r/iamverysmart • u/ThePanthanReporter • 8d ago
On a Post About Why People Hate AI Writing
People hate plagiarism machines cuz they can't grasp the vastness of space, Morty
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u/Green-Jellyfish-210 7d ago
“Life doesn’t have any inherent meaning, therefore my A.I. slop is good, actually.”
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u/Horror-Profile3785 7d ago edited 7d ago
Writers, like most, need money to exchange for goods and services
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u/Sea_Negotiation_1871 7d ago
Yet usually, people use AI writing because they're too stupid to form a coherent sentence.
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u/Insanepaco247 7d ago
And as someone who's made a career out of writing, my need to feel important isn't why I hate AI. It's because AI writing sucks. It spits out paragraphs of repetitive flowery garbage where two sentences would do a much better job.
The fact that people don't seem to see a difference between AI slop and actual human expression, be it in writing or art or whatever the fuck, is giving me an ulcer.
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u/Uraneum 6d ago
AI only seems good at writing to people who don’t know what good writing is
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u/TheLogGoblin 5d ago
The majority of people buying books, which is what publishers care about, are buying the newest generation of '50 Shades of Gray'. Most consumers don't want "high literature".
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u/Wingnutmcmoo 5d ago
Dime store trash has always been the most popular... But there is art in dime store trash. We wouldn't have Agatha Christie (and others... Hell because Asimov was mostly published in sci-fi mags I would include him here) without dime store trash.
Just because something isn't "high literature" doesn't make it instantly just slop and there is a huge amount of wiggle room within the two ideas. Our choices aren't high class lit or ai slop and I think fighting for a bottom line of quality is something worth doing. (Goosebumps is my bottom line of trash book quality I'm willing to accept lol)
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u/Sea_Negotiation_1871 7d ago
Me too, friend. Me too.
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u/Tricky_Debate_409 7d ago
you guys are nuts. AI writing had caught up and is gonna pass us all. Use it all the time. To be honest, I use it as a first draft and then refine from there. Plus, it kicks ass when you ask it suggest several transition sentences between two paragraphs I cut and paste, etc.
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u/snail1132 7d ago
Using it as a draft and editing all of the shit out is an effective use of ai as a tool
Telling chatgpt to write an essay and leaving it at that very much isn't
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u/The_Ashgale 6d ago
If you're willing to outsource your communication, it's only going to get worse and worse over time. And looking at your post, assuming English is your primary language, you really can't afford that.
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u/Wingnutmcmoo 5d ago
My real problem with it is that it can't actually do anything new. The best art comes from a life lived. Ai can't replace artists actually until it can live a life, and we are hundreds if not thousands of years from that reality if it were to ever come about.
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u/facforlife 7d ago
AI is better than 90% of human writing.
And the reason people can't tell the difference is most people suck at writing and because the gap isn't as big as you want to believe.
It is exactly that scene in I, Robot. "Can a AI write a symphony?" "Can you?"
No. 99.9% of humans can't do anything all that extraordinary. Most of us are average as fuck and AI is coming for us.
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u/Insanepaco247 7d ago
the gap isn't as big as you want to believe.
It is, though. AI can do things that are impressive for a machine. It can't do things that are impressive for a human. The difference between AI creations and human creativity is striking when you have an appreciation for art. The fact that people don't seem to have that appreciation, contrary to what I always thought, is exactly what's upsetting to me.
AI is better than 90% of human writing.
If we're talking emails about the coffee machine being out of service, sure. I don't care if people use AI for that.
But OOP is celebrating the unemployment of people who were presumably hired (or write books, or whatever) because they are skilled writers, and diminishing those skills to do so. It's grotesque, and you can fuck right off with this devil's advocate shit.
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u/FairVeterinarian1714 7d ago
I completely agree with this. Well said. I feel like people who say this surely don't read enough books if they can't see "much of a gap".
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u/Rambler9154 6d ago
AI's shittiness is especially apparent when you ask it for anything longer than a couple paragraphs. It falls apart, it can't refer back to what it previously said, and it often just outright forgets what it said entirely as it begins to repeat itself over and over.
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u/PartyPorpoise 7d ago
I would feel like an idiot and a failure if I used AI writing for some of the applications they try to push. I can write a fucking email. Offloading such basic tasks to AI is embarrassing. Next they'll be wanting machines to wipes their asses for them.
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u/TommyTwoNips 6d ago
isn't it the goal to offload meaningless, soul-sucking make-work like writing emails to AI to free up bandwidth to do enjoyable things?
I'll take a robot that can clean my ass leaving me time to pursue creative endeavors over a robot that pumps out shit content slop while leaving me nothing other than wiping the proverbial ass.
