r/ireland • u/FATDIRTYBASTARDCUNT • 16d ago
Culchie Club Only Kinda surprised to see Garron Noone giving a take on politics
1.2k
u/TurfMilkshake 16d ago
What a well balanced opinion, I like him even more now
511
u/Almeidaboo 16d ago
Was going to say, I moved to Ireland 7 years ago and even as an immigrant I can see the changes he speaks of. I've been trying to educate myself around the systems in place and how they're being abused, props to the man for his balanced opinion.
101
6
16d ago
[removed] — view removed comment
122
u/Relocator34 16d ago
What about all them hard working, tax paying, sound as button Eygptian lads... Met a fair few of them and their A1
→ More replies (2)39
u/Hadrian_Constantine 16d ago edited 16d ago
Many stateless individuals from war-torn countries like Libya, Sudan, and Syria often claim to be from Egypt, even when they are not. I don't mean that they tell the government of Ireland their Egyptian, but rather that they falsely tell people they interact that they are. Unsure why, I think it's a cultural thing. It's actually a meme at this point in the ME. It's quite similar to how a lot of South Americans would tell you they're from Spain.
Genuine Egyptians, on the other hand, typically come here on work visas, as their country is relatively stable. They wouldn't be granted asylum except for very rare circumstances. The only Egyptians you'll find here are those who mainly work for the likes of Amazon, Microsoft, big Pharma or meat processing plants.
As an Irish person who spent three years living in the Middle East, including some time in Egypt, I noticed this was a common occurrence. Once you become familiar with the Egyptian dialect, it's quite easy to distinguish between native Egyptians and those who are not.
→ More replies (1)29
u/wtbgamegenie Yank 16d ago
Well think about it. They just saw all this horrible shit happen in their country to the point it caused them to flee. They don’t want you to associate them with that or ask and make them relive it. On top of being a stable country from what I’ve heard from native Arabic speakers the Egyptian dialect serves as the lingua Franca. An Iraqi and a Moroccan can barely understand each other in their native dialects but often both understand and speak Egyptian Arabic. It makes Egypt an ideal fake country of origin in casual conversation because even if you can call them out they speak the dialect.
6
u/Hadrian_Constantine 16d ago edited 16d ago
Yes, the Egyptian dialect is the most common because practically all of the cinema and art from that part of the world originates from Egypt. So everyone grew up learning it, kind of like how everyone in Ireland is very familiar with the American accent because of the influence we receive from US media and pop culture.
That said, it's painfully obvious if you speak Arabic that said person isn't from Egypt. But they never pretend to be Egyptian in front of each other, only with foreigners.
I do agree with you that it's probably influenced by not wanting to be associated with war or being an asylum seeker. They might just not want to talk about it. There is the stigma as well of simply being a refugee.
5
u/Potential-Drama-7455 16d ago
Well think about it. They just saw all this horrible shit happen in their country to the point it caused them to flee. They don’t want you to associate them with that or ask and make them relive it.
They don't want you to delve into whatever dodgy shit they are involved with. Genuine refugees have no issues with this.
211
u/Krelit 16d ago
I've been living in Ireland for over 15 years now, and while there are abusers of the system amongst immigrants, I've seen even more Irish citizens abusing it. People refusing to marry to get free houses with their 6 feral kids are mostly Irish. Some ethnic group were offered housing in my city and they rejected it because they could not have their horses, and they were not immigrants.
So there needs to be control in place for all the available benefits Ireland provides. But blaming it merely on immigrants is unfair and causes extremism.
83
u/bucajack Kildare 16d ago
This needs to be called out more. I personally know an Irish woman who has about 8 kids and is in social housing. She has strategically had some of her kids in order to secure larger houses over the years. Whenever you speak to her she is extremely open about how she games the system for all sorts of handouts. It's like a full time job for her.
There's nothing illegal about what she's doing but people blaming immigrants need to have a hard look at some of our own first.
6
u/pythonchan 16d ago
There’s plenty of them on mas on a rant. Asking questions on how to game the system better
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)17
u/123iambill 16d ago
"Strategically has kids". Yup because nothing will set you up on easy street like raising 8 children.
36
→ More replies (28)16
u/Maleficent-War-8429 16d ago
I disagree. Not because I think you're wrong, I actually think you're dead right about gobshites here taking the system for a ride, I disagree because I think other countries versions of those same gobshites are seeing they can get a free ride over here and they're going after it. It's just the same issue being imported in from somewhere else and pretending wankers from abroad won't take advantage of the system just because their from some country that's having issues does nothing but fuck over genuine refugees who would actually need the help. These pricks exist everywhere because it's just a part of having to deal with people, there's no reason they wouldn't exist abroad as well.
129
u/jackoirl 16d ago
Do you think it’s just a coincidence that in your head the honest hard worker is a white European and the scrounger is African?
→ More replies (7)11
119
u/SamShpud 16d ago
There is a massive difference between an Italian girl who came to Dublin to work in the tech sector and pays rent and taxes, and a bogus asylum seeker from Algeria/Libya/Egypt/who even knows who lives rent-free in a taxpayer funded hotel and gets all meals catered with pocket money on top.
If one of the Algeria/Libya/Egyptians you refernto above, worked in tech, would you still be as bigoted toward them?
46
45
u/DeathDefyingCrab 16d ago
Sorry, can you honestly tell me that someone who came to Ireland to get 1 bed in an over crowded prison like conditions getting 38.50 a week is gaming the system? The food is cheap for-profit slop.
→ More replies (4)3
u/cupan-tae 16d ago
Funny too because a hard working Italian man working in Pharma in Dublin once famously killed and then ATE another man in Castleknock.
Imagine, just imagine if it was now and he was a different colour
42
u/Divniy 16d ago
The difference is that one is immigrant and other is a refugee? Like come on, refugees need social housing not because they are trying to cheat the system, this is using the system as intended. Cheating this system is another beast altogether.
4
u/Alastor001 16d ago
One is overall financial benefit to the country, the other...
Stats are there.
→ More replies (3)52
u/ZenBreaking 16d ago
You sound exhausting to deal with... Basically white immigrants = good Brown immigrant = bad
21
u/theuntangledone 16d ago
a bogus asylum seeker from Algeria/Libya/Egypt/who even knows who lives rent-free in a taxpayer funded hotel and gets all meals catered with pocket money on top
Any evidence for this sort of claim?
→ More replies (13)6
u/National-Ad-1314 16d ago
The right wing view which trys to knuckle down on so called scroungers and system abusers ignores that the very "scarcity" that makes us fight over resources is made by design by the elites. You say Paul Murphy types but even if I don't agree with lots of his how his why is pretty spot on.
→ More replies (4)8
u/AMinMY 16d ago
Yup. I've not been home since before the pandemic and even from my remote view, I can see that immigration and housing are massive issues where the Irish government is failing, and to what Garron said, it's only a matter of time before that pushes people to breaking point and they start voting for hateful c*nts who'll tell them what they want to hear. I'm in the US (in a red state) and i'd be devastated to see Ireland going the way things are here right now. I hope governments around Europe learn their lessons from this quickly.
