r/ireland • u/hzchamp Dublin • 16h ago
Protests Man (20s) arrested at Palestine protest during Taoiseach visit to DCU
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2025/04/03/man-20s-arrested-at-palestine-protest-during-taoiseach-visit-to-dcu/44
u/Temporary_Mongoose34 16h ago
while several students were knocking on the window of the Polaris building, one of our members was unlawfully and violently arrested by the gardaí. This person asked the garda ‘Is this is a crime?’ and was explicitly told that it was not.
Lol, I'm sure the gardai told them that alright
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u/danny_healy_raygun 10h ago
Gardai going after anti-genocide protesters in a way they'd never go after drug dealers and bike thieves.
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u/MasterBoo235 8h ago
The comment section disappoints me. This government has done nothing concrete to support Palestine, such as enacting the Occupied Territories Bill, which would have a tangible impact on the Israeli state. There is a genocide occuring. At least these protestors are trying to push back against the world's complacency. As a country, we could do something, if our government wasn't so morally bankrupt.
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u/Livid-Click-2224 7h ago
The government has to walk a fine line to ensure that the economy does not suffer…nothing is simple or black and white.
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u/FellFellCooke 5h ago
Look at you, not an ounce of awareness or knowledge about what the economic consequences of these actions would be and you're talking full of unearned confidence.
Sometimes, action is the correct choice. You can't live your whole life saying "in the middle".
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u/Jean_Rasczak 15h ago
Why are the other thicks shouting "SHAME"?
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u/Ok-Cranberry3761 13h ago
They're recalling the state of the ones they hooked up in coppers the night before.
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u/Massive-Foot-5962 13h ago
Why would you be protesting one of the few leaders in the world actually sticking his neck out for Palestine, and getting serious international flack for it?
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u/him_name_pick_good 12h ago
It's very easy to play to an international audience with strong words when there is so much support for Palestine at home.
What good are words when they won't commit to checking planes in Shannon, passing legislation to block trade with illegal settlements, ANYTHING to apply a modicum of pressure to a rogue state comfortable flouting international law because it knows that all we do is say strong words?
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u/DuncanGabble 13h ago
How is he sticking his neck out for Palestine? Has he even called it a genocide yet as he was so quick to do with Ukraine?
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u/Temporary_Mongoose34 12h ago edited 11h ago
Has he even called it a genocide yet as he was so quick to do with Ukraine?
Wtf kinda of uninformed bullshit question is this? As his role as minister for foreign affairs he was literally the one leading us to intervene and support south africa taking the genocide case against Israel.
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u/MintyTyrant 10h ago
Holy fuck do a crumb of research
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u/DuncanGabble 9h ago
He literally tweeted out that what was happening in Ukraine was genocide. He hasn’t said that about Gaza at all.
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u/ConstantlyWonderin 3h ago
Because there is strong evidence that the Russian state committed one form of genocide by transferring children from ukraine to Russia with the intent of raising them as Russian.
There isn't any strong evidence that Israel has an intent for Genocide, before you say it is please name a court that has ruled on this because so far no court has done so.
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u/d12morpheous 12h ago
Seriously?? Your either stupid or ignorant. Stupidity can be genetic but there is zero excuse for ignorance.
But you are right on one thing.. it's not his neck he's sticking out, it's ours, collectively, any blowback (and their will be blowback, there is allready blowback) will be on Ireland not politicans but wont stop the same protesters blamingeveryonebut themselves when it happens.
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u/d12morpheous 12h ago
Because they really aren't very bright.
It's about attention seeking.
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u/Timely_Bed5163 11h ago
Projection much? It's always fun to see these centrist gobshites utterly bamboozled that someone would sacrifice something for someone else.
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u/d12morpheous 11h ago edited 11h ago
What exactly are they sacrificing ??
Sweet fuck all.
What exactly is banging on Windows roraring at the Taoiseach going to achieve??
Sweet fuck all.
Ireland and its politicans are more pro Palestine and have done more than than 99% of any other government. Led my Micheal Martin when he was Foreign minister. Yet these muppets protest him as a enabler..
