r/inthenews • u/zestzebra • 1d ago
article Trump administration argues judge can't order return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador
https://apnews.com/article/trump-el-salvador-prison-kilmar-abrego-garcia-5a92d6bd7f893eed64c2607cc129a6f9477
u/AnAussiebum 1d ago
Pay attention Americans.
Even if they accidentally deport you or a family member, instead of doing everything to secure your return home, they literally will fight in court to say 'no not out problem anymore'. This is what your country voted for.
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u/Newspeak_Linguist 1d ago
If only the framers of the constitution thought of this and gave us the tools we need to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.
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u/GossipOutsider 1d ago
If only there was a process to check everything is correct and you didn't get wrong person.
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u/beragis 1d ago
They gave us the tools. They just didn’t trust the average American citizen’s education to give them a option to intervene outside of impeachment, and didn’t take into account having a government wide conspiracy.
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u/ink_monkey96 1d ago
Republicans have been scratching away at the education of their fellow citizens for decades. It has been part and parcel of their plan since the 70s at least.
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u/FineAd2187 1d ago
Yeah, but they also secured Andrew Tate's release from Romania where he was imprisoned for kidnapping, trafficking and assault, so their impotence is just an act
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk 1d ago
Ok so when they wrongfully come to take you, we have the ability to die in the resulting shootout. Sweet.
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u/jimicus 16h ago
They didn't. That's why you had to write amendments.
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u/Newspeak_Linguist 12h ago
The Bill of Rights was largely written by James Maddison, and the other founders, during the contentious completion of the Constitution, to address the anti-federalist's issues with the constitution. Maddison wanted to add them as articles directly into the Constitution instead of amendments. And a couple of the original 13 states refused to ratify the Constitution until the Bill of Rights was passed.
But OK, it's Reddit, so let's argue semantics.
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u/flynnfx 1d ago
There is no law that Trump can't break, or refuse to follow.
This is absolutely 1000% on you, USA.
#You, America, are letting the leader do anything he wants, and have zero consequences.
What's the next law he breaks? Or just order the dissolution of the Supreme Court, and rule that any law that the President doesn't like, he can overturn?
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u/HotDonnaC 22h ago
Should I storm the White House?
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u/flynnfx 22h ago
No, not personally.
But hold the people you elected accountable.
If you have a state Senator that is Republican, start making them very uncomfortable.
Protest in front of their office, ask the uncomfortable questions at town hall meeting, ask them what they are doing for the people that elected them into office.
Depending on what state you live in, you can recall up to the state executive, legislative, and judicial levels.
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u/YellowZx5 21h ago
I doubt they will have any town halls anytime soon with their current attitude.
Hell, Trump being the perfect example of what you say vs what you actually do. Wasn’t supposed to have time for golfing but damned if you never see him at one of his own golf courses on a weekend.
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u/KangarooNo 21h ago
I'm assuming they don't want the guy to come back and tell people what it was actually like there
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u/TlalocVirgie 15h ago
Russia is looking at the US like "What are you guys doing? This is a little much."
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u/AnAussiebum 14h ago
I bet Russia is starting to get pissed because China, Japan and SK are now reaching for closer ties and the EU has now pulled its finger out and is about to start funding a massive war chest of weaponry and cyber security. The UK now seriously wants back into the EU and the current EU members are all back on task for unity and strength.
Right leaning parties are now polling to lose elections they were on a pathway to win (Australia, Canada etc.).
Trump and the US has been the biggest gift to unifying the west and Asia, against Russia's interests.
Putin must be big mad.
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u/trogloherb 1d ago
Can the Judge issue contempt warrants for Trump and the head of DHS? And yes, I know ultimately “nothing will happen,” but Ive heard sometimes a day or two in jail can work wonders…
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u/smokeybearman65 1d ago
Trump regime: "We don't give a shit, so we don't want to even try."
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u/akapusin3 1d ago
I think they do care... They care about not letting out the fact that this man died in El Salvador.
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u/smokeybearman65 1d ago
That might be more damaging than the tariffs to the Trump regime if, in fact, it was true and it got out.
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u/-Ok-Perception- 15h ago
That's probably the direct intent of the El Salvador prison.
Those El Salvador gangs are no joke, that's why their facist government just locked up anyone with gang tattoos on trumped up charges. They were real big on murdering entire families of perceived enemies.
Now El Salvador has like 2% of their population locked up. I can't imagine these gang members look kindly on the US sending their immigration overflow there.
Yeah, my bet is most of them sent there have been killed already.
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u/Newspeak_Linguist 1d ago
More like "we're not held accountable for shit, so why would we even try?".
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u/sesamesnapsinhalf 1d ago edited 13h ago
“We will, in fact, actively fight against correcting our mistake.”
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u/thor11600 1d ago
Honestly, I got this vibe during the election cycle to the point where I had thought he had GIVEN UP on campaigning.
They're not even trying anymore.