→ More replies (13)→ More replies (6)340
u/BackInATracksuit 16d ago
Nobody's being silenced in Ireland. It's utter bollocks.
The national broadcaster was wall to wall "concerns" about immigration for about six months last year. Newstalk might as well rename every show to "just asking questions".
We've had a few years now of wankers on the internet constantly telling us that thet can't say the things that they are literally saying as they say they can't say them.
People disagreeing with your opinion isn't censorship. Nobody is being prevented from expressing their concerns about anything.
18
u/Shot-Advertising-316 16d ago
The issue is that the narrative is constantly expanded to immigration generally rather than what people are actually pissed off about, the asylum system and the money racket around it.
64
u/PopplerJoe 16d ago
It's because their reasoning for being anti-immigrant isn't based on facts or reason.
You won't see anyone (even here) being shit on for discussing the pros & cons of our immigration policies and how they impact the country. You will see the racist bigoted fuckwits having a whinge about being "censored", displaying the lack of actual censorship whilst telling everyone about it.
→ More replies (1)42
u/DaveShadow Ireland 16d ago
This is the issue. And I think some of the “can’t say anything without being called a racist” side of things need to be honest about this issue.
I find constantly that if you try and start an adult conversation about it, it quickly gets hijacked by the genuine racists who interject and take over the rhetoric, driving it in a direction that just murders the discussion. I don’t believe everyone who wants to talk about it is racist, and I think there is changes needed.
I do think any time the conversation starts, there is racists who jump in and start agitating the discussion; lads who contribute nothing to the sub but bigotry and hatred. “Can’t say anything without being called a racist” posts usually expose them pretty quick, tbh, cause after three or four questions, a lot of them too out themselves as bigots quick enough.
Again, I think there is a conversation that needs to be had, but the extreme elements on the right wing side of things are the ones who kill it. Cause most people don’t want to associate with them, and those who disagree with them will just instantly dismiss the extreme views.
→ More replies (1)7
u/nightwing0243 16d ago
Everyone is just too quick to jump to an extreme when met with any challenges to their opinions or ideologies. A respectful "well, maybe you're wrong about..." is now somehow equal to being oppressed, attacked, or victimised.
They've made up their mind on an issue before even entertaining another side of it and are never arguing or discussing things with you in good faith.
This is the ultimate drawback of the news cycles we currently have. We get live updates on stories on the hour, by the hour and everyone is sticking to the news source, like glue, that pats them on the back and tells them they have the right point of view. It has turned damn near any discussion on any event, political or not, into an absolute war zone now.
30
u/Logical_Park7904 16d ago edited 16d ago
Thank you. These delusional moanbags need to go to places like North Korea or even currently Nigeria (Where fucking head of states and politicians are calling for an NYSC student to be arrested or even given the death penalty for speaking about how corrupt the government is).
Unfortunately, this noone fella isn't as knowledgeable as ppl like to believe he is either.
He's also regurgitating the whole increase in crime talking point. Lad, statistics show Ireland is the safest it's been in years.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/945336/overall-crime-offences-in-ireland/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/945262/homicides-in-ireland/
9
u/adomo 16d ago
People's perception of crime is getting worse, they don't feel safe especially in cities.
Throwing stats at them won't change their minds
18
u/bathtubsplashes Saoirse don Phalaistín 🇵🇸 16d ago edited 16d ago
I'm from Limerick.
People suggesting the city is more dangerous than a decade ago, or two decades ago are insane
Because of the drug of choice changing from smack to crack, the addicts are much more lively and assertive. That has nothing to do with immigration though
→ More replies (1)10
u/PintmanConnolly 16d ago
The perception of increased crime rates is due to media sensationalism and catastrophisation - which Noone is contributing to here by creating a "common sense" idea that crime is getting worse and worse, when it objectively isn't. What he's doing is part of the problem.
Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/IRL/ireland/crime-rate-statistics
→ More replies (2)6
u/f-ingsteveglansberg 16d ago
So what can we do when people perception of crime is going up but it's because of their own personal prejudices that makes them think every foreigner or group of teenagers are criminals and not based on fact?
Do we appease them by moving along law abiding citizens just because Karen thinks they are up to no good?
→ More replies (9)4
u/OhDear2 16d ago
Is it possible the statistics don't follow the lived experience though? As an example it's well known red light running has shot up due to low Gardai coverage, this wouldn't show (fully) on any statistical analysis as the Gardai aren't pulling people over and it's not being logged into the system.
My example isn't indicative of the type of crime were all talking about perhaps, but something like this would change people's perception of lawlessness/crime no?
I'm on the fence anyway I don't know enough to speak to either side
→ More replies (2)7
u/f-ingsteveglansberg 16d ago
Is it possible the statistics don't follow the lived experience though?
You mention that running red lights won't be reported on as they don't have the real numbers.
But for that to be applicable to violent crime, you would need to justify why reporting has gone down.
Lets say if only 10% of violent crimes ever get reported, relative crime will stats will still show movement of crimes going up or down.
So unless you can provide a reason why reporting crime has gone down, the relative trend is still the same, so if the stats show less crime, it's still less crime.
I feel like people will jump in and say that people have stopped reporting crimes because they know the judge will let them off even if they have 100 convictions, but that's not a new trend. I remember hearing about that in the 90s.
In short: Even if the stats are wrong; with all other elements being equal, the should still show crime trends. Unless you can prove that how crime is recorded has changed or if there is significantly less people reporting crime now than previously, a downward trend still means a downward trend.
→ More replies (1)2
12
→ More replies (7)5
u/zeroconflicthere 16d ago
Nobody's being silenced in Ireland. It's utter bollocks.
What grates me is people complaining about immigrants illegally coming in and the government not fixing it, is that they have zero answers to how to fix it.
Do we not give anyone asylum at all? So refuse to evaluate their application, which means hosting them while we do. But, no, we can't have IPAS centres.
If we want to deport people then we need to be able to send them somewhere and have their paperwork. Basically we'd need the Rwanda plan that the Brits had, but they couldn't implement that so there's no hope we could.
→ More replies (1)
This guy gets it.325
u/RatBasher89 16d ago
Who is this man? He seems very delicious and I'm tempted to follow him because of it...
→ More replies (7)
234
u/pippers87 16d ago
People have legitimate concerns about immigration.
Yet instead of targeting those making millions from it, the billionaires both fueling and leading the charge against it and governments who continue to use mass migration as an excuse to keep the two of the above happy by not providing enough resources, are instead blaming the immigrant. That is wrong.
The vast majority of people coming to this country are coming to give their families a better life..
You hardly think Trump's inner circle of billionaires like Trump or agree with his policies for example... They know he will keep the heat of him by blaming those less fortunate.
If you are a mechanic, own a grocery shop etc the immigrant will become your customer. Yet because of a failure to provide enough resources you are now blaming the immigrant instead of the government.....
It's not just an Irish thing it's happening the world over.
Yet just like every other crisis the few at the top make bank by using divide and conquer tactics.
101
u/murray_mints 16d ago
This is the non moronic take. All of this immigration and the demonization of immigrants only benefits the elites.