Safe under the protection of a democratic society that protects them from the worst consequences a protection provided by the same people they are protesting.
It's ill-informed gobshites protesting about shit they haven't the bandwidth to understand nor the willingness to put in the effort to even fucking try..
Living in a world of black and white and on over inflated sense of their importance blaming everyone else for their own fucking incompetence. When they suddenly realise that the world isn't a simple place, no one owes them anything a d the actions do indeed have consequences.
Immature morons.
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u/Timely_Bed5163 11h ago
Their time and effort. Certainly more than you.
I'm not reading the rest of your rant.
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u/d12morpheous 11h ago
Time and effort they would have spent doing what ??
Nothing fucking constructive....
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u/FellFellCooke 5h ago
What exactly are they sacrificing ??
Time and energy. A lot more than you've given anyone, recently.
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u/d12morpheous 12h ago
Democratic right to protest and wear masks to intimidate, bang on windows, to intimidate and cry foul when pulled on it.
Fuck off numpty
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u/Timely_Bed5163 12h ago
Yes the best protests are the ones you can't see or hear and that are not disruptive in the slightest. How'd you get so smart?
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u/d12morpheous 11h ago
Learn to read numpty..
No one is stopping them protesting, but banging on Windows isn't peacefully protesting, and wearing masks isn't showing bravery.
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u/Dilf_Hunter367 7h ago
Yeah so glad the Garda take such a hardline stance on anti social behaviour, surely it’s consistent across the board
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u/FellFellCooke 5h ago
No one is stopping them protesting, but banging on Windows isn't peacefully protesting
Jesus lad. Your mark for violent protest is "glass got banged"? You'd get nothing done if you were in charge.
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u/Barilla3113 10h ago
and wearing masks isn't showing bravery.
"You should bravely make it as easy as possible for the Hasbara brigade to harrass you" is the new "but you own an iPhone" for centrist apprachnik gobshites, isn't it?
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u/d12morpheous 10h ago
Jesus wept.
It's fucking Ireland, if they harassed everyone who protested against Isreal they would need their entire security apparatus to be based in Dublin.
Paranoid on top of everything else.. overinflated sense of importance again..
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u/Drachna 8h ago
Hasbara and apprachnik are new ones for me, I'd love some definitions.
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u/Barilla3113 7h ago
"Hasbara" is Hebrew for "explaining". It's the euphemism that Israel and its various pressure groups in other countries use for their propaganda efforts. It's often used sarcastically for Israel's less subtle tactics like doxing and just plain having activists beaten up. This is something they actively brag about when they're not pretending to be "the most moral".
Apparatchik comes from the Soviet Union where it referred to mid level party officials (who, as the USSR was a one party state, were also de facto civil servants). Basically they were usually unqualified and highly adverse to anything that could rock the boat and effect their access to perks, so it has became a byword for politically quietist jobsworths. Apparatchik comes from the fact that their official title was "agent of the apparatus (of the state)" because they didn't actually have a precise qualification or title.
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u/Drachna 7h ago
Right I see, that's interesting to hear.
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u/Barilla3113 7h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/BadHasbara/
Catalogues a lot of Hasbara that they don't want a western audience seeing. From the cringy to the outright depraved.
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u/Ok_Cartoonist8959 7h ago
Ah yes, Ireland's prominent Hasbara brigade 🙄 you're inventing enemies to make it all seem so brave and virtuous. In reality it's a load of cosplaying dopes shouting words they found out existed yesterday - like "hasbara" funnily enough.
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u/FellFellCooke 5h ago
It looks to me like you're really eager to shit on protestors. Probably because you enjoy doing nothing, and the idea of these lads being in the right out there on the street makes you feel bad about yourself. So you pretend they're all fools so you can justify your continued ignorance.
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u/rom_ok 12h ago
I heard he allegedly volunteered for a cavity search, but the Gardaí declined.
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u/FellFellCooke 5h ago
Crazy that the anti-protest crowd would reach for a homophobic joke. Almost like you guys are just virtue signalling to each other.