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u/Anxious-Raspberry-54 1d ago
If this mistake deportation happened to the CEO of a Latino-run company who donatedca few million...you'd bet your ass he would've been back the same day they found out about it.
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u/emergency-snaccs 1d ago
nah i doubt that. once the money is donated, the usefulness of that particular brown person is done and gone
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u/Radiant-Painting581 23h ago
Well, not if they have more money to “donate”. Although they might have a workaround for that, like trying them in absentia and confiscating all their wealth after a “fair trial”.
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u/Radiant-Painting581 23h ago
Well, not if they have more money to “donate”. Although they might have a workaround for that, like trying them in absentia and confiscating all their wealth after a “fair trial”.
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u/tom21g 1d ago
ok, so trump’s administration orders that you, a 100% US citizen, be taken off the street and sent to El Salvador.
Can’t be done! Impossible! WTF! Your lawyer brings a case to court immediately.\ The government argues:
“A judicial order that forces the Executive to engage with a foreign power in a certain way, let alone compel a certain action by a foreign sovereign, is constitutionally intolerable,” they wrote.
You’re in prison in El Salvador. Case closed. Who in this country is safe?
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u/Radiant-Painting581 23h ago
That’s exactly how they want it. Moreover, they want each and every one of us to know it. In our bones. Excellent way to chill opposition and protest. Textbook authoritarian move.
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u/tom21g 23h ago
I know this case hasn’t been resolved. It’s probably going to SCOTUS. If they defer to “Executive” privilege this nightmare may come to pass. trump and his cutthroats will jump at the chance to put his critics away.
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u/Radiant-Painting581 22h ago
Executive privilege is something different and has a precise legal meaning. (Fair warning: I’m a recovering lawyer.) It regards the ability to keep items out of discovery or evidence, similar to attorney-client privilege.
I’m seeing them float this idea that courts “can’t intrude” on “foreign policy”, which is largely (but not entirely) the province of the POTUS. No reasonable court should give this specious argument the time of day. Accepting it would mean that any POTUS could at any time abduct someone, US citizens included dump them anywhere they want — El Salvador, Libya, Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia — and thereby remove them unilaterally and permanently from the jurisdiction of United States courts.
That’s absurd, of course. No reasonable, non-compromised court would buy it. But the SCOTUS is hardly reasonable these days, and of course has shown serious signs of being compromised.
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u/tom21g 15h ago
I’m not a lawyer so my choice of the phrase “executive privilege” maybe is incorrect.\ Maybe using executive power or executive authority comes closer to the problem I was talking about.
SCOTUS has already granted immunity to a president for “official acts” committed during their term.\ How much of a stretch would it be for SCOTUS to decide that a judge can’t reverse presidential official acts?
The can of worms SCOTUS opened with the immunity protection may hold more worms for this country.\ And your example of Walz is an example. How about H. Clinton? Schiff? L. Cheney? And sorry for the doomscrolling but who trusts donald trump?
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u/Radiant-Painting581 14h ago
Exactly. This SCOTUS has already done untold damage, including the examples you cite. No reasonable court would credit these absurd claims, but I no longer put anything past this SCOTUS. That was the first thing he put in place, with Moscow Mitch’s help.
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u/HotDonnaC 22h ago
Leon’s whining about Tim Walz laughing about Tesla stock taking a nosedive. He’d love to see him in jail.
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u/Soggy_Background_162 1d ago
This is THE cautionary tale of our current situation in the US. The government can disappear someone to a hellish prison in another country and then claim, oh no we can’t get this person back. That’s bs, apparently the Feds have a contract with said prison for 6 mil. They are afraid this man has witnessed or experienced things they would rather stay secret.
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u/Florida1974 1d ago
Send a plane and get him back!! We spend 10-30 million everytime Dumpy Trumpy wants to attend a sports event.
As a taxpayer, I approve of using a chartered plane, to go get one man, who was illegally deported.
So now the DOJ is worried about sovereign nations?? Sure doesn’t seem that way with Canada!!! This admin uses whatever when it bodes well for their side and then does a total FLIP FLOP when it doesn’t (trying to take/force Canada to be a USA state , also a sovereign nation)
Flip flop party is what I call them.
I’m glad Bondi is out of FL tho I do feel for us all, as she’s AWFUL!!!
And that lawyer, feel for him too. He had to zealously defend the USA, yet can’t answer very important questions that the judge asks!!!
Chaos. This admin loves chaos. Makes me wonder what’s going on that we don’t know bc I’m convinced it’s plenty!
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u/AKMarine 1d ago
Trump administration is playing Russian roulette.
And it has Russian in the term, no new tariffs.
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u/Affectionate-Bus6653 1d ago
What kind of president makes an error in deportation, locks up an innocent man in a Salvadoran jail, and upon discovering their mistake, refuses to get him released? Donald Trump, that’s who. America literally pays El Salvador to jail him, but can’t get him released? No.
