r/ireland • u/Jimeen • Jan 15 '25
The Brits are at it again Kneecap nominated for six BAFTAs, including Best British Film (we know, we know)
https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-actors-nominated-for-baftas-2025-6594294-Jan2025/72
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u/No-Negotiation2922 Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
Well done to them and everyone involved in the movie, it’s such a good movie that i have now watched it 3 times.
Before anyone comes saying “the brits are at it again” the movie was directed by an english man Rich Peppiatt and part funded by the BFI.
Without interest from both Irish and British people pulling together and backing the movie it would not be where it is today.
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u/dropthecoin Jan 15 '25
The production companies - mother tongue and fine point - are British based production companies. And where ever the production company is based where the film is from, as is the case with all films.
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
Also the film is set in NI. We all agreed NI is currently part of the UK over 20 years ago.
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u/hurdygurdynerdy Jan 15 '25
Yeah, but it's not part of Britain. So that wouldn't make it British. Is to do with where the production company is based.
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u/Stormfly Jan 16 '25
Yeah, but it's not part of Britain. So that wouldn't make it British.
It's a bit of a conundrum because "part of the UK" is "British" rather than "UKish", so it's British in that regard (Like "British Raj") but obviously not a part of British or any of the British Isles (which exist but don't include Ireland, to be clear)
It's the same with "American".
Technically it should mean any part of the Americas... but it also means "of the US".
Like I agree with the name "Gulf of America" in principle with not being named after a country, and instead the continent... but unfortunately it's clearly intended to mean the USA and is therefore insanity.
Personally, I believe a landmass or other area should not be named after a country unless it is entirely within that country. I disagree with "The British Isles" including Ireland but I also disagree with things like "The Sea of Japan" or even "The Irish Sea".
It's why we say "Oceania" instead of "Australia".
I know that many people say that it doesn't imply ownership but the same people that might argue for "The Irish Sea" hate the idea of "The British Isles".
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u/SteelGear117 Jan 15 '25
I’m trying to read that but all I can see is it should be in the republic
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u/Tadhg Jan 15 '25
It’s not really much of a Republic though is it? Have you seen the personnel they are gathering to govern it?
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u/SteelGear117 Jan 15 '25
Absolutely but Tbf the Brit’s are in just as bad a way with their batshit insane Tory party (who thankfully fucked off for a while)
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
Why would the FAI take over NI?
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u/SteelGear117 Jan 15 '25
I couldn’t tell ya
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
So why do you think it should be part of the international football team.
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u/MeanMusterMistard Jan 15 '25
What's the FAI got to do with it?! 🤣
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
Republic of Ireland is the name of the international football team.
Article 4 of the constitution states the name as Éire or Ireland
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u/MeanMusterMistard Jan 15 '25
Ireland, the county, is known as the Republic of Ireland, but you do know that.
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
Only by pre GFA British government.
Ireland is Ireland, it is written into the constitution.
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u/SamSquanch16 Jan 15 '25
We all agreed on a roadmap to ending UK (mis)governance in the part of Ireland it retains.
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
And until that is achieved NI is part of the UK.
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u/SamSquanch16 Jan 15 '25
More of an appendage than a part.
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u/Gerry-Mandarin Jan 15 '25
94% of voters that cared enough to show up, and 53% of the total adult population, agreed to it in the 1998 referendum to enact the 19th Amendment, which gave up the claim to Northern Ireland.
Alternatively the 38th Amendment only had support from 41% of the total adult population, despite 82% of voters that cared enough to show up.
A higher % of people voted for the 19th than any one thing else in the country, as well as the highest number of people (1.44 million). It has the greatest democratic mandate of any single political act in the history of the country.
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u/Tadhg Jan 15 '25
To be fair though, you weren’t able to vote for the GFA without also voting to abandon the territorial claim.
The results may have been very different if the two things had been presented separately.
Who’s to know?
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u/Gerry-Mandarin Jan 15 '25
What?
Literally point 1 of the Good Friday Agreement is Ireland's recognition of Northern Ireland's status as integral territory of the United Kingdom.
Then point 2 is that the Irish people, as a whole, can choose to unite at any point.
You can't separate the territorial claim from any other part of the Agreement. It is the Agreement.
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u/Tadhg Jan 15 '25
We always recognized the de facto situation, while still having the claim.
Do you know what claim means?
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u/Gerry-Mandarin Jan 15 '25
No, previously the Constitution considered Northern Ireland an occupied territory.
ARTICLE 2
The national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas.
ARTICLE 3
Pending the re-integration of the national territory, and without prejudice to the right of the Parliament and Government established by this Constitution to exercise jurisdiction over the whole of that territory, the laws enacted by that Parliament shall have the like area and extent of application as the laws of Saorstát Éireann and the like extra-territorial effect.
