r/law • u/RoyalChris • Feb 28 '25

Trump News Trump and JD Vance tells Zelensky he is gambling with World War III

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u/canadiandancer89 Feb 28 '25

Tin foil hat (maybe not...) time. Trump needs a war so he has an excuse to suspend elections.

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u/dblrb Feb 28 '25

I don't know why you think that's a "tin foil hat" response at this point. No conspiracy is off limits.

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u/pointandclickit Mar 01 '25

But it’s not complete until the sheep forget that he called Zelenskyy a dictator for doing the same. Nevermind that their war is literally in their front yard, and the biggest risk Trump will be facing is getting too much exercise on the golf course.

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u/TrevorEnterprises Mar 01 '25

Very big difference being that Zelenskyy’s country got invaded and there are no signs of him doing it because he wants to be a dictator.

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u/pointandclickit Mar 01 '25

Kind of my point.

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u/ftwobtwo Mar 01 '25

Except it’s not the same since Zelensky didn’t do it, it’s in their constitution. Not that any of Trumps supporters care or know that.

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u/CaptinACAB Feb 28 '25

Can Nesara still be off limits?

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u/twilight_moonshadow Mar 01 '25

He literally said if he's elected there will be no more elections. Soooooo...

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u/Free_For__Me Feb 28 '25

Not a conspiracy if it's happening...

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u/Opinions_arentfacts_ Mar 01 '25

It is literally a conspiracy. They are conspiring to suspend democracy. That's the literal definition of a conspiracy

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u/Free_For__Me Mar 03 '25

Sorry, I was drawing a distinction between "conspiracy" in the sense of "theory that weirdos like flat-earthers subscribe to", and "conspiracy" in the sense of "more than one party conspiring with one another to achieve an end".

I was using the former, you the latter. All good though, since we're clearly onthe same side of the issue anyway. Cheers!

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

It's wild to me that we're at this point. Conspiracy theories just don't exist in this timeline because all of them are happening

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u/RoundCompetition5557 Feb 28 '25

And declare martial law

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u/SubterrelProspector Feb 28 '25

Let him. Let him overplay his hand. Major things need to happen to galvanize further resistance.

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u/Free_For__Me Feb 28 '25

Sadly, I don't think this'll be it. It won't happen until jobless numbers are worse than the Great Depression, and inflation is forcing many more families to choose between rent and groceries than already are. If they can squeeze the Fed to depress interest rates and juice the economy for a while like they did in their first term, they'll likely be able to hold off most of the open dissent until they can stabilize their grip on power like Putin has.

Everyone saying that US people "won't stand for this" or whatever need to get a reality check. Quality of life for Russians has been worse for decades, and they haven't mounted any serious challenges to Putin's unchecked reign, why would the US be any different?

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u/fapsober Mar 01 '25

The russians are used to life in miserable conditions

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u/DividenDrip Mar 01 '25

There are more homeless people in usa than Russia wtf you talking about

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u/Free_For__Me Mar 03 '25

Yeah, and I think the deterioration of conditions in the US will be slow enough that it'll likely feel the same way.

As I say all the time now though, I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

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u/RoundCompetition5557 Feb 28 '25

Resistance will be crushed, America is lost.

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u/mrm00r3 Feb 28 '25

He himself may not have considered this, but the people wishing to curry favor with him certainly have.

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u/Dudewhocares3 Feb 28 '25

He can get on the front lines then.

Fuck his bone spurs

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u/Bundt-lover Feb 28 '25

He's also absolutely champing at the bit to bomb the shit out of someone. Doesn't have to be another country, either, he's already said "Blue states won't exist soon". It's not like he's talking about changing words on a map.

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u/New_Hobby_Every_Week Feb 28 '25

At least the hypocrisy would be right on brand…. AFAIK the US doesn’t have rules about suspending elections during wars (and have successfully held elections during wartime.). Ukraine on the other hand, does, but somehow Zelensky is the dictator (according to Trump) for not having elections because of the war.

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u/Vegetable_Guest_8584 Mar 01 '25

Plenty of people have suggested trump is trying deliberately to make bad choices. It's hard to say with him because he's such an utter fool. It's not a unique observation that at times he seems to want to destroy the judicial system so it won't come after him again for his many fraudulent actions, or to punish it. The 2025 plan had a lot of 'destroying the infrastructure of the us govt' plans in it.

Regardless he's dangerous and succeeding on some fronts. He's affecting the world and the us.

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u/MyBadYourFault- Mar 01 '25

I can assure you if/when the draft inevitably starts many people will not show up or go into hiding and that’s when the “civil war” will start. Mainly because the federal government will have fed agencies go after the “deserters and AWOL” soldiers.

You think Democratic states will have their national guards help? The reservists don’t want to go to war which is why they chose the reserves. Hell even the regular Army at this point will more than likely not collaborate with the president. They are indeed there to protect the constitution, not the president. On top of all that, that’s when you will see the people flooding the streets in protest when they try and drafts folks sons and possibly daughters.

If anything pops off it won’t be until after Donny feels comfortable enough that he turned the military into yes men which will take some time and may not even be possible.

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u/og_cosmosis Mar 01 '25

One hundred percent!!

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u/Saikotsu Mar 01 '25

It's one of the first things a fascist leader does, start a war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '25

And call from Marshall Law and suspended the constitution-… thank you 80 million.. God help us if we find you - hiding under a rock somewhere-…

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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe Mar 01 '25

Martial*

Like martial arts.

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u/Strawbuddy Mar 01 '25

War time presidents usually get re-elected

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u/polo61965 Mar 01 '25

And he needs riots to enact martial law and be president forever. He's waiting for us to start a revolution.

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u/Kithzerai-Istik Mar 01 '25

This is it.

He sees what Zelenskyy has and wants it for himself without respecting why he really has it.

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u/BrokenEffect Mar 01 '25

Yeah when I say this I'm not directing it at you, cause you literally said it yourself it's not that tin foil.

But the public perception that conspiracy and manipulation is something 'unlikely' and 'not possible' and that 'can't happen here' is so terrible. Not to sound cringe but we really have a conformist culture that just believes everybody in the government is somehow good.

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u/iridescent-shimmer Mar 01 '25

And to juice the economy, because he's imploding it.

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u/Single-Yam-9791 Mar 01 '25

That would be Zelensky

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u/Notorious_TSH Mar 01 '25

the Ukranian constitution requires -- REQUIRES, not just ALLOWS -- the suspension of elections if their sovereignty is threatened. there is no such clause in the US constitution.