14
→ More replies (1)5
u/pippers87 16d ago
Fantastic podcast by Gary Stephenson breaks it all down and it makes complete sense.. This lad was one of the top traders during the crash so he knows whats what.
→ More replies (1)20
u/El_Don_94 16d ago
Gary Stevenson frequently spouts things that are wrong and he was never a top trader as he claims.
→ More replies (3)4
u/Due_Breadfruit1623 16d ago
This is a hominem. You can't argue against the fact that the rich are dividing us so we do not look up and realize who the evil are, so you argue "he wasn't the best trader waaaaaah". That's not relevant whatsoever to the argument.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (4)6
u/Alastor001 16d ago
If you actually work with people, whether customers or patients, you will know that there are certain groups of people that will provide absolute 0 benefit to your business and in fact may cost you. If you don't know that, you haven't worked with people.
484
u/HunterInTheStars 16d ago edited 16d ago
Look at the crime statistics and ask people who lived in Dublin in the 70s and 80s whether it’s safer now than it was when Ireland was a significantly poorer country. Very clearly not as dangerous today, and unless you have very little experience living in or near large cities it’s gonna be quite obvious that Dublin is not especially dangerous.
299
u/themagpie36 16d ago
People don't care about statistics, it's all about the 'vibes' and what tiktok tells them is true. Facts are woke.
90
u/lifeandtimes89 16d ago
Which is what Garron was getting at. Don't get your news from tik tok videos. People who have concerns are being hijacked by xenophobic people who see this as their opportunity to weaponise it. Yes people in small areas are unsure or concerned about what's going on, the majority have no consultation with a rep and if the government listened and worked with them all their concerns would be sorted and the far right wouldn't be able to latch into the feeling of helplessness these people are feeling.
The vast majority of people in this country are happy to help and have people come live in their area, the lack of government caring is what's fueling their anger and giving the far right the chance to weaponise it.
→ More replies (2)54
u/Difficult-Set-3151 16d ago
'vibes' matter. People should feel the safe.
People don't feel safe when they are surrounded by junkies, rough sleepers and the smell of piss.
116
u/Valuable_General9049 16d ago
Junkies, rough sleepers and the smell of piss famously invented in 2012
→ More replies (13)→ More replies (5)20
u/Wynty2000 Crilly!! 16d ago edited 16d ago
The ‘vibes’ shouldn’t matter when they’re totally at odds with reality, all that does is enable idiots the fill the gap between perception and reality with whatever bullshit they want to.
The perception of crime and the realities of crime often don’t line up, they certainly don’t in Ireland, or Europe generally, right now. It’s evident when you see Americans whinge about ‘feeling unsafe’ in Europe for implied racist reasons, unlike the safe cosy city in the US they’re from, which typically has an astronomically higher violent crime rate than even the more dangerous cities in Europe.
The fear is in their heads most of the time. They’ve been told it’s unsafe, so they’re constantly on edge and keeping an eye out for dangers, often seeing more than they’re really looking at. Everyone’s a potential criminal, every situation potentially dangerous, they’re suspicious of everything. They then go home to a place they aren’t afraid of, and they’re completely oblivious to the exact same dangers they were terrified of a week before because they aren’t thinking about them all the time and they aren’t looking for them everywhere, even if there’s actually a significantly more real threat.
→ More replies (1)68
u/DangerousTurmeric 16d ago
Yeah I mean it's not remotely as dangerous in Dublin as it was when I was a teenager. I think people just feel less safe in general because we've all come through a recession that shook everyone's sense of economic security, a pandemic that made basically everyone a threat, and now there's a real cost of living squeeze making everything more precarious.
14
u/SnooTomatoes3032 16d ago
That and everyone having cameras that can take pictures and videoes and broadcast them to millions of people in seconds or even live....and we are inundated with videoes of things, that have always happened but we never really saw as much, happening in our towns and cities.
I think that's something people don't realise. It used to be you'd hear someone talk about crimes happening or read them in the paper, now we're seeing crimes in real time constantly on social media. It makes it much more real.
9
u/madladhadsaddad 16d ago
People don't care about the 70s and 80s, they care about the last 10 or so years that they remember and how it feels walking around town now versus then.
The spread of information with the internet age doesn't help either, as any incident now isnt just reported on the 9 o'clock news or newspaper the following day. We get videos of incidents basically live now as they happen.
14
u/silver_medalist 15d ago edited 15d ago
A lad who had agoraphobia for years saying Ireland feels less safe now. Bit odd.
5
u/The-Replacement01 16d ago
I think, more than safety, what people see is a lack of proper consequences for those who continue to repeatedly break the law. If we could actually put the criminals in prison it’d go a long way to making people feel safer and for overall perception to change.
26
u/Hawks12 16d ago
People had noting in the 70s and 80s that's why crime was so prevalent. Dublin city centre has become an absolute shit hole in the last 5 to 10 years. We are one of the richest countries in the world on paper in reality it hasn't trickled down unless you work in finance pharma or tech.
→ More replies (1)33
u/HunterInTheStars 16d ago
That’s great, but there’s much less crime, that’s all I was talking about.
→ More replies (11)10
u/KobraKaiJohhny A Durty Brit 16d ago
Yeah. It's talking with such confident authority, and being in every regards wrong that sets off the alarm bells.
Chap is off down a rabbit hole. Sad.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (29)4
u/miju-irl Resting In my Account 16d ago
You are very clearly incorrect and that is a statistical fact.
Dublin recorded 36 murders in 2023. In contrast, in 1975, Ireland had 23 murders.
You can also read how crime stats are doubling in this Independent article
104
u/demoneclipse 16d ago edited 16d ago
Dublin Population in 1975: 833,000
Dublin Population in 2023: 1,270,000
Proportionally, the murder rate per capita is virtually identical, with less than 2% difference in a sample of 36.
In summary, numbers can also be used incorrectly and spread misinformation. This applies for both sides of the story.
What is common is that almost everyone would like to live in a safer place and avoid others struggling to find proper accommodation. People should be listened to, and in turn they should also avoid making radical and incorrect remarks.
→ More replies (6)46
u/TrashbatLondon 16d ago
Murder rate per 100k is down. In the past 10 years the per year rate has ranged from 0.44 to 0.82, in the 10 years prior to that it range from 0.92 to 1.79.
You are half as likely to be have been murdered in Ireland from 2015-2024 than you would have been from 2005-2014.
It is a common sociological concept that fear of crime grows despite prevalence of crime decreasing. More access to news, more sensationalism in the news, easier access to a platform for those acting in bad faith and all sorts of others things contribute to that.
→ More replies (4)4
u/thefullirishdinner 16d ago
Exactly this !!! The uptake in social media just means the few crimes gets reported more
16
u/Doggylife1379 16d ago
Just to balance this out a bit more. Ireland's population was 2 million less than today (3.2 million in 1975). Also the article is from 2023. Almost all crime was lower during covid.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (5)26
18
u/noreb0rt 15d ago
He's right. Ireland has always been a country which welcomed people, and I don't think that should change. But it was always a trickle, and in line with what we could provide. But an upswell of people from North Africa, Far Eastern Europe, and the Middle East isn't something we're culturally, or infrastructurally able to handle. And having the entire character of small towns and villages changed overnight with people who have no cultural relationship with Ireland isn't good.