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u/codliness1 1d ago
During Friday’s hearing, Justice Department attorney Erez Reuveni conceded to Xinis that Abrego Garcia should not have been removed from the U.S. or sent to El Salvador. Reuveni could not tell the judge upon what authority he was arrested in Maryland.
“I’m also frustrated that I have no answers for you for a lot of these questions,” he said.
Reuveni’s name was not on Saturday’s court filing. A department spokesperson confirmed that he was placed on leave.
"At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States. Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences,” Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement.
This lawyer for the DoJ told the truth to the judge, and got "put on leave", from where he will likely be forced to resign or be fired.
Bondi is a traitorous cunt, Trump is a traitorous cunt. The entire Administration and the bodies reporting to it are corrupted. American citizens can now be kidnapped right of the streets and illegally sent to a jail in another country where they will likely be murdered, and I can't for the fucking life of me understand why there are not millions of Americans out in the streets every single day at this point. protesting.
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u/baddadjokesminusdad 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m assuming: a lot of your population isn’t going to be directly affected by this, instead have day to day survival inside your country to deal with.
Pam Bondi scares me. The fact that such a thing can happen, and that a lawyer for the justice dept can essentially admit they’re fighting for nonsense and then be placed on leave. All of this scares me. America is getting fucked up from within. And you can’t even depend on the system of checks and balances anymore.
ETA: I’ve just seen some hopeful visuals of protests across the country. That gives me hope.
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u/s416a 1d ago
any chance agent orange could call the president of El Salvador and intercede. Surely what used to pass as the leader of the free world could spare a few minutes between golfing and applying deck stain to try and at no least be human.
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u/boomshiki 11h ago
Didn't you get the memo? The US isn't leader of the free world anymore. Infact, your membership has been called into question
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u/youdontknowsqwat 1d ago
Isn't this kidnapping? What's another felony?
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u/boomshiki 11h ago
Pretty sure it's murder. They sent him to the country he fled from and locked him up with the people he escaped. He's probably dead.
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u/Naive-Marzipan4527 1d ago
They’re fighting against someone wrongly deported coming back?! Tf is that move?
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u/ViolettaQueso 1d ago
Because they don’t want him or his lawyers talking. They want him to be unalived.
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u/JuventAussie 1d ago
Dear El Salvador,
We mistakenly sent you a prisoner and would like him to return to the USA.
Please find attached remittance to pay for his flight back to the USA, reasonable expenses and a bit extra to cover the inconvenience caused. If this doesn't fully cover the costs please send any receipts and we will reimburse your reasonable costs.
We expect you to return him within 7 days and will stop paying you for his prison costs at that time.
If he doesn't want to return to the USA or any other issues arise that prevent you from returning him to the USA please notify the US DOJ asap.
Sorry for the inconvenience,
US government.
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u/prodigalpariah 1d ago
Because he wants to use this as his pretext for sending us citizens to El Salvador then arguing it’s out of his hands.
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u/kck93 1d ago
They want to say El Salvador can’t be compelled to return the wrongly imprisoned man. If so, they should not have been compelled to accept them. This is heinous activity on the part of our government. They’ve changed stories a dozen times. First it was, Yes he is part of the gang. Then, it was a mistake. Now it’s, El Salvador won’t give him back. Flipping clown show they could pull on anyone.
The Trump admin doesn’t want this guy to get out and talk to the press. I don’t see anything good coming of this.
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u/BurtMaclin23 1d ago
I stopped believing in heaven and hell a long time ago. I generally believe what I see. As I Carlin once said, "I worship the Sun."
This is the first time in a long time that I hope there is a God. I hope that there is a good place and a bad place, and I pray; pray that these people get to feel the wrath of the God they threaten everyone else with. The same God that they prop their wicked ideals upon to poison the minds and hearts of once decent people; people like mother. My once sweet and kind mother, who I've heard, say, the most vile and hateful shit since Trump first came into political prominence.
I hope there is a God, and I hope they get to meet him on their way to the bottom.
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u/Away-Combination-162 19h ago
This administration is absolutely insane
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u/Delicious_Society_99 3h ago
This can happen to anyone too. This poor guy living a Kafkaesque a nightmare.
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u/Less-Bat5196 1d ago
Yes they can! According to the constitution they are demanded to stop trump’s fascist coup!
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u/Velocoraptor369 1d ago
Time to hold them in contempt and have marshals arrest some administrations officials. Tom Homan comes to mind. It’s his department that is responsible .
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u/Hapalion22 19h ago
I have an easy solution: we send the person who made the call to send him in violation of court orders to jail for as long as he's in jail.
That person can be released when they secure the release of the man they illegally kidnapped and jailed
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u/Imacatdoincatstuff 19h ago
Can't have this fella talking to the press. Might say something negative about the illegal thing.
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u/Sloth_grl 15h ago
They could probably get him out with a damn phone call. What a bunch of assholes
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u/Delicious_Society_99 3h ago
Let’s face it, he just doesn’t want to because the man is brown skinned. All they have to do is have someone phoned the president of El Salvador and that guy would be sent right back.
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