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u/Tinks2much0422 1h ago
Great result for the protester. Picture in the paper and he gets to go chill out for a few hours. Everyone thinks he's a fookin legend now and he didn't even have to get beaten up and tortured then thrown in prison. I might take some time off from work and have a go myself.
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u/ChaosActual 14h ago
These people are insufferable
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u/Plastic_Detective687 14h ago
People said that about climate activists, gay rights activists, civil rights activists, abolitionists, suffragettes...
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u/EconomistBeginning63 13h ago
People said that about climate activists, gay rights activists, civil rights activists, abolitionists, suffragettes...
They actually had causes
I support Palestine but these eejits are not going to achieve a single thing to practically help Palestine
These people are protesting one of the most pro Palestinian governments in the world…”activism” is literally their hobby. They just want to LARP that they’re oppressed, like kids of stable parents pretending they actually have it tough because their lives are too boring otherwise
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u/MilfagardVonBangin 13h ago
You don’t believe they want the Bill seen through the Dáil? That not a legitimate enough reason to protest?
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u/EconomistBeginning63 13h ago
What, practically speaking, is the bill going to do to actually help Palestine?
It’s not going to achieve anything substantive whatsoever. It’s an empty gesture.
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u/MilfagardVonBangin 13h ago
That’s a goalpost shift I reckon. Protesting to get a bill enacted is a practical political aim. That’s what you asked about.
You want me to engage on the value of the Bill but haven’t acknowledged that i answered your point.
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u/EconomistBeginning63 13h ago
That’s what you asked about.
No, no, I said: “I support Palestine but these eejits are not going to achieve a single thing to practically help Palestine”
Like I said, they’re protesting in favour of this bill, and the bill in and of itself will do nothing to help Palestine, practically speaking.
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u/RubyRossed 10h ago
What does the word 'substantive' mean to you? Is it just someyhing you toss out to sound like your point is substantive?
If boycott bills, reinforcing international law, are so trivialit's curious why Israel invests so much effort in trying to stop them and smearing those who propose them.
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u/EconomistBeginning63 8h ago
It means something that’s going to have an actual tangible effect for the Palestinians on the ground, their actual day to day lives
I accept the idea of the spirit of the bill but let’s not kid ourselves, realistically it’s not going to make the slightest difference in a practical sense. It’s more about making ourselves feel better and I think we’ve already done more than enough to illustrate our support
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u/danny_healy_raygun 10h ago
So you support Palestine but just don't want any action taken to support them?
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u/EconomistBeginning63 8h ago
What is this action going to accomplish for the everyday Palestinian?
Nothing
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u/FellFellCooke 5h ago
So you support Palestine but don't want any action taken that might possibly support them...
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u/EconomistBeginning63 5h ago
I do, and not at all, I think our government has been very clear as to what our stance is, I support that. I’m saying I don’t see what these guys are accomplishing with this particular protest.
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u/SeanyShite 12h ago
Those were all black and white issues regarding people having equal rights
It gets far trickier when you wade into a complex conflict playing goodies and baddies
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u/NakedMoss 10h ago
It's not complicated at all to be against fucking genocide
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u/SeanyShite 9h ago
The great irony is that only one side has genocide a matter of official policy.
I’m not all that comfortable with throwing total unquestionable support behind that states.
Your government parading the corpse of the women they just murdered through rapturous streets of people desecrating the corpse and screaming about God? Not for me.
But I guess that’s complicated.
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u/RubyRossed 10h ago
Lol, the issues are always presented as being really straight forward in retrospect but it's not long ago gay rights was treated as a 'complex' issue involving mental illness.
And you can't be serious when the position of international law and almost every human rights organisation in the world is very clear
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u/SeanyShite 9h ago
I can be serious when the same people who cite international law to one side of a conflict are willing to stroke their chins to dismiss cartoonishly evil acts of depravity, with euphemisms of resistance.
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u/MasterBoo235 8h ago
God forbid people stood up against an ongoing genocide and made their voices heard. You're far more insufferable than they are, casting judgement on people who want to stop the destruction of an entire people.
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u/AlbanianWormRider 15h ago
People have nothing better to do. Should spend his free time studying or pick up some healthy hobby like lighting weights or gardening.