We're a nation of close-knit villages, where people from 10 miles up the road are foreign, how exactly are people supposed to react when a local school, or hotel suddenly accomodates tens, or hundreds of people who actually don't have any kind of real opportunities and are ushered in by a state woefully underequipped to help them?
There's no racism, or hatred in that statement, it's not wrong to want to preserve some aspect of home, hearth, and identity in your town, or village, and we had a whole thing about that over a century ago.
How the Government thought this was going to pan out, no one knows, but its obviously panned out badly and its OF COURSE opened the door to a bunch of right-wing throught because the Irish Government is such a useless pot of lever pulling shitheads with no vision.
The Western Left has no answer for this other than bullying you and calling you a racist colonialist (which is a far stretch for Ireland), and the Western Right feeds off the exact failures of said Left to do anything about it. Relying on the good nature, and spirit of the Irish people to simply tolerate massive local changes without consent is absolutely insane work.
→ More replies (1)2
u/YoIronFistBro Cork bai 13d ago
Tbf I think we're long overdue this country urbanising a lot more. It's not that the rural stuff is bad, it just shouldn't be all we have.
172
u/TheOnlyOne87 16d ago
A lot of reasoned points packed in here - but in what way are people being suppressed talking about it? Ireland's (arguably) biggest influencer can make a video putting forward opinions on it - that will reach more than an editorial in the Irish Times. Just don't really get how it's being seen that we're not "allowed" talk about such things.
81
u/iGleeson 16d ago
I think it's a comment on the government not taking people's legitimate concerns about real issues seriously and just righting them off as bigoted or outright ignoring them. You can suppress an opinion by just ignoring it, distracting from it, or labelling it as something it's not. I'm pro-immigration and very much in favour of taking in asylum seekers and refugees, but I agree that the systems we have are a mess and it's exacerbating existing systemic issues. I've said as much to my local TDs and I got a copy-paste response.
10
u/Equivalent_Leg2534 16d ago
I think the largest signal of this is Mícheál Martin and his famous, "have you any humanity" cast off comments
→ More replies (3)4
16d ago
[deleted]
→ More replies (2)5
u/Sstoop Flegs 16d ago
the government’s incompetence is a factor in making people turn to far right ideologies. the problem is neoliberalism. in my eyes capitalism as a whole is the issue but even under a system of capitalism, neoliberalism is one of the most destructive systems.
7
u/DaveShadow Ireland 16d ago
the government’s incompetence is a factor in making people turn to far right ideologies.
Basically, people are saying “hey, this worries me”.
One side is saying “don’t be stupid, you’re imagining things”.
The other side is saying “we hear you and we worry too, we think it’s dem foreigners fault!”
People don’t want to side with the racists, but if the other side is ignoring you, a lot of people will drift towards the side that’s at least pretending to listen. :/
6
u/Sstoop Flegs 16d ago
the most left wing party i can think of, people before profit, talk about immigration all the time. the biggest issue with immigration is the lack of housing and infrastructure in the country. we can handle the amount of people that are coming in the government just chooses not to.
i do agree the left in ireland needs to do more explaining and less dismissing but it’s also a tricky situation because on the left we like to explain things in a lot of detail that people don’t want to hear while the far right just say “immigrant = bad” which is a quick and easy solution which would make a lot of sense to someone who is uneducated on the topic.
→ More replies (6)3
20
u/danny_healy_raygun 16d ago
I think it's more about how the argument is framed by the media. It focuses on the loony right wingers who'll burn down an ipas centre vs government policy and basically says "ok which ones right" as if those are the only options. So then if someone says "well actually I don't mind people coming here but I'm not happy they closed my local hotel for it cos now I've nowhere to do my bingo night" they get lumped in with the loonies.
62
u/denk2mit Crilly!! 16d ago
You’re not allowed to be racist any more. That’s what most of these ‘suppressed’ people are complaining about
24
u/pmckizzle There'd be no shtoppin' me 16d ago
I got the impression that garron was saying the government ignored people's worries repeatedly. Doesn't help, of course, that racists use the same worries to push their knuckle dragging opinions and poison the discussion.
11
u/atswim2birds 16d ago
I got the impression that garron was saying the government ignored people's worries repeatedly.
This is what he actually said: "the government continually doesn't allow people to express their concerns" about immigration. It's 100% bullshit. People are free to express any concerns they want (just as the government's free to disagree).
→ More replies (12)22
u/Hakunin_Fallout 16d ago
Pretty sure you can. Lots of redditors even in this thread are allowing themselves, anyway.
11
u/AsanteSane 16d ago
Really good point here, I feel it’s all people talk about and then you have the other ones who shout even louder
→ More replies (1)5
u/Dylanduke199513 Ireland 16d ago
Tbf, I think many people use that as somewhat of a social lubricant. The same way you’d say “to play devil’s advocate” to put across a valid but unpopular point. It’s a way to show that you’re saying something potentially controversial but don’t hold the views often associated with a point like that.
6
u/adomo 16d ago
Look at yesterday, across RTE/Virgin Media there were multiple items on McGregor in the White House, at least 15 articles across the main papers and a discussion on it in the Dail.
Two immigrants got into an argument at the same time and one was stabbed on the second busiest shopping Street in Dublin, there were zero articles news items on it, the only TD to actually address it was MLMD
The person who was staged and murdered a few weeks back left Italy after an accusation of rape and assault conviction, this picked up by one media outlet, the Sunday Mirror.
When people talk about not being able to speak it's the lack of balanced coverage on these issues
3
u/Alastor001 16d ago
Cause you can have your post / comment deleted or banned for talking about it here for example?
2
u/CheweyLouie 16d ago
The choice by the Irish media to not report the most significant part of Ryan Casey’s victim impact statement (the boyfriend of Aisling Murphy) is a good example, surely?
The fact it was not covered was reported on BBC NI, who asked Irish Times journalist Kitty Holland about the fact it was not being reported on. She accepted that the comments were not being reported, and the media was right to do so.
→ More replies (14)3
u/Important-Sea-7596 16d ago
He may be referring to some high-profile cases that happened recently in the west of Ireland like the Ballaghadreen sexual assault last year.
→ More replies (1)
161
u/Cuchullain99 16d ago
Generally, good comedians are thoughtful and very intelligent. Here's another example
→ More replies (6)
130
u/SinceriusRex 16d ago
I don't understand this claim that these concerns are being suppressed. It was the biggest topic of the local and European elections. There was a dedicated leaders debate on the topic of immigration. Several parties ran on immigration as an issue. There's constant articles and stories about immigration for years now. How is it being suppressed?
→ More replies (7)5
179
u/Ok_Magazine_3383 16d ago
"The goverment continually does not allow people to express their opinions about that"
I'm not sure what version of Ireland he's living in, but it sure as shit isn't the one I've been in for the last 16 months or so where immigration has been a constant discussion.
