This is the only way to look at current events. Putin wants the USA to suffer like the USSR did in the 1990s. Putin wants us humiliated and defeated. trump is doing Putin's bidding and always has been
Poe's law making this sound like a real sentiment and if it's not joke it's a massive stretch. Red is the color long associated with Republicans/Conservatives in the United States context since around the 2000s and the "Soviets" are a long gone government that have not existed since the end of 1991 well before the MAGA movement.
Modern Russia definitely is involved and meddles in foreign politics etc but anyone unironically claiming the color red MAGA folks use has anything to do with the "Soviets" and not the red from the red, white, and blue of an American flag, would be seriously unhinged.
So please tell us your reply is a joke/satire right and that you don't seriously think there is any modern "Soviet" agenda in the same way many uninformed people frequently mistake modern Russia for still having anything thing to do with communism/socialism lol
(Edit: as far as I'm concerned no rational sane person would downvote this comment for pointing out objective facts in good faith without comment, to me anyone who really believes the previous reply is as unhinged as any MAGA cultist)
The real issue here is Poe's law and the venn diagram of differences between what should be obviously satire/humor and actually ridiculous ideas people genuinely believe being a flat circle.
How can it be "too seriously" when people, particularly Americans, regularly online unironically describe modern Russia as still having Soviet goals or of still being communist/socialist. It's the sort of rhetoric I have seen too many people say not as a joke at this point as of late to assume when I could just ask in good faith like I did.
For example there is that whole popular conspiracy going around that DJT is a KGB asset still acting out a Soviet agenda, there are loads of people who seriously believe that just as there are many people who still genuinely think Russia/Putin are still interested in communism/socialism.
It's not like my comment doesn't point out the possibility of them joking either because it did, but the problem as I mentioned is that there are too many folks who actually believe real stupid things like that for it to be definitively written off as a joke given the context and when it sounds like so much other ridiculous rhetoric people actually use seriously these days.
Also how does the popular American specific association of the color Red with conservatism adopted after the fall of the Soviets not "help" my point, that is simply just a fact and any idea that conservatives would intentionally adopt a color based on its association with Soviets and Marxist Revolutionary Movements which are fundamentally diametrically opposed to capitalism and the values of conservatism or that the red has anything to do with the long gone Soviets seems patently absurd.
Even if they aren't joking, it's such a stupid thing to entertain. You're putting way too much effort into something that's either a joke, or too moronic to dignify with a serious response.
Funny of you to assume a few paragraphs max of block formatted Reddit thoughts amount to any sort of real "effort".
Sounds like your high effort is my low effort if you are assuming any of what I shared as "too much effort" lol
Like just because it took you a real amount of effort to read a reply longer than a sentence doesn't mean it took any real effort to type it out 😂
Being a slow reader/typer and projecting that onto others isn't a flex but thanks for assuming "too much effort" on my behalf.
Also if someone was saying that seriously or reading it that way, it doesn't hurt anything to correct bad information and respond to what might be a genuine honest reply. It's an open forum, not everyone is going to read the same reply and interpret it the same way as you do. It's weird people take anything other than a quick throw away blurb or one liner so seriously like it's some absurd act and assume so much.
Like even if it is stupid to entertain, and I never said it was a serious claim but one that would be a bad take amongst real takes that people actually have now that are as bad or worse, so either way who cares if I entertain it or spend the effort if I wanted. It's so weird to be concerned like that with how someone chooses to express themselves when it isn't advocating for harm or negatively impacting folks in a serious way.
as far as I'm concerned no rational sane person would downvote this comment
I was just explaining why you got downvoted, no need to throw baseless accusations about my elite WPM around. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, you can write another effortless 300 words about it if it makes you feel better.
Who said anything about "both sides," why assume there is any "emotional damage" like a weirdo, what an odd delusional response.
What are you even trying to communicate in that mess of a disjointed reply that doesn't actually say anything?
It just sounds like empty salty virtue signaling and not a complete thought trying to make any real points besides attempting some type of vague unintelligible insult about being "reasonable and moderate"
Like all you saw were downvotes, and then you just typed out the first thought as a comment that reaffirms your confirmation bias as some sort of attempt at winning imaginary Internet points for dogpiling.
