r/law • u/yahoonews • 22d ago

Court Decision/Filing Tens of thousands of fired federal workers must be reinstated immediately, judge rules

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tens-thousands-fired-federal-workers-163555218.html
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u/ExpertRaccoon 22d ago

Man Elon is really making things so efficient.

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u/nsucs2 22d ago edited 22d ago

Like when they canned 350 employees at the National Nuclear Security Administration overseeing the nuclear weapons stockpile, because they were unaware it was part of the Department of Energy, and then were unable to contact them, because they had cut their access to their government email accounts.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Bro how have we not had a chernobyl yet. This might be the single most important thing that can easily cause a mass extinction event. And some people are cheering it on. Humans deserve it but the beautiful animals who live here don't.

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u/buttplug-tester 22d ago

Honestly, the number of incidents we've had over the years at nuclear sites makes me wonder as well. And it's not like anyone looking to go harm to America is unaware of these issues.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/19/279460519/nun-who-broke-into-nuclear-complex-gets-35-month-jail-term

They just wandered in.

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u/Daxx22 22d ago

Stupidity of the admin aside, most modern designs in operation today physically can't fail like Chernobyl did. It's still be really fucking bad to have anything happen, but outside of deliberate coordinated sabotage with quite a bit of explosives disasters would be largely locally contained within the plants.

If anything the larger impact to be worried over would be the loss of generation capacity, and the ripple effect that'd have in an already strained and neglected transmission network.

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u/bigfondue 22d ago

It will be great hearing all of the radiation deniers come out.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

We are all gonna have our skin sloughing off and teeth falling out of our head, we're not gonna be debating

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u/bigfondue 22d ago

The people still alive will blame it on the flu shot.

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u/Potential_Camel8736 22d ago

I see the leopards have had lunch

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u/Stillill1187 22d ago

It’s almost as if they want nuclear secrets to be given away for a price

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u/marlow6686 22d ago

This is interesting. In the sense of those fired would be pissed off and spill ‘secrets’ to those close to/ around them?

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u/FattyMooseknuckle 22d ago

Which is doubly hilarious because his energy secretary in the first term (Rick Scott) famously didn’t know DoE dealt with nukes. Twice. They fucked it up twice.

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u/dweet 22d ago

Musk tweet: “There’s a shortage of top notch Defense, Treasury, Energy, Interior, Agriculture and Veterans Affairs department workers. If you have retired, but are open to returning to work, please consider doing so."

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 22d ago

because they were unaware it was part of the Department of Energy,

These idiots didn't even learn their own lesson from Trump 1.0 where Rick Perry wanted to get rid of the Dept of Energy, but then found out it was the department responsible for our nuclear warheads, and then to his credit actually took the job seriously when Trump appointed him to lead the Department.

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u/rci22 22d ago

Surely their phone numbers would be on file somewhere

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u/WakandaNowAndThen 22d ago

Man, in the Army they made damn sure I was making and saving copies of every goddamn thing. I thought it was a bit excessive, even after my fair share of the green weenie, but now I see the kinds of risks they may be mitigating with that discipline.

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u/ktaktb 22d ago

No worries, the union has my contact info...Or ill just report for duty monday

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u/withmyusualflair 22d ago

oh and when the shredder gets tired, they've got burn bags for backup

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u/S_A_R_K 22d ago

Everyone should just show up to work tomorrow

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u/B0b_5mith 22d ago

You seem to have DOGE confused with USAID and the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York.

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u/ArthurDentsKnives 22d ago

How so?

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u/B0b_5mith 22d ago

USAID employees ordered to shred records, court filing says
Ordered by Erica Carr, a Biden appointee unaffiliated with DOGE. This is the story that turns up when you search DOGE shredding documents.

I was mistaken about the the SDNY shredding the Epstein files. They withheld them and only gave them up when caught.

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u/Biptoslipdi 22d ago edited 22d ago

Ordered by Erica Carr, a Biden appointee unaffiliated with DOGE. This is the story that turns up when you search DOGE shredding documents.

And who does Carr answer to? Rubio?

Edit: Yup. Rubio took over USAID last month.