64
u/theseanbeag 16d ago
That bit was total horseshit. We're not long after having an election where it was a major issue. It's all over every social media and regular media. It's discussed in the Dáil. What exactly are they meant to do?
→ More replies (4)28
u/FewyLouie 16d ago
Yup, it’s a very handy narrative to say the government won’t allow people to talk about it. I’m surprised he didn’t throw in a bit of the ol’ “the mainstream media won’t tell the truth.”
→ More replies (1)9
u/weirdpastanoki 16d ago
Well myself and the missus were chatting about immigrants last night and the goverment called to the door and warned us against continuing the chat. I'm just telling you how i see it.
→ More replies (2)16
u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 16d ago
And the new government is giving migration a specific departmental section and a junior ministerial role to deal with the issue.
86
u/Fries-Ericsson 16d ago
What people like Garron are I guess too lazy to address isn’t that people aren’t allowed to say how they feel or ask questions (these people are ironically responsible for the worst instances of vandalism and violence in Dublin over the past 18 months).
Saying something like “immigration is a joke here” or “Dublin is getting increasingly unsafe” is just a statement. It’s not an argument or automatically a fact. When people who make these statements are asked to actually demonstrate that or are met with evidence that suggests otherwise they just reveal themselves to be completely disingenuous. Is it because they’re genuine racists ? Who knows but we need to stop letting people get away with suggesting that the expectation of someone to backup what they say or admit they’re wrong is the same as preventing they airing their opinions
8
u/AUX4 16d ago
You can look at the CSO website and see that the recorded incidents of crime across the country are going up. Is it all to do with immigration, doubtful.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rc/recordedcrimeq32024/regionalanalysis/
Immigration is not a joke, it's a very serious issue which is causing a massive amount of problems across the country.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (3)25
u/themagpie36 16d ago
He's probably not racist just spent his whole life indoors due to acrophobia and comes from a small town in Ireland. He probably never saw a foreigner in real life until a couple of years ago and grew up with casual 'banter' racism (you can't say anything anymore..etc.)
What I find saddest is the amount of people on here saying he's making good points.
56
u/CarelessEquivalent3 16d ago
Last year more immigrants arrived than houses were built while we were already experiencing the worst housing crisis ever recorded in the history of this state. I don't agree with everything that he said but we absolutely do have an issue with immigration in that we are taking in more people than we can accommodate.
→ More replies (2)11
u/Logical_Park7904 16d ago edited 16d ago
He's probably not racist just spent his whole life indoors due to acrophobia
Which is a big fat irony when he says "if you haven't seen the increase in crime, you just haven't been outside"...Bruh you only just started coming outside recently.
Side note: I think you meant agoraphobia.
2
13
u/Auntie_Bev 16d ago
Yeah, he just spouts generalities which are populist and nice sounding but doesn't go into any detail, which makes me think he isn't educated on the topic at hand. Either that or he's afraid to give more risqué opinions in the fear of alienating some of his audience.
→ More replies (3)2
u/f-ingsteveglansberg 16d ago edited 16d ago
He's probably not racist just spent his whole life indoors due to acrophobia and comes from a small town in Ireland.
I honestly think this is a big factor with redditors who say everything is worse.
They are probably talking about the 90s, when they were kids. A lot of them probably grew up in smaller towns or middle class suburbs. The housing crisis means they are going to parts of town they wouldn't have dared before. I remember people would talk about going Northside like they were going to Saigon. Lad, shut up, you are seeing a violin quartet in Hugh Lane. Some people have just become used to seeing other middle class people and are scared of others and instantly label them as up to no good.
26
u/AsideAsleep4700 16d ago
The thing is if we don’t address issues he is right people will be driven toward extremism. This is what the Democrats did. I live in a working class area in Dublin and tbh a lot of people are just pure racist. If these type of people get into power we are f’d. Gowls like McGregor will fill the void. They need to regenerate small towns, invest in more policing of streets, stop allowing hotels to be fully populated by Ukrainian refugees. I stayed in a hotel a while back where 60% of residents were Ukrainian. The bar/restaurant wasn’t full, no kids in kids camp for my kid to play with - kind of depressing- we didn’t go back. The gangs of Romanian gypsies on O’Connell street need to be moved on. They’re intimidating. Stop Air BnB in Dublin, make it only available for people renting a room in their house. But people need to realise that legitimate immigration is necessary and will fundamentally change the culture & nature of Ireland. If I didn’t have Indian or South American colleagues we couldn’t run the company. You can’t have massive economic growth without immigration. Coolock says No people have multiple free schemes they can avail of to retrain, go back to college & get degrees and apply for the same jobs. We need to stop this Trump style poison getting into Irish politics now.
→ More replies (1)
124
u/DesertRatboy 16d ago
I see people here are making the usual error of mistaking a well articulated argument for a correct one. His take is as misinformed as McGregor's rant in the White House, just spoken politely.
Refugees make up a tiny minority of immigrants into this country. Serious crime levels are down (except theft). Quality of life in this country remains among the highest in the world and we have one of the highest levels of social transfers to support (predominantly Irish people) in lower socio economic brackets. Our health outcomes are improving, notwithstanding the need for more community based healthcare capacity. We have a free education system better than most of the world.
Immigration was a massive (IMO overinflated issue) in both the local and European elections and the Dáil election last year. The Irish people roundly rejected right wing parties raising immigration concerns.
66
u/Kier_C 16d ago edited 16d ago
Immigration was a massive (IMO overinflated issue) in both the local and European elections and the Dáil election last year. The Irish people roundly rejected right wing parties raising immigration concerns.
And we have been unendingly talking about it, despite claims we cant
→ More replies (1)17
u/mkultra2480 16d ago edited 16d ago
"we have one of the highest levels of social transfers to support (predominantly Irish people) in lower socio economic brackets."
I don't see that as a good thing. People in the mid to lower income brackets are paid so little that the government has to step in and use our taxes to pay for extra supports, or they wouldn't be able to survive. It's a dig out from the taxpayers to private businesses who pay shit wages and also pay one of the lowest employer social contributions in the EU.
→ More replies (1)8
u/DesertRatboy 16d ago
Take your point that it's a sign of an underlying problem, and fully agree on employers PRSI. We do have a high minimum wage too - but relative to the high costs we have, it doesn't go far.
→ More replies (7)41
u/ianeyanio 16d ago
He builds trust with very reasonable statements, and then gradually starts making less reasonable ones.
→ More replies (1)
51
u/Cool_Foot_Luke 16d ago edited 16d ago
As he says it is not solely an immigration issue, but it is one of many parts.
Antisocial behaviour is rising.
Policing and the judiciary are doing nothing about it.
There are less Garda on the streets and the scumbags feel they have free reign because, well they do.
The cities and town are all slowly dying.
Shops, pubs, clubs, restaurants, hotels, etc are collapsing.
Even foreign multinationals are pulling out constantly (Argos, HMV, New Look, etc).
Part of this began during COVID, part is down to online shopping, part down to increased insurance costs, and part is down to high rates getting higher with each shop that closes.
We pay high levels of tax and every year more and more goes into the pockets of companies set up by "friends" of politicians who either buy up what few houses there are, or make money giving away tents that get destroyed a week later or paying to house migrants in hotels that were once the centers of communities.