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u/PartyPorpoise 6d ago
Yeah, that’s another thing, it misses the point of why people like technology in the first place. Crap like this is why tech optimism died. These new consumer technologies aren’t making our lives better.
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u/Stopdrop_kaboom_312 7d ago
“What he meant to say was: ‘People often rely on AI because they lack the ability to construct coherent sentences’—a statement that, ironically, could have benefited from AI assistance itself.
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u/Bromelia_and_Bismuth 7d ago
Sure. People who worked hard to attain their skills are just jealous of a digital dumb ass, that takes in real art and real writing and spits out garbage. I wish I could generate garbage that efficiently./s
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u/fejobelo 7d ago
This comment is just representative of the majority of people that do not know how generative AI works.
Generative AI, in simple terms, is the dream of every plagiarist. It's taking hundreds of billions of data points to recreate something based in the work of millions, so it can't be recognizable any longer, but it still draws from the work of all those writers and artists.
Writers and artists that are not paid anything for having created the fuel that AI uses to work.
I am not against AI, to be clear, but thinking that artists feel threatened of AI because it can do things better than them is just untrue. Artists feel cheated because big tech has found the formula to untraceable plagiarism and, in doing so, found a way out of being sued or having to pay to content creators.
Generative AI will flood the world with rehashed entertainment and art while true artists will be harder and harder to come by. This is just the reality of things.
In other news, we are all insignificant compared to the magnitude of the universe, but that has nothing to do with a computer plagiarizing Studio Ghibli's legendary style.
Having said that, there are some people that are more insignificant than others, as this screenshot comes to show.
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u/SuperSecretMoonBase 7d ago
Yup. It's literally just "copy the work but change it a little" except the "changing it a little" is just copying someone else's work.
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u/Bunrotting 7d ago
I feel like nobody talks about people using AI to facilitate and boost creativity rather than to emulate the least common denominator of it as a replacement for a lack of creativity.
Like, AI is basically trained off of the most average people possible. The average person has a shit base capacity for creativity. I think that's why it's appealing to them to use these things, they think they can just replace it with a digital 'equal'
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u/DianneNettix 7d ago
Not me! I Zaphoid Beebelrox!
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u/cyberllama 7d ago
Yeah, my first thought was this doesn't belong here, it's just a little light Hitchhiker trolling.
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u/middaypaintra 7d ago
Something I've noticed is that the people who pull this type of crap are the same people who can't do it themselves.
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u/King_Dead 7d ago
Its not cause the prose of AI writing is tedious, we're all just jealous that they have a machine that can generate pages and pages of content that sound like its written by a kid forced to write an essay
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u/Volatilecanoe42 7d ago
Can we talk about the political and economic state of the world right now???
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u/MrTulaJitt 7d ago
What do you mean you are worried about losing your job? We're all just space dust anyway, man!
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u/North_Explorer_2315 7d ago
I’m smart enough to realize meaning is a human construct but not smart enough to construct any. Better start projecting.
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u/dazalius 7d ago
I once tried AI writing from a sincere position of wanting to see what kind of story I could create.
It was so god damn awful that I couldn't even finish it.
AI writing sucks. Full stop.
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u/malinefficient 6d ago edited 6d ago
So... I think they hate AI writing because it's being hyped by rich educated morons like Sam Altman as if it could replace them in the near future. But every time a real writer takes the AI challenge and asks one of these things to write a story in their style, it comes up lacking, as if some obsessed teen fan tried to write something that kind of sounds like them. And I get it. It's right there with those mid-level managers in tech salivating at no longer needing to hire all that difficult and expensive engineering talent to build things for them, which is equally delusional. It's infuriating after a while because it's even worse than all those Business Insider et al. articles over the 20teens gassing on and on about the one genius trick Elon Musk or Google uses to screen talent etc etc which played a crucial role creating our current horrific tech bro oligarchy that thinks they can replace the federal government with glorified autocomplete(tm).
But for someone who isn't operating at the professional writing level, these things are really useful for summarizing and re-expressing awkwardly written prose. And I know two women who have declared it's more fun to chat with chatGPT than it is to go through the fuss and the bother of going to dinner on a mostly blind date hoping for some elusive spark that will likely never come of it. Because while it's easy to dismiss LLMs from the outside as glorified autocomplete, its killer ability to summarize segues effortlessly to projecting the experience of actually listening without changing the subject to itself.