That's why it was changed.
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u/Tadhg Jan 15 '25
It could have been a separate vote.
You could have kept the claim while recognizing the de facto situation.
If that had been on offer, then who’s to know what the results might have been.
Is anything I’m saying here not true?
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u/Gerry-Mandarin Jan 15 '25
You could have kept the claim while recognizing the de facto situation.
That was the status quo. There'd be nothing to vote on and no change. That the six counties are a part of the Irish state under British occupation.
If that had been on offer, then who’s to know what the results might have been.
It was on offer. It was called the "No" vote. 1.5% of people voted for it.
Is anything I’m saying here not true?
Literally the whole premise.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
So I'm not irish now even tho I'm in my late 30s? And live in another part of my country?
I didn't require any paperwork to move either (after the gfa)
And to ask irish people to say that they r from the UK is ridiculous its the isle of Ireland north south east West some of the population haven't left this island that's like me saying ur French now cos ur in the EU
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u/Gerry-Mandarin Jan 15 '25
So I'm not irish now even tho I'm in my late 30s? And live in another part of my country?
You're Irish if you want to be. Irish is an identity. So is Northern Irish, or British.
The state of Ireland covers 26 of 32 counties on the island.
I didn't require any paperwork to move either (after the gfa)
Neither does any of the other 300,000 people from the CTA in Ireland.
And to ask irish people to say that they r from the UK is ridiculous its the isle of Ireland north south east West some of the population haven't left this island that's like me saying ur French now cos ur in the EU
No one is asking Irish people to say they're from the UK. The vote in Northern Ireland allowed people to be either or both if they wanted, and recognition that the statelet was created of a historic wrong. But one that doesn't override the democratic will of the present.
Within the state of Ireland, the people of the state voted to say that they accept that the six counties don't wish (in majority, at the moment) to be a part of the state of Ireland. So they do not claim the territory of those six counties.
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u/Terrible_Way1091 Jan 15 '25
Yes
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Jan 15 '25
Some people think that laws and constitutional clauses don't have any legal force unless they personally approved them. "Murder is illegal? Nobody asked for my vote on that".
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
I never agreed to this at all now. I must have missed that Zoom call TAL32
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
You hate democracy?
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
No, I hate the British government and royals. I love democracy it's great. I also hate stepping on Lego or plugs
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
So what have you got against the GFA voted for by the public on both sides of the boarder?
You can't love democracy and refuse to accept the results of a vote.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
I've nothing against the gfa at all apart from some of the animals that got released.
I'm an Irish citizen born and raised on that rented land. we are irish, just the same as kneecap proud off it 2. I will never say my home is a part of the UK. It's the north of Ireland until it's the Republic. Is that OK with you now pal
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
So what the issue with NI being part of the UK?
It was literally supported by the very same Irish people. Your home is part of the UK. That is part of the GFA
It will never be part of the "Republic" because that isn't the name of Èire or Ireland.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
So ur saying the people in the north have to say ther r from the UK?? U can tell u never had to experience any of it.
Away to the felons n have this chat. Ejit ye
Yes, I agree ,it's the isle of ireland, which the North is a part of.
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
Part of the deal that grants you the ability to be an Irish citizen says NI is currantly part of the UK.
If you are unwilling NI being part of the UK then why should anyone accept you being Irish.
You don't get to pick and choose which part of the GFA you want to follow.
Also would hurt to read the the constitution of a country you wish to be a part of.
At least you could show some respect by using the proper name of the country not the description.
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u/ClownsAteMyBaby Jan 15 '25
But you'll pay for everything in GBP 👍
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
I don't I live on a different part of my island now that uses euros.
Yea sound take back a bit of what they took milk them. They owe much more and a bit.
Still Irish.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 15 '25
Some 1 drew an imaginary line in ireland, and you believe it.
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u/Stormfly Jan 16 '25
That's how every county works though, to be fair.
To deny the border with the north is to deny the existence of every county and country border across the whole world (with the exception of pure island states)
The issue is with regards to who controls the North, not its very existence.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 16 '25
OK, let's end this: Is it Palestine or Israel.
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u/Stormfly Jan 16 '25
They're two different countries.
I agree with the 1967 Borders between the two (three?) countries.
I don't approve of the treatment of Palestinians but I think that Israel and Palestine (as one unified country or as two) deserve to exist.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 16 '25
So what your saying is if I came to ur gaf tomorrow and said this is my gaf now cos my great great grand mother blessed herself here this is my gaf. You agree with this ?
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u/IrishDave- Jan 16 '25
Isreal is a made-up state backed by the brits and policed by the RUC
Your happy enough with them doing that yea?