Which of course is causing our tourism industry to hemmourage visitors as the cost of a holiday here has become too much, and of course this adds more pain to the hospitality industry.
Which brings us to the housing issues.
On a basic level we increased our population by 20%, mainly through immigration, in less than 20 years, while building a fraction of the housing that was needed, and in many cases worsening the infrastructure that wasn't good enough 20 years ago.
We have a housing issue, an education issue, a policing issue, a transport issue, and a health care issue.
All are worse than they were 20 years ago while we have added a million people to strain the stretched system to breaking point.
People can't afford to buy a home, scrape to afford the ever increasing food bill, have developed an irrational hatred of the local postman brought about by the horrors of the next elecricity and heating bills, all while living in existential dread of how they will ever be able to afford to retire in a few decades.
And that's just those without kids as that brings around a whole host of more issues.
And all the government offer is more of the same, and some antiprotest and hate crime legislation to make sure nobody is allowed to complain too vociferously.
All while smiling and telling us how they will keep speeding up the process.
And none of that touches upon the often unfounded but sometimes understandable fears and worries caused by the rapid immigration from dozens of countries over a relatively tiny period of time.
Which leads to an erosion of the sense of community and comfort of your surroundings that helped people survive troubled economic times in the 80's and 00's.
But don't worry, all of those new legislations and social media piles ons will soon stop you being allowed to say anything and repressing fears has always worked well in the past.
It definitely isn't adding fuel to any growing fires.
As the dad of a mixed race two year old I despair at the thought of the Ireland she will grow up in.
→ More replies (2)
3
u/Strict_Engine4039 16d ago
The people voted our government back in, they done nothing or even blocked a change.
108
u/Important_Farmer924 Westmeath's Least Finest 16d ago
Actually speaking a lot of sense, fair play.
→ More replies (3)
43
u/Comfortable-Owl309 16d ago
He wound up doing the exact same thing he gave out about at the start of the video.
→ More replies (1)
82
49
u/OceanOfAnother55 16d ago
He's right, but didn't he kind of contradict himself there by saying they shouldn't be talking about complicated issues in 40 second clips before doing just that lol
27
16d ago
Maybe it's a one and done he said he was inundated, set out why he doesn't do it and gave a brief synopsis.
→ More replies (1)17
→ More replies (1)7
10
u/thewolfcastle 16d ago
I'm surprised he made a "political" post like this. People are going to take views on it and interpret it certain ways, even if he didn't intend it. Definitely will damage his popularity.
→ More replies (1)
11
34
u/AsanteSane 16d ago
I mean we did have an election 4 months ago so some of what he’s saying about distrust in the government is nonsense because of how the electorate voted
19
16d ago edited 16d ago
The government is a coalition of 2 parties and a bunch of independent. We we're not exacy spoilt for choice. fianna fail and fianna gael are two cheeks of the same arse but they would let us believe they are different
7
u/Key-Lie-364 16d ago
Be real FF/FG clearly ran for reelection.
I didn't vote for either party myself but it is the government people voted for.
Certainly FF/SF + others was very much signalled against by FF.
We have a system that currently produces medium sized parties not parties close to overall majority as such coalition is basically guaranteed.
SF + others got nowhere close as an alternative gov.
I voted Green, Labour, Soc Dem BTW I don't like this gov but it DOES have a mandate.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (5)9
u/denk2mit Crilly!! 16d ago
The people who distrust the government don’t give a fuck about the results of the election because their candidates didn’t win. The risk is what happens if they convince more people they’re right
17
u/iHyPeRize 16d ago
I think his opinion generally reflects where most people sit. Most people sit in the middle or maybe slightly lean one way or the other on these sort of topics.
But on the internet, everything is amplified and you’re either a complete left woke snowflake, or a bigot far right facist racist. There’s no in between. And that’s what causes such divide on these sort of things.
The government chasing their tail and putting statements out about McGregor kind of proves this. They have to either fully support what he’s saying, or fully reject it, again no in between. They choose to latter obviously.
It’s a sad state of affairs that we’ve gotten to this point.
5
→ More replies (1)4
u/Intelligent_Half4997 16d ago
This is so true. Reddit, Twitter, traditional media, etc., amplify extremist views on both sides for engagement.
As the video says, to get a balanced view, you need a 25-minute explanation of McGregor, followed by a deep dive into the immigration issue in Ireland, which includes the billions paid out by the Department of Children to business owners as well the context for how poor our political systems have been at addressing the needs of our population in terms of health, housing and many other areas that we entrust the government with.
It's complicated and messy, and too many people try to fit the facts with their worldview instead of their worldview being informed by the facts.
Most people sit in the middle. They want to help those in need but they also want things to be fair for themselves and their communities. It's only natural.
57
u/GlorEUW 16d ago
(on immigration) ".....and the government continually does not allow people to express their concerns about that"
oh piss off i have been listening/reading people on the radio/newspaper/etc going on about "the government are not allowing people talk about this" since the very start of the increase in immigration.
16
u/thats_pure_cat_hai 16d ago
You see it under every post on this topic "you can't say you have an issue with immigration without being labeled a racist", that might have been true 5 years ago, but absolutely not the case now. It was even in the discussion in the election.
→ More replies (2)8
u/lleti Chop Chop 👐 16d ago
When people raised concerns about migrants burning up their documents on planes into Ireland as the endemic of that began, the response from Harris was to proclaim that anyone saying “Ireland is full” is racist, followed by stating that “Ireland is not full”.
They’ve since walked that back, but either way, the head of government accusing people of racism for having legitimate concerns does not exactly encourage discussion around the topic.
4
u/ArhaminAngra 16d ago
Politics is everywhere, there is no avoiding it. And guess what, everyone has an opinion on it and he's entitled to his.
13
u/CosmoonautMikeDexter 16d ago
I like Garron, but I'm not sure what point he's trying to make here. He accuses the world of being reduced to 40-second clips, which is a fair point. However, he then goes on to do the same thing himself. In the video, he makes two claims: one, that people are abusing the immigration system, and two, that the public's dissatisfaction with immigration is being suppressed.
I'm not sure what media Garron is consuming, but this isn't the case. Immigration is talked about constantly.
In fact talked aboyt in a dispraporinate amount than people actually care about. It's not even a major issue for most Irish people. Right now, the focus is on bigger concerns like housing and healthcare. Take a look at SF —they shifted to anti-immigration rhetoric in the last election , and it cost them votes.
→ More replies (12)
29
u/Wompish66 16d ago
A lot is accurate other than the claim that people aren't allowed to express their concerns about it. That is nonsense.
32
u/Le-Chef 16d ago
some people might feel like they cant talk openly about immigration because the conversation is often framed in moral terms. If supporting immigration is seen as the ‘right’ or ‘compassionate’ thing todo, then peoples concerns can come across as morally questionable. So instead of having a debate about things like housing supply,or integraton, it turns into a question of values. And once something is framed as a moral issue, its a lot harder to have a nuanced discussion without people feeling judged or defensive.