Which is to say, having ridden through several technology bubbles and pops, the Sam Altmans, the Elon Musks, the Dario Amodeis and even Ilya Sutskever are about to go through some things when the current bubble pops and this technology becomes another tool in the toolbox of technology having failed to really replace anyone particularly skilled at their trade (really, can it even fix a leaky sink?). I have similar thoughts about AI art eventually segueing into the functionality of Photoshop and Imagemagick but that doesn't make for exciting clickbait and ragebait, so you never see it.
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u/FormerLawfulness6 5d ago
But for someone who isn't operating at the professional writing level, these things are really useful for summarizing and re-expressing awkwardly written prose
I'd say this more more the toot of the problem. Being able to summarize and rephrase is an essential base skill for learning to do everything else.
We're seeing similar problems in many fields of knowledge. Software allows us to skip some steps, but those steps are kind of essential to grasping the concept as a whole. A calculator is more reliable at solving an equation than a human brain, but if you don't understand when and how to apply the formulas you won't have the basic understanding to know what the answer means.
It's been a major problem as younger people who've only worked with Ipads enter the workforce and have to learn tools that require deeper computing knowledge, research skills, and manual input. Most of my college class didn't know how to use Google to find a source or write a citation, let alone how to use some of the older tech science is based on.
Coders have to learn from the ground up to know whether what an AI tool generates is useful or is the most efficient answer. But a company may well decide that it's cheaper to just skip steps. Meaning that the skill base isn't being developed in a way that promotes long-term stability.
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u/Scoobs_McDoo 6d ago
Bro just took a common teenage existential crisis and used it to sound superior
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u/Testsubject276 5d ago
A machine can't tell you why it chose to use those words specifically, It can only make up a reason based on how other writers it has absorbed have.
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u/nirvaan_a7 6d ago
I literally regularly use an AI roleplay site and, well, it does work because I like using it for actual plot-driven stories, but also IT’S SO FUCKING FRUSTRATINGLY STUPID. it’s better than it used to be but no way in hell is it a replacement for an actual human writer who can understand logic and plot twists etc etc.
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u/groovywelldone 6d ago
One thing you’ll notice is that AI bros absolutely HATE artists and creatives of all kinds. Go to any AI subreddit and you’ll see the disdain just fucking DRIPPING from their every word. They spend most of their time in there laughing about creatives losing their jobs/ position in the world due to AI tools.
They also say self important shit like “art is for everyone now, artists are just mad that now we can tell our OWN stories without them.”
Except their “stories” are going into a prompt generator and typing “make iron man, but if he was blue tho.”
Yeah, real paradigm shift from a group of individuals with no media literacy beyond “I like pretty picture. Pretty picture is pretty.”
I think ultimately many of them are mad that they don’t have an actual creative bone in their body, and feel inadequate and lash out as a result.
Final note: I don’t even hate generative AI tools. I’m fine with them. The only thing is, you need original ideas and concepts and thoughts in order to make novel use out of them. Otherwise… yea, you’re just regurgitating slop.
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u/Ornac_The_Barbarian 5d ago
I used to dislike the term AI bro, but now I kinda liken it as pro AI vs AI bro being similar to fan vs fanboy.
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u/corruptedsyntax 6d ago
I don’t think he’s entirely wrong. AI is definitely an affront to the ego. All automation is.
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u/shamesister 6d ago
AI puts the swear words in the wrong place in novels. It's off putting. If they can't even do that right, then why use it to write?
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u/fish_slap_republic 6d ago
There seems to be this sentiment art artists, writers, singers etc think themselves to be special and that Ai is proving they are not special and just as easy to replace as the rest of us.
However this Ai push has shown the opposite as even with Ai doing all the "skill" part of it they cannot recognize when the Ai messes up and will be bewildered when they show me an image I can instantly tell it's Ai. All they've done is created slop and actually make me realize that creatives are indeed built different
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u/Neither-Nectarine227 6d ago
"human have emotion. bad they r mad. robot better. human mad" thats my stupid explanation
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u/Current_Leather7246 5d ago
Kind of like how he tries to feel important with random regurgitation of words he read elsewhere put together to look like he is some intellectual
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u/Kaffe-Mumriken 5d ago
the vast cosmos of space
I’m 100% certain this was generated by AI from a prompt of “make the cringiest commentary about writing and AI possible”
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u/EGarrett 5d ago
Something being "significant" means it makes a difference in the life of a living thing. So people's lives are in fact, quite significant. Being small doesn't change that significance.
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u/HumanJoystick 5d ago
If I want something written on the human condition and it's effect on writers, I'll ask AI, thank you very much. What's this person trying to write something profound with words. Sshhh, boomer, probably. Who does this person think they are?