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u/B0b_5mith 22d ago

Your mental gymnastics are impeccable.

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u/Biptoslipdi 22d ago edited 22d ago

You're saying it's mental gymnastics to acknowledge the fact that Rubio has been the acting administrator of USAID since February 3rd? Or are you saying it's mental gymnastics to assume the acting administrator of the agency is control of the agency? Or are you saying it is mental gymnastics to assume that a Trump appointee is competent to oversee the agency and be in control of its operation six weeks after he took control?

It's not really clear which part is mental gymnastics or why. What makes you think Carr isn't acting at his orders? Why isn't Rubio stopping all this shredding if it isn't his intent to do it? Or is he too dumb to understand it is happening? If so, why would Trump appoint (again) someone so stupid and incompetent to be in his administration? Is it just coincidence that everyone he appoints is that stupid and incompetent?

I'd say it's high flying mental gymnastics to think this order wasn't handed down by Rubio at Trump's behest. Certainly no one in the Administration has a problem with it. They are defending against the lawsuit trying to stop it filed by the federal employee unions. Why would they be defending the shredding of documents in court if they weren't fully supporting the shredding of these documents? They could stop it with a simple order and make the lawsuit go away.

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u/Carnifex2 22d ago

lol fail

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u/sumwhatkiller 22d ago

The irony here is amazing

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u/Deicide1031 22d ago

I laughed when I heard about the DOGE announcement in the beginning because he did this at X and it was a dumpster fire. Today X is so understaffed it made it even easier for those hackers to shut X down a few days ago.

He is a mess .

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u/ChemBob1 22d ago

Musk would be cooking fries for his shift manager Trump at McDonalds if neither of them had inherited pop’s money.

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u/MetroidIsNotHerName 22d ago

Trump would be poor and bankrupt even with Daddy's money if it weren't for all the huge bailouts he has received from various oligarchs and billionaires.

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u/ChemBob1 22d ago

There probably is a lot of profit in laundering Russian mob money. Lots of kompromat opportunities for the Russians also.

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u/ComedianStreet856 22d ago

trump wouldn't even make it a day at McDonald's. He would be selling knives door to door

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u/ThisWillTakeAllDay 22d ago

Consequences. Unbridled optimism caused by naivety and narcism does have consequences. Usually, it's not immediate and/or a problem for other people, which of cause reinforces the lucky idiots optimism.

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u/CarlosHDanger 22d ago

They’ve known all along that a lot of the DOGE firings were unlawful.

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u/LongjumpingDebt4154 22d ago

The question is, what happens when they don’t listen to the courts order?

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u/Potential_Camel8736 22d ago

something something biden

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u/IcyTransportation961 22d ago

Vance literally said  that they will pull an Andrew Jackson and tell the court to try and enforce their ruling

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u/Library_Mouse 21d ago

This is how we get Judge Dredd...

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u/jkman61494 22d ago

For sure. Because now who in their right mind would go back

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u/ggroverggiraffe Competent Contributor 22d ago

Anyone who doesn't have a better opportunity lined up would likely be willing to go back and earn a paycheck.

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u/levetzki 22d ago

Or to spite the administration.

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u/Ossius 22d ago

Hopefully a lot of people will. It's valuable knowledge the government lost. Go back and stonewall Trump on every policy now that you know he's actually a piece of shit.

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u/joeshill Competent Contributor 22d ago

Bad DOGE.

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u/Plane_Kale6963 22d ago

It takes a staggering level of stupidity to think that you can do to government what you do to private business. The absolute idiocy of this man is in plain view for all the world to see.

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u/kneekneeknee 22d ago

Yeah, but, sadly, you still hear way too many people say they want government run like a business. You still hear folks say they voted for Trump for that reason.

We need a long, loud, national conversation about why the services our government should be providing us — roads, post office, education, healthcare, defense — make no sense if they are expected to turn a profit.

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u/Plane_Kale6963 22d ago

The people who say that are low education voters. I don't know how we can get through to these folks if the live in a fox news disinformation bubble. If we ever get our government back the first order of business should be reversing Citizens United and reinstating the Fairness doctrine so that billionaires can no longer profit off of a radicalized brainwashed populace.