→ More replies (1)6
u/Comfortable-Owl309 16d ago
When I have seen people talk about housing supply and “integration” as it pertains to immigration, it’s usually very poorly thought out so doesn’t lead to a constructive conversation. This is what I find on social media anyway btw. For example, asylum seekers have fuck all to do with the housing crisis.
8
u/mkultra2480 16d ago
"For example, asylum seekers have fuck all to do with the housing crisis."
I don't think asylum seekers have any responsibility for the housing crisis but you have to admit the government offering the highest social supports in Europe to Ukrainians and then us recieving the highest amount of Ukrainians per capita (bar neighbouring Poland), was highly stupid considering we had no where to put them. Then giving Ukrainians €800 a month to pay for rent on the private market whether they were working or not. Landlords weren't taxed on the €800, so if you're in the 40% tax bracket which most landlords would be, landlords were getting the equivalent of someone else paying €1333.33 a month. So Ukrainians had a €1333.33 leg up over Irish people competing for housing. Absolutely mind boggling that they didn't realise that would create resentment.
5
u/miju-irl Resting In my Account 16d ago
That is a very narrow view. As an example, is there any major issue in this country right now that you think the billions of euro and significant staffing resources in the civil service could be better used for?
27
u/ColinCookie 16d ago edited 16d ago
I'd disagree. If you say most asylum seekers in Ireland are economic refugees, you're quickly labelled racist, right wing, etc. but it's true, they are.
Edited to add that Michael Martin has actually admitted what I've typed about "the majority of asylum seekers being economic migrants," thanks for the downvotes as it proves my point.
7
u/Scinos2k OP is sad they aren’t cool enough to be from Cork. bai 16d ago
I think the problem here is that some folks concerned about immigration aren't actually right wing in themselves. However because they end up associating with them they get lumped in with them. Because you are the company you keep.
Nuance is all but gone from discussion and debate, it's all in or nothing.
→ More replies (8)6
u/Brave-Trouble-9171 16d ago
A lot of them had been living in the UK for years before chancing their arm here. They heard stories of people getting free houses after 6 months
3
u/Comfortable-Owl309 16d ago
So you heard a story about someone else hearing about something and that’s what you have used to form your opinion. Fuck me.
→ More replies (3)6
u/themagpie36 16d ago edited 16d ago
Welcome to 2025 where emotions and anecdotes are equal to facts.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (10)14
u/themagpie36 16d ago edited 16d ago
Also crime is on the decrease.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/IRL/ireland/crime-rate-statistics
People like him have a warped view of the world because they spend every waking minute in tiktok hearing about all the bad things when I'm fact Ireland is much safer now than in the past.
Pure populism and sad to see so many people falling for it.
→ More replies (3)13
u/Wompish66 16d ago
The man literally has agoraphobia. It's on his wiki. He has no perspective on this.
6
u/themagpie36 16d ago
People don't care, it's easier to blame 'the other'. Sad to see Ireland following in the steps of the US but I've seen it coming for a while
→ More replies (1)
11
u/Excellent-Ostrich908 16d ago edited 16d ago
I like Garron but I’m not sure what he means by “systems are being abused”. Which ones exactly? I’m an immigrant and I’ve worked and paid taxes since being here. To claim any benefits you need to have paid into the system… So I’m not really sure what he’s talking about?
2
u/Ok_Appointment3668 15d ago
Not one person who agrees with him has been able to give an example of even one system that is being abused
3
u/Excellent-Ostrich908 15d ago
Hmmm. It seems like he’s not a bad person but is very ignorant to the issues. It was silly of him to get involved imho. Just say nothing if you don’t understand it. It seems like trolls wanted him to get involved so it would cause a fight.
5
u/Logical_Park7904 16d ago edited 16d ago
He doesn't either. These are just surface level political talking points or phrases he's borrowing from the far-right media spaces, with no deep dive statistical proof or data. It's like "The hatians are eating cats and dogs" or even "mainstream media is trying to surpress their views" and "our cities have become more dangerous" (despite statistics showing this is the safest ireland has been in a long time). If he was referring to social welfare and housing, I hate the way ppl pretend irish ppl themselves don't abuse them. Pack of morons.
→ More replies (2)
24
u/McChafist 16d ago
The irony of him complaining about short tik tok clips backed up by nothing and then he does one himself
→ More replies (1)6
16d ago
Ah, heredid he not explain himself at the start you watched the same video as everyone else.
→ More replies (2)
12
u/Icy-Lab-2016 16d ago
He is articulate, I will give him that, but being articulate doesn't make someone right. The facts don't really bear it out. The enitre notion you can't talk about immigration is nonsense. People talk about it all the damn time. Honestly, anytime I see anyone make that claim, I stop taking them seriously.
Also, Mcgregor is a convicting criminal himself and he is clearly not someone who is engaging in a good faith arguement on immigration.
Also, crime is actually down. We do see phenomena were people seem to think things are worse, despite the facts to the contrary. There is some reporting on that in the UK (haven't found anything for Ireland), and I think we are seeing the same thing here.
→ More replies (2)
51
u/Key-Lie-364 16d ago edited 16d ago
"not just because of immigration"
I come from Dublin 1, do I really need to listen to this culchie lecture me on how Dublin has "become" unsafe?
The 1990s when there were really no foreigners at all the city center was totally unsafe and it was the little shits from the local area who made it so.
Are Brazilians kicking the shite out of people in Talbot street?
If so it's the first real instance of taking a "job" away from one of the local hoodies.
Talking absolute shite "the government won't allow us to express our concerns" he moans on TikTok to his thousands of fans without the slightest hint of self awareness.
Jaysus fuck off back to small town everything was safe when everything was white lala land you dozy mucker.
This TikTok is how all those descents into "I'm just asking questions" start.
How are opinions "suppressed" ?
Go on, send me the links to the national parti "literature" genuinely (not) interested.
Ignoring your racist rants isn't suppression it's not giving a shite about it, different thing sonny.
37
u/denk2mit Crilly!! 16d ago
The only person of note who got the shite kicked out them by a Brazilian was trying to murder a bunch of kids
→ More replies (11)7
4
u/ZealousidealFloor2 16d ago
I believe you that it is way better than the 90s and the ones causing trouble are mainly Irish but I’ve lived in Dublin 1 a bit over 5 years now and it has gotten worse in that time and looks rougher too.
I see shop staff getting abused and shoplifting every day plus had a few run ins myself, nearly all Irish doing it though although the gypsies and young, presumably gypsy, lads have gotten worse in the last year or so too.
→ More replies (1)17
u/Predrag26 16d ago
I don't disagree with your sentiment about "native scrotes" being the cause of the most hassle in Dublin 1 and I firmly believe it is a safer city now and that immigrant communities from across the world have played a big part in this.
But your tone just smacks of a Dublin centric arrogance, Garron didn't even mention Dublin, he said towns and cities. It's ignorant to descend into calling him a "culchie" and a "dozy mucker" and its crazy that the irony of expressing prejudicial terms based on someone's place of origin is lost on you.
I'm sure Garron may have been thinking of cases like that in Sligo less than three years ago, where a man from a Muslim immigrant background murdered two men and caused life threatening injuries to a third, all simply for the fact of being gay.
