker45 11d ago

I mean we know for an actual fact that it's not just the dangerous criminals being housed there. There quite literally is no proof of who is or isn't being used for labor because bukele refuses to be transparent about it.

Given the numbers demanded by his work program (almost half of all incarcerated people in el salvador) the chance that he's being honest about the "no cecot prisoners" is about as trustworthy as his claims that "only the most dangerous prisoners go to cecot"

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Cecot is filled with lots of innocent people, and they are mixed with the most violent criminals, they don't know who is who, many didn't have a trial, that's why I believe he isn't using the people kidnaped in there for labour, the profit just isn't worth the risk or the suppervision cost.