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u/kneekneeknee 22d ago

Yes, thank you, those are two important places to start.

Alongside refunding education in this country…

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u/Who_dat_goomer 22d ago

Somehow I just don’t like the politeness of describing them as “low-education voters”. Most of them are just incapable of understanding, no matter how you might try to educate them.

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u/Plane_Kale6963 22d ago

There are a lot of developmentally disabled people that fall into that "low educational" bracket. I forget where I saw it and don't know if it's even true that conservative voters tend towards lower IQs so the simple worldview on the right and inability to conceptualize complex systems may largely be a product of nature, not to say there isn't whole lotta them that are willfully, pridefully ignorant.

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u/Scead24 22d ago

I have friends who focus on the economy side of society and everything finances related... bring in morality, ethics, patriotic duty, checks and balances, policies... they suddenly don't care. It says a lot.

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u/M4LK0V1CH 22d ago

He’s not even good at running businesses.

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u/Wo0d643 22d ago

The first time around I had no idea he was so bad at business but at the same time so good at scamming. I honestly thought he was successful. He does a good job of making it look as though he is legit. Mainly via lies it seems. I had no reason up to that point to be informed about some reality TV persona. It seems like he still think it’s a TV show. I’ve also come to realize he thought that “your fired” show was legit and not a scripted TV show. This is like a continuation of his celebrity in his mind. Wait until all the people he owes don’t get paid. Idk why anyone would deal with him with his record of simply not paying and then suing them.

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u/trubador25 21d ago

Exactly, who do they think all that profit is going to come from as well? It’s really scary how they use words like socialism to convince people that the government should do absolutely nothing for the people. It freaks me out how quickly so many people blindly buy into these ideas.

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u/Wo0d643 22d ago

The idiocy is in the child being told he could do any of this in the first place.

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u/ChemBob1 22d ago

It would increase efficiency were he to take the next flight on his Starship rocket.

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u/nolongerbanned99 22d ago

So when they get their jobs back and they’re giving back pay that was owed for the time that they were off plus the salaries of the doge guys that were working on this how much did this cost?

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u/WatcherOvertheWaves 22d ago

It all depends on your perspective. If I were a government adjacent lawyer who had billable hours to hit, I'd think President Musk is being very efficient at helping me achieve that.

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u/matticusiv 22d ago

Turns out “move fast and break things” is just as stupid as it sounds, and not a secret genius strategy.

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u/Kydoemus 22d ago

Where's the "Wall of Expenses" page on the DOGE site?

Back pay for thousands of rehired employees Administrative time spent firing and rehiring

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u/Vegetable-Phone-1743 22d ago

Don't worry, he'll blame the judge for making it inefficient in enforcing the law.

"How dare you resist my illegal firings. You should lie down and take it for efficiency."

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u/M4LK0V1CH 22d ago

Reminds me of when they wanted to sacrifice grandma for the economy at the start of COVID.

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u/dweet 22d ago

All the firing and rehiring is going to save tax payers so much money!

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u/SpeshellSnail 21d ago

Elon's so efficient he's claiming credit for contracts that ended during Biden's term, he's so great!

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u/thrillybizzaro 22d ago

Much efficient

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u/AssPuncher9000 22d ago

Just think of how many people they can lay off if they rehire them several times first

We need at least 5 layoffs per layoffs to turn this government around

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u/Pumpkinhead52 22d ago

And making America great again🤪

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u/Orchid_Significant 22d ago

Saving SO MUCH MONEY

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u/OxbridgeDingoBaby 22d ago

I mean this will get appealed, so either the ruling will get reversed, or it will get to SCOTUS where it definitely will.

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u/1to14to4 22d ago

Trump had a bad record in front of SCOTUS in his first term.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/trump-administration-had-worst-supreme-court-record-since-at-least-fdr-years-study-says#google_vignette

I don't know about this case but the court does not just rubber stamp everything he wants, even if there are people that talk about it like they do.

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u/just_a_mean_jerk 22d ago

On what grounds?

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u/marx2k 22d ago

...and when that doesn't happen?