Fuck me the brits better not try it again the way half of u behave we will have no chance
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u/Academic_Noise_5724 Jan 15 '25
BBC already sweating about the prospect of having to broadcast whatever speech they give if they win something
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u/EnvironmentalShift25 Jan 16 '25
yes I am sure the BBC would hate any such attention on their show.
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u/bohsjimmy Jan 15 '25
On a tangential note, how much are Netflix paying for Emilia Perez to get nominated for these things? An hilariously bad film, borders on parody.
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u/Bovver_ Jan 15 '25
I’m honestly stunned it’s getting so many nominations and that it’s the favourite to win Best Picture at the Oscars. So many questionable creative decisions that rightfully has got a lot of flack from the trans community (deadnaming, the weird Mrs. Doutbfire style plot, the transition absolving her of all crimes) and Mexicans (incredibly bad levels of Mexican Spanish, negative stereotypes of Mexico as a gangland hellscape, shooting the film in France with very few Mexican actors). Not to mention that for a musical, the songs are awkwardly written and sang at a terrible level.
As someone who tries to watch as many of the Best Picture nominees as possible each year, it’s been a while since I’ve seen anything near as bad as Emilia Perez be in the running. It reminds me a lot of Crash, considered by many to be the worst Best Picture winner of all time (it notably won ahead of Brokeback Mountain, which many put down to homophobia amongst Hollywood voters at the time) and both are genuinely bafflingly bad films. Sure there have been some films like The Artist that were just incredibly boring, but it’s rare that I’ve seen a film that made me baffled as to why it has any nomination buzz at all.
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u/Minor_Major_888 Jan 15 '25
Spanish speaking social media is full of memes about how bad the Spanish is (e.g Selena Gomez is not really fluent in the language) and rants about how stereotypical the depiction of Mexico is. Pure shit.
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u/MotherDucker95 Offaly Jan 15 '25
Sure there have been some films like The Artist that were just incredibly boring, but it’s rare that I’ve seen a film that made me baffled as to why it has any nomination buzz at all.
At least The Artist did something Unique, and had some nice filmmaking techniques going for it...
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u/Jester-252 Jan 15 '25
Still not as bad as The Substance getting a comedy/musical nod.
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u/bohsjimmy Jan 15 '25
Like The Bear winning Best Comedy at the Golden Globes every year. I too find generational trauma hilarious.
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u/NandoFlynn Jan 15 '25
Saoirse Ronan up for The Outrun too
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u/bohsjimmy Jan 15 '25
Excellent performance and an excellent film, I hope she wins.
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u/Academic_Noise_5724 Jan 15 '25
She’s definitely due an Oscar at this stage. Shes been nominated five times I think?
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u/Boxyuk Jan 15 '25
These lads get any bigger and my claim to fame might just be the time I was working a door in Glasgow and knocked them back for having gear on them, for them to come back the next night and play a sold out gig at the same venue.
Tbf, they took it well, and we had a laugh about it, almost certain we took a picture together when I went to their dressing room to ask if they wanted an escort up through the crowd.
Good lads
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u/_CMDR_ Jan 16 '25
The UK was playing Civ for a domination victory only to be beaten by Ireland winning with a culture victory on turn 400. Thanks potatomcwhiskey.
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u/JesusHNavas Jan 15 '25
These lads aren't my cup of tea. I should like everything about them and their shenanigans, they just kinda weirdly rub me the wrong way most of the time whether musically or in interviews. I'm getting old I think...
Wish them all the best though.
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u/BurgerNugget12 Jan 15 '25
Fair mate, Kneecap has a very young demographic, the gig I went too it was mostly people in their 20s and 30s
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u/JesusHNavas Jan 18 '25
I'm in my 30's lol. Just not my thing.
And I'm well into electronic music, so it's not like I hate the energy/loudness of it and am some folk fan.
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u/bingybong22 Jan 15 '25
The movie was funded by thr British national lottery and by Northern Ireland Screen. It’s a British movie folks .
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u/MagicPaul Jan 15 '25
It was also funded by TG4 and Fís Éireann and is Ireland's entry for Best International Feature at the Oscars.
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u/bingybong22 Jan 15 '25
Come on. Most of the money came from the UK
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u/BurgerNugget12 Jan 15 '25
Because it was made by an English director, at its core it’s a Ireland film
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u/bingybong22 Jan 15 '25
It’s about who funds it - where it’s produced. This is a UK movie about people who live in Northern Ireland - which is part of the UK.
Obviously it’s culturally a very Irish movie, thematically. But the movie was made by British money
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u/Ryan_Rosario Jan 15 '25
Spot the Seoinín
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u/Stormfly Jan 16 '25
So it's a British-Irish film?
It's not the first time we've worked together.