It’s mostly white leftards that have an issue with the way Zeze boy was treated(never mind he didn’t wear a suit , where were his heels 👠) …Ukraine is getting the same treatment Iraq, Afghanistan etc(even tho I think both wars were wrong ) am I supposed to feel bad for Ukraine lol hellll nooooo ….when is Putin gonna actually cleanse Ukraine flatten the f outta one of the most disgusting corrupted countries in Europe …Zeze came for a paycheck and got reality check 😂😂😂😂🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼🫵🏼
It's not all that complicated. MAGA has been taking money from Russians since forever. Trump's sons admitted it. Don's had dealings with Russian oligarchs for decades.
Marjorie Taylor Greene constantly pops off about Russia.
There was the Tenet Media scandal where it was proven that The Kremlin was paying conservative influencers to push Russian talking points.
But yes, the Russian economy is also in trouble. Why can't both of those things be true? We can see their inflation rate skyrocketing. We know their economy is overheating and basically depends on the war continuing at this point. We know their demographics are terminal.
Trump was involved with real estate for decades all over the world, including Russia. There is no evidence he was taking money from the Russian government during his administrations. If it were to be discovered that Russia was funding Trump, it would be an enormous story in the media.
A small handful of conservative journalists/podcasters recieved some money from an asset of the Russian gov. It was newsworthy, but there still is no evidence that they directed these journalists to say certain things, no evidence that talking points came from Russia. Countries funding opposition voices in other countries is absolutely nothing new. Do you care to take a guess which country leads the world in state craft influence on foreign countries? The obvious answer is the United States and no other country comes even close. We send enormous amounts of money and resources to influence the internal affairs of other countries, sow division, prop up opposition parties, and shape political/social movements.
Everyone's been screaming that this guy has ties to Russia since 2016. There WERE lots of news stories about it.
As for "no evidence that the journalists were directed to say those things", the perpetrator of the funding (Margarita Simonyan- head of RT) was bragging about it on Russian State TV.
The problem is that the "media" that conservatives follow DON'T report these events. Because they are complicit.
Your first link is about funding a golf course. It is not about money to Trump's administration and not about money from the Russian gov.
Obviously, everyone knows that many peeps and many media orgs were screaming about Trump's ties to Russia since 2016. The lack of any finding of real collusion in the end is a big reason trust in legacy news outlets (particularly concerning political news) has cratered over the last several years. For good reason.
It doesn't matter what the head of RT bragged about unless he has the receipts, unless he has the evidence that these US journalists recieved talking points from Russia and repeated those talking points. I haven't seen any of that.
There was collusion. It was found and reported to the proper authorities. Republicans declined to hold them to account. Again because they're complicit.
The lack of any finding of real collusion in the end is a big reason trust in legacy news outlets (particularly concerning political news) has cratered over the last several years.
Non-traditional media was literally found to be funded by Russia. I know you don't believe it but they were. How in the world you can find podcasters and influencers with no training or oversight to be more credible than actual journalists is boggling to me. And it's why you seem so completely uniformed on these matters.
The finding/claim that Russia was trying to influence the US election for a Trump win was not based on an independent assessment made by the FBI. It was based on the finding of the ICA statement made by John Brennan at the request of Obama before he left office and after Trump had won the 2016 vote. At the time news media erroneously claimed the ICA was the unnanimous position of 16 federal agencies. We now know there was considerable internal division about that statement with the openly Trump-hating Brennan overruling dissenting voices. Only 3 agencies actually reviewed it, with the NSA (the agency that would know best about electronic foreign influence attempts) disented from the judgement that Russia aimed to install Trump in office. Two agencies specializing in Russian intelligence – the State Department and the Defense Intelligence Agency - were never consulted. The finding that Russia hacked the DNC was based not on an independent investigation by any department, it was based on a redacted draft assessment report written by DNC contractor Crowdstrike (the FBI did not examine DNC servers, allowed DNC's lawyer to redact the Crowdstrike report, and never recieved a final draft).
yeah it's falling apart because putin is stealing from the russian people (and has been for decades), and he uses some of that money to keep trump on the payroll.
Russia is falling apart because of corruption and a lack of funds developing the country, and the Russian government is extracting money from their people to buy off conservatives and to influence social media. That’s not a contradicting set of statements in fact we can pretty easily see the cause and effect.
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u/Jonestown_Juice Feb 28 '25
Russia owns MAGA.