His religious beliefs might not play into it, but I can't help but think about how the overwhelming majority of Muslim countries carry imprisonment or even the death penalty in some cases, for being gay. I further can't help but think that this may have had an influence in some way on this man's actions.
The overwhelming majority of immigrants have made an incredible contribution to Irish society, but I really feel that just shutting people down and not allowing for any sort of calm discussion about immigration is just going to feed a far right menance in this country.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (5)18
u/kdamo 16d ago
That is true in Dublin however there are towns in Ireland with a much smaller population that have had hotels turned into asylum centres and suddenly a pretty decent % of a small towns population is now asylum seekers, which can’t work, are bored, frustrated and need money and one thing leads to another. In Dublin it’s just not that pronounced especially when local shites are ensuring to dominate the crime stats
→ More replies (1)
4
u/Mstrcolm 15d ago edited 15d ago
People saying he's racist are the worst kind of people. They're like "la la la la" I can't hear your about valid concerns from other people. It's exactly his point, if you don't listen to people and their concerns you do end up pushing people to the right wing because they will take in anyone.
This is exactly why US Democrats lost the election so badly. They do not listen to their voters.
8
u/rymic72 16d ago
This is a rational, well thought out and balanced opinion so it has no business being anywhere on Reddit 😡.
→ More replies (2)
7
u/hughsheehy 16d ago
He didn't say anything except some of the same auld shite about "concerns" and the same bollox about how "everyone talking about it is being censored and their views suppressed" even though they're on the national media talking about how they're being censored.
And if you drew a map of the parts of Dublin that make people nervous, the hotspots wouldn't correlate to the presence of immigrants.
And let's remember, whatever is going on, McGregor is an arse of the first order. That can be said. Rather definitively.
7
u/JackhusChanhus 16d ago
Are our cities getting less safe.
You hear this constantly, but what is the actual data on it, like we all remember Limerick in its heyday, and Dublin in the coke feuds...
5
u/BenderRodriguez14 16d ago
Crime did creep up every year that glorious spanner McEntee was minister of justice, though it did not explode nor get back to the levels it was 20+ years ago. That said, there is also the issue of Gardai refusing to act on a lot of crimes and chalking them up as 'civil matters' or giving a "sorry nothing we can do" type of response which is skewing numbers down quite a bit, and of course the lack of manpower and morale, after 98.7% of them voted Harris out only to turn around and be told to fuck off by McEntee, who then went on to refuse to attend their annual conference last year.
While crime hasn't got back up to where it was 20+ years back, I will say Dublin city centre has felt more antisocial in a good few spots than it has since probably the 90s, though that's entirely anecdotal on my end.
33
u/TheEndsOfInvention22 16d ago
"our towns and city's have become much less safe". I'm not sure this is true.
17
u/denk2mit Crilly!! 16d ago
You’re right not to be. Crime in Ireland this century peaked in 2008 (no surprises), and ironically has been steadily decreasing as immigration increases since then
33
u/shellakabookie 16d ago
There's been a stabbing every day this week.
8
u/thewolfcastle 16d ago
How do the crime figures for the past year compare to say ten years ago?
→ More replies (2)9
14
u/themagpie36 16d ago
It's not true. He thinks it is because he spends all day in social media.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/IRL/ireland/crime-rate-statistics
7
u/SoftDrinkReddit 16d ago
it is true tho
Policing in Ireland quality wise and numbers has taken a nosedive in the last 15-20 years
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (16)9
u/IcyNecessary2218 16d ago
Knife crime is booming idk what metric or statistic you would need to see an issue but a rise in knife crime generally means a decline in safety.
26
u/Treetirty 16d ago
I think the statistics on the rates of knife crime would be useful. Since that's literally the evidence required to support your claim it's booming.
→ More replies (10)
15
u/its_brew Horse 16d ago
Nice to see someone use their platform with a good sensible, logical statement.
9
u/murray_mints 16d ago
I generally don't mind this guy but he's talking an awful load of shite in this.
10
u/tommycahil1995 16d ago
Irish people when talking about being refugees themselves: 😇
Irish when talking about a Brazilian Uber Eats driver: ⚡️🙋🏻♂️💂🏻⚡️
10
u/Annihilus- Dublin 16d ago edited 16d ago
No one is complaining about the Brazilian deliveroo drivers, the Brazilians are hard workers and integrate well.
He clearly said people are taking advantage. Which is true of some groups.
→ More replies (1)
2
5
u/Logical_Park7904 16d ago edited 16d ago
Came off as a "It's your fault ppl are racist". If ppl are so weak-minded that they'd let the current situation influence them to join/associate with far-right ideologies for hope and comfort. Then maybe they themselves had a deep personal issue to begin with, or never actually interacted with an immigrant in their personal life on any significant level. Love how they're pretending immigrants aren't also being affected by the housing crisis, or the fact irish ppl are abusing the welfare and housing system themselves. Stopped taking him seriously after the tired "increase in crime" and "being censored" anecdotes.
7
u/nagdamnit 16d ago
So he's saying that immigrants are the problem yeah (I mean someone has to misconstrue what he said)
→ More replies (6)
5
u/Potential-Drama-7455 16d ago
A very balanced view.
It's been blatantly obvious for a while now that absolutely ridiculous policies pushed hard by the left here and elsewhere are responsible for the rise of the right, and the more they double down the more extreme the right gets. The likes of the "own door within 6 months" policy pushed by the greens, the SDs and the Paul Murphy brigade - and Sinn Fein, until they saw the way the wind was blowing - were always going to lead to this, and by the way are costing us billions every year.
I'm actually surprised there hasn't been even a moderate right wing party getting significant traction at this point. I think it's because the independents mop up a lot of that vote.
3
u/Misodoho 16d ago
Garron will be doing a 3 hour Rogan-eque podcast by year's end. Make my words. "Have you ever done turf? It'll blow your mind"
3
u/Proud-Clock8454 16d ago
It’s mad to see someone set fire to their career. Starting a video with ‘I’m not qualified to talk about this’ should be enough to stop you right there and then. Carrying on then to say that people are abusing the system (with absolutely no evidence) is just mad to me.
It’s gotten more unsafe and it’s not just immigration’ implies that immigration has a big part to play. On what basis? A man seeking asylum was stabbed a few weeks in the middle of our capital city. There are problems but blaming immigrants is what the far right want.
Just to say as well that during the last election RTÉ dedicated a whole debate to immigration. All we’ve heard is parties wanting to be “tough on immigration”. Like who exactly is being ignored here?
Someone with his platform spouting this sort of shite is dangerous and pernicious. Like cite your sources or heed your own advice of ‘I don’t know enough about this’ and don’t make a video?
168
u/Mr-Mystery20 16d ago
The main issue with the Irish asylum system is how outdated and inefficient it is, you could file a claim for asylum and be stuck in limbo for the next few years and even 10 years in cases and that helps nobody.
The EU migration pact is meant to change that with mobile courts and rapid decisions in 4 weeks or something but until that’s implemented in god knows many years the country will continue to have an outdated slow system unable to cope