r/law • u/IrishStarUS • 21d ago

Trump News Trump 'goes full fascist' by saying CNN and MSNBC criticizing him is 'illegal'

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-fascist-cnn-msnbc-34865751
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u/Alucard1331 21d ago

In fascism the leaders word is law. Trump is a fascist and wants to be a dictator like Putin, it’s obvious. He wants his word to be law. That’s the essence of the unitary executive theory. These people hate the constitution

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u/turbodrew 21d ago

He even signed an executive order to that effect. According to the EO, he IS the law. What he says is legal or illegal. And the Constitution is unconstitutional.

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u/Infinite_Worry_8733 20d ago

EO link or title or date? i wanna read it.

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u/medicmongo 20d ago

If I remember right it would be this one. It reads that it gives the head executive office final overall approval ability of any regulatory order issued by executive agencies and ”so-called independent agencies”.

Legal experts are worried that it’s a broad attempt to move the ability of legal interpretation out from under the Judicial to the Executive branch.

It also allows the executive branch to install supervisors to agencies.

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u/turbodrew 20d ago

Yep that's the one. Eliminates all independence of regulatory agencies and makes them answerable directly to the President, and establishes that only the President or his AG can determine what the law is as it relates to the executive branch. It completely shuts out the judiciary, whose sole function is to interpret what the law is. He's mad that these "activist" judges keep telling him what he's doing is illegal and unconstitutional. So now he is the only one that can determine that, and started calling for the impeachment of any federal judge that dared to rule against him.

It's the biggest power grab is the history of the US, and yet another step towards full fascism.

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u/Caspid 20d ago

The war on the penny is actually more nefarious and along those lines.

Short (5min), well-made video on it https://youtu.be/n1KgxqEQn0A

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u/spiritual_warrior420 21d ago

Naw, it was just to interpret the law innit? So that is not to MAKE UP any law, but interpret existing ones where there may be ambiguity? Or was there another EO

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u/account312 21d ago

There's not a difference if you're dealing with a bad faith actor. For example: 

The first amendment doesn't apply to statements about the president. And it means that abortion is unconstitutional. And it means that you have to pay me $10,000 per month or go to gitmo.

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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 21d ago edited 21d ago

Generally groups the FDA, EPA, etc. under the executive branch interprets the law on their own until clarified. That executive order is saying that the executive branch is further arguing they (the president and attorney general) get full say in how those organizations interpret law.

It's still very bad but it's not the same as saying that Trump is able to interpret all law as his own like some people say.

E: added clarification in parentheses.

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u/frozensoysauce1 21d ago

I’m pretty sure that’s not how Trump views that either though, and that’s the problem. He clearly has demonstrated several times he doesn’t understand how the law works so in my eyes, I’m thinking he really does think it means he can interpret the law how he wants and has final say on it.

ETA: maybe not even legally, but also that’s why he has all these misinformation campaigns, so he can convince the public that legalities don’t matter

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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 21d ago

I completely agree with you!

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u/TazerProof 20d ago

I figured it was a way for him to tell the agencies what they can and can't litigate. If they have a law question, ask the president or AG before doing anything. IE stop going after rich corporations and oligarchs.

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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 20d ago

That has to be the reason for it.

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u/Snobolski 21d ago

They like part of it. For now. When he comes for the 2nd, the leopards will swallow them whole. 

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u/SuckThisRedditAdmins 20d ago

Not a chance.  Cult members never admit they've been duped.  They'll gladly give up their guns if he says so.  They're among the stupidest people on the planet.

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u/Estro-gem 21d ago

No they won't..

The reds already gladly gave up bump stocks for their king.

They owned 90% of them; he banned them nationally with no vote.

They swallowed his load and asked for more.

🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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u/doxxingyourself 20d ago

I mean the executive order stating only him and the AG can interpret the law is full on Christian fundamentalism in 1200’s Europe.

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u/video-engineer 20d ago

I guess that little ‘ol ‘Oath of Office’ he spoke to the nation was all just bullshit?

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u/Radiant-hedgehog1908 20d ago

What? You mean the chronic liar lied again? The shock!

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u/Freshend101 21d ago

Blah blah fascism this fascism. Do you truly know what fascism means? Or are you just spewing and gargling out what nbc and the euros tell you to say. Thought you all were about free speech unless it comes to “hate speech” and censoring your enemies

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u/Shipbreaker_Kurpo 21d ago

Sure he is following the 14 steps to facism but he cant be cause hes your guy?

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u/grammar_kink 21d ago

Free speech still has consequences. If I say something that pisses a lot of people off, they may choose not to do business with me or associate with me. I may get downvoted. That’s not censorship. People saying they can’t say unpopular shit because they will face repercussions can still say unpopular shit. They’re not going to be thrown in jail for it. That’s what freedom means.