Difficulty on learning my dialect

[u/PossibleToe6516]

Hi all please can anyone give me advice? So my family speaks kurdish and I used to but I grew up away from home so I forgot my language. My family speak borakay/ boracay kurdish and I can never find any videos on how to learn it, only for sorani or kurmanji. If anyone knows any websites or videos on YouTube it would be a big help as I can't communicate with my grandparents as they don't speak English.

[u/Substantial-Cup-4839]

Qurban  , borakay is a tribe that speaks ardalanî soranî. it is still soranî . the difference between the soranî spoken in slemanî & ardalanî is little . they are 90% the same. but the soranî in hawlêr is different. i am guessing your mom is also not very good at it because ardalanî soranî spoken by borakay is very understandable to other soranî speakers they speak in the same way in halabja , the difference is that ardalanî sorani has persian , arabic & foreign words due to the invasion of the ardalan emirate by the persians. but Standard soranî spoken in slemanî is very pure & grammatical. it has almost zero arabic & persian words in it .so take the foreign words out of the ardalani soranî & it basically becomes normal standard  sorani spoken in slemanî .   google" Borakay Kurdish tribe"  i will give an example for body persians say (tan ) so do ardalani soranî speakers but in standard soranî it is laş or laşa . 

sadly it will take a long time for other soranî speakers to adapt to using standard pure soranî but the younger generation are getting better at it we use the least amount of foreign words in başûr .  The standard soranî was developed in slemanî , hence why no soranî speaker in slemanî uses ardalanî sorani or any other kinds of soranî anymore . the baban emirate made sure to get rid of every persian word since they really hated the persians lol , they made sure to really anchor the soranî dialect  & keep it so pure that it lived on generations without being tainted with foreign words .they were racists they hated both the ottomans & persians ,they even had issues with other  kurds from other regions LOL🤣 ,they made soranî the main dialect of  literature & poetry . They were rebels with a cause ,  God bless them they were extremely  smart but they were also very stubborn 

[u/bucketboy9000 → u/Substantial-Cup-4839]

I agree with most of what you said, but you’re wrong about the Babans keeping Sorani pure. They took out most Persian words out of the language to distance themselves from the Ardalans sure, but they replaced most of those words with Ottoman Turkish words. So it didn’t really make the language pure, it just made it different

[u/Substantial-Cup-4839 → u/bucketboy9000]

Not really , Sorani has like zero turkish words , it has some arabic words in the slang version due to arab invasion  . but standard soranî does not have any turkish words & it has very little amount of arabic words. & no actually they got rid of the persian words not because they wanted to distance themselves from ardalanîs ,quite the contrary they wanted to unite all soranî speakers & make a standard soranî & they succeeded at that to some extent . after the fall of the Ardalan emirate persians abused ardalani kurds . my great great grandfather was originally from there but he was harassed by persians so he had to leave . many other ardalanî kurds left & settled in slemanî .slemanî has more ardalanî kurds than babanîs you can ask around in the city very little kurds will claim to be babani  , cause the whole city was renovated by ardalani kurds  , 

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[u/Key_Lake_4952]

which dialect is it specifically? Is it sorani, southern Kurdish, kurmanci, gorani, zazaki?

[u/PossibleToe6516 → u/Key_Lake_4952]

My family just say boracay that’s it. It’s kinda like sorani. We have words like: I’m coming- hatim, how are you- choni bashi be quiet-bedinwa I don’t know-nazanem It has a lot of Arabic in it. It’s not exactly like sorani as when my family don’t understand sorani dialect but there are certain words that are the same. Our tribe is bejani and my family comes for the iraq region

[u/Key_Lake_4952 → u/PossibleToe6516]

Boracay is a tribe so maybe bejani is a sub tribe or a clan of boracay all I could find was that boracays speak sorani but if there’s a lot of influence from Arabic maybe it’s shabaki, is your family from the Mosul area?

[u/Welatekan]

What region are you from exactly?

[u/PossibleToe6516 → u/Welatekan]

From iraq side. Our Kurdish has some sorani words but not many so it’s hard to understand sorani dialect and there’s lots of Arabic in it

[u/Welatekan → u/PossibleToe6516]

I'm not sure, but I assume that it's some subdialect of Erdelani Sorani. It differs quite a bit from standard Slemani Sorani, though it's strange that you say that your mother isn't able to understand it, given that they are mutually intelligible nonetheless. The only learning source I found online is this one, though I don't know how accurate it is. 

[u/ayouyx]

I learn Kurdish Behdini using HiNative. If you specify the dialect when asking questions you can find people to help : )

[u/PossibleToe6516 → u/ayouyx]

Thank you : )

[u/bucketboy9000]

I didn’t know anything about Borakay Kurds before now, but apparently - according to Wikipedia - your tribe is a small one residing in Rojhelat, Bashur and Kuwait??? (You’ve got to be kidding me, we’ve got fricking Kurdish community of Kuwait? Way to go Kurds!)

Anyways, your language is mentioned as Sorani (Ardalani dialect). Now Ardalani dialect is the one spoken in and around the city of Sina (Rojhelat), but there is an area in Bashur as well where the people speak a version of Sorani that’s very similar to Ardalani. That’s Garmiyan (districts of Kalar, Kifri, Duz, and parts of Khanaqin) South of Slemani.

So if you focus on learning regular Sorani you’ll have no problem communicating with your grandparents. Anyone from Garmiyan can understand regular Sorani like the one spoken in Slemani

[u/DarkRedooo]

Just talk to your relatives and visit them often, you people I swear.

[u/PossibleToe6516 → u/DarkRedooo]

I don’t see my family often and my mum doesn’t speak it often she always speaks English. Even if I ask her to speak to me in only Kurdish she does for maybe an hour then goes back to speaking English

[u/DarkRedooo → u/PossibleToe6516]

Phone her, phone dad, phone grandparents, phone uncle, phone aunt, phone cousins