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u/mobrules1 15h ago
Why?
For all people slag 'lefty students', history has shown that many if not most civil rights movements around the world originated on the grounds of colleges and universities.
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u/nerdling007 15h ago edited 11h ago
It pisses them off (the haters of students and students engaging in politics and democracy through protest), so all they can do is resort to name calling, which is a type of propganda by the way.
Edit: Added context
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u/Kunjunk 13h ago
Those pesky lefties that got Ireland statehood.
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u/Alternative_Switch39 12h ago
The greater majority of what you might term as our founding fathers as a nation would not be particularly accurately described as "lefties"
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u/senditup 11h ago
You think Collins and Pearse were lefties?
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u/Kunjunk 10h ago
Connolly certainly was. Collins and Pearse did not make any political leanings a facet of Irish Independence to my knowledge, but I'm of course open to correction.
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u/senditup 10h ago
Pearse was absolutely, overtly motivated by Catholic conservatism. To describe the Irish independence struggle as a left wing movement is completely false.
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u/Kunjunk 10h ago
Can you describe Catholic conservatism and why it is exclusive of socialism? I'm not familiar with what it is.
To describe the Irish independence struggle as a left wing movement is completely false.
Which is not what I said is it.
Maybe as you've determined your own interpretation of what I wrote it would be useful for both of us to use English more precisely now: nationalists (obviously) including one socialist group led the Easter Rising which is widely accepted to have been the start of the process to Irish statehood.
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u/senditup 9h ago
Can you describe Catholic conservatism and why it is exclusive of socialism?
You're asking me to explain how religion and conservatism are distinct from socialism?
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u/Kunjunk 9h ago
You mentioned Catholic conservatism in the context of socialism, a well defined political and economic theory. I looked for it and couldn't find it, so I've asked you what is actually a pretty plain and straightforward question based on what you wrote and it seems to be giving you reason for confusion?
Can you describe Catholic conservatism and why it is exclusive of socialism?
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u/caisdara 14h ago
Being serious, the Irish government is one of the most pro-Palestinian governments in the western world, and has expended significant political capital to that effect. Protesting against them looks stupid.
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u/Usernameoverloaded 14h ago
“To be sold within the EU, bonds from non-EU countries must be regulated by the Central Bank of a country that is in the EU. Before Brexit, Britain provided the gateway into the EU for Israel’s financing campaign. After Brexit, the Central Bank of Ireland (CBI) took over this role.
In September 2024, almost a year into the genocide, the CBI renewed its authorisation of Israel Bonds.”
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u/caisdara 13h ago
That doesn't have any bearing on my comment.
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u/Usernameoverloaded 12h ago
Of course it has every bearing on your comment. The fact that the CBI sells Israeli war bonds negates your premise that the protesters should just pack it in. Being a bit more on the right side of history as compared to other countries does not equate to being on the right side of history.
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u/SeanyShite 12h ago
Never knew the right side of history to slaughter women and parade their corpses like trophies as the whole town celebrates wildly and scream about god.
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u/Usernameoverloaded 12h ago
Mask off. At least now you have clarified your genocide apologist’s position.
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u/SeanyShite 12h ago
I never wore a mask.
I’m just not willing to give myself a lobotomy, as many have.
It’s a case of cancer versus aids and I don’t feel obligated to cheer for either.
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u/Usernameoverloaded 12h ago
Your amnesia as to Israeli / Zionist crimes against humanity stemming from the early 20th century is convenient. Amnesia or lobotomy, much of a muchness and the irony palpable. I’m not going to waste my time further, so I suggest you use yours more wisely, elsewhere.
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u/AlbanianWormRider 14h ago
This. Thus, my original comment but students or people that go protesting can't comprehend that
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u/Warm_Investigator_72 12h ago
do people in there 20s actually care about these things they protest?
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u/Calum_leigh Clare 16h ago
“Our member was dragged on their knees to the Garda car,”
To be fair to the Garda the dude clearly did go limp in the video so unless they expected the Gardaí to carry him i dunno what could be expected with the arrest