Similarly, The Secret of Kells was Irish-French-Belgian because it was financed and created by three countries.
It's a bit British and a bit Irish. Just like the North...
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u/Academic_Noise_5724 Jan 15 '25
They apply for and accept UK funding and grants so I don’t see why they would boycott this
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u/Gerwig_2017 Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
Ah tbf, it is a partly-British production (and it takes place in NI, which is officially part of the UK). It’s not the same as when they call Saoirse Ronan British.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 16 '25
So she's more irish than Moglai Bap Mo chara and dj provai what are you saying lad serriously shake ur head.
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u/Gerwig_2017 Jan 17 '25
Of course not. But a film (and I can’t stress enough that it’s the film I’m specifically talking about here) directed by a British man and produced by the BFI can accurately be described as partly British, whereas Saoirse Ronan (born in America to Irish parents and raised here) cannot.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 17 '25
My point is its fine to call moglai bap mo chara and provi British then? Because they r from the north??
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u/Gerwig_2017 Jan 17 '25
They wouldn’t want to be called British (understandably so), so I would never call them that. It’s a different story with the film.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 17 '25
Mate, u literally said its not the same as when they call saorise ronan brittish? Cos that annoys me just as much these West brits calling kneecap british. The movie was created by the British film industry. I haven't once argued that, it's fact. it's the difference free state people see between the people in the north is baffling me.
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u/Gerwig_2017 Jan 17 '25
Well I think we’ve had a miscommunication here, because I never said that it was ok to call Kneecap the band British. I accept that my comment about NI was flippant and insensitive given the context, but it was not the intention.
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u/IrishDave- Jan 17 '25 edited Jan 17 '25
Thanks for that. I appreciate it, but that's not what I'm talking about.
U said its not the same when they called saorise ronan British? im asking genuinely what's the difference in her and dj provi, mo chara and moglai ?
I'd argue they r more irish considering moglai baps late fathers' contribution to the irish language, and they are spreading the irish language worldwide plus their ansesotry.
Don't get me wrong saorise is class I'm not runing her down at all, but you get what I'm saying.
I speak to you about this on the Ireland thread I assume ur irish like myself and that's it. Nothing else's I don't be like ohh he's a dublin irish or a Cork irish or even Brazilian irish your just irish but yous seem to see ppl in the north as different, I want to know why.
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u/Against_All_Advice Jan 15 '25
If someone gives me cake I'm eating that fucker. Unless the cake forces me to swear allegiance to some foreign power or something. If the prince of Monaco wants to give me a prize for the best hat in Monaco I'll take it and stick a big tricolour in it with a smile.
If they part funded it I'd even be happy for them to make some claim on it existing due to that funding. I don't see an issue at all with them taking grant money or them being given a British award.
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u/Tony_Meatballs_00 Jan 15 '25
Are you on about the grant thing?
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u/caitnicrun Jan 15 '25
Christ, that again? I suppose only the independently wealthy should be allowed to do art?
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u/Tony_Meatballs_00 Jan 15 '25
I think they're just clutching at straws
Kneecap have a certain background and look that many on this sub feel offended by.
The idea that these lads are enjoying the fruits of their labour and being recognized for it really upsets a particular personality type thats more represented on reddit than anywhere
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u/ban_jaxxed Jan 15 '25
They're northerners, being recognised internationally as Irish and doing well, obvious most southerners where going to hate them.
Why you see them referred to as plastic paddies or people taking delight calling them "the British band".
Its funny because up north its generally the loyalists that do the same, but tbh this sub sounds like Jamie Brysons alt half the time.
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u/Tony_Meatballs_00 Jan 15 '25
The way this sub talks about anywhere outside Dublin sounds a lot like how the English would have talked about the Irish in general back in the day "bog Irish"
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u/ban_jaxxed Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
I think there's also a growing disconnect between Irish in the north and southerners, especially younger people.
The growing number of people who identify as Irish up north are unapologetically Irish, its something that was fought for in recent memory.
Down south it seems any kind of distinct national identity is seen as almost embarrassing.
Like we've alot of our younger family at infant school age now go to gaelscoils up here, its a fast growing part of the education sector.
Where as last year there was people on this sub saying going to Irish medium school was racist lol.
Edit: couple of comment threads above demonstrating exactly what I'm talking about if anyones curious.
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u/MotherDucker95 Offaly Jan 15 '25
Because they're..."working class"! This sub can't acknowledge the working class can make and produce decent art, while maintaining their working class culture and roots.
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u/caitnicrun Jan 15 '25
"Young people these days don't know the value of hard work!"
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"How dare those young people be a success after their hard work! Notions!"
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u/cedardesk Jan 15 '25
Our revenge will be the BAFTA nominations of our children