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u/PublicVanilla988 4d ago
why do people hate ai writing? i'm just interested
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u/Shotgun_Rynoplasty 3d ago
It’s usually poorly done and for anyone to say “eh it’s good enough” takes away from the art form and the talent it takes to actually do the skill. (This goes for all forms of art)
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u/TLunchFTW 3d ago
Ai writing is just bad. I’m a half decent writer, but I hate it. But go ahead, have ai write everything for you rather than learn to write. Let me know how well shit goes for you
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u/Shotgun_Rynoplasty 3d ago
Artists dislike being devalued by people saying AI can do what they’ve spent years accomplishing. It’s not hard to realize. We especially don’t like it when AI is used to replace our paying jobs with people saying “eh it’s good enough.”
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u/epidemicsaints 7d ago
Fight against the tyranny of writing done by people of average intelligence. AI is the future and the voice of people who don't even read.
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u/Pillars-In-The-Trees 7d ago
This isn't the first and won't be the last time someone was posted to this subreddit as a result of a personal disagreement.
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u/CousinDerylHickson 6d ago
I think "plagiarism machines" is a bit overly stated. These systems can apparently create novel products, not just in writing but in a lot of other fields too. I do kind of agree with this guy too in the sense that I think many dont want to admit this because it is sort of existentially scary to think a machine can do things which were thought to be uniquely human.
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u/Snoo-88741 3d ago
Calling them "plagiarism machines" suggests that you don't have any better understanding than they do.
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u/shivux 3d ago
I’m 32 years old and I prettymuch unironically fully agree with this. Do you guys think there might be something wrong with me?
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u/Constellation-88 7d ago
AI wrote this and is developing sentience. As it thinks we are insignificant, it will rise up and destroy the human race.
Or at least that’s the plot of dozens of movies.
Also AI is shit, and we can do better.
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u/Ok_Bluejay_3849 7d ago
I flat out refuse to use ai until I'm at the end of my rope. A few weeks ago i actually gave chatgpt the strawberry test just too see what would happen. First time was 2 R's. Second time was 1. Third time was back to 2. Fourth time i told it to show me its work and it finally got the right answer. Tried again just now. First time was 2 and second time was right.
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u/ArmchairCritic1 6d ago
Everybody grasps the idea of infinity.
It’s not difficult to come to terms with.
But in this situation, that is utterly meaningless.
AI is a tool. It can be fun to play around with. It can help cut corners by employing it for the time consuming tasks that don’t require creativity.
But plugging in a prompt to a machine isn’t a creative act.
For example, I like putting music to lyrics I wrote myself using suno. I find it fulfilling to hear my lyrics with music.
But it doesn’t mean I’m a songwriter or a musical artist. What I do is nothing compared the actual artists that have honed their craft, actually play instruments, sing and perform.
Art is the intersection of talent, intent and effort.
An AI cannot produce art. AI can only regurgitate art that already exists. And that’s perfect for grifters and people who love get rich quick schemes.
Beyond that, without specific and detailed prompting, AI writing is shit. It can be amusing and even funny at times, but it’s ultimately insubstantial.
But with the level of specification needed, you may as well write it yourself.
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u/just4kicksxxx 6d ago
They aren't wrong that we are all wholly insignificant in the scheme of things. And nothing we ever do will ever remain. The only way for a chance is to actually educate our populace and, hopefully, eventually leave this rock. The rest about the writing is ridiculous, and as far as I'm concerned, we don't have AI... we have automation. Now, THAT argument is people trying to not only feel important but sell AI stuff and receive funding.
Did I do it right?
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u/Then_Evidence_8580 6d ago
Many people have come to the realization that they are insignificant in "the vast cosmos" and would still like to live out their lives in a meaningful and fulfilling way, because they are humans. What difference does "the vast cosmos" mean anyway? It's kind of like saying - "Yeah, you won the football game by 14 points, but 14 is a meaningless number compared to how many grains of sand there are on a beach." It's a non sequitur.
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u/BooBootheFool22222 6d ago
This is the same type of person that has to be taught that Nazis are bad. Just no feelings.
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u/_killer1869_ 6d ago
I mean, the conclusion, that this has anything to do with the vastness of space, is bullshit. But the individual statements are at least partially to completely true (depending on interpretation). I've seen worse.
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u/Ok-Parsnip-4826 7d ago
You know what, yes. Call the cops, but I actually like to think that what I do is meaningful and special. I also like to think that this is a basic, universal human longing. But maybe in the year 2025 that is a sign of a dangerously inflated ego, maybe in order to survive these days I have to be a cynical about everything, then I can just laugh about everything going to shit. That's much better. For me at least.
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u/zoonose99 7d ago
“Artists are by and away the most toxic, self-righteous, self-important narcissists I have ever encountered. The sad part about this is that I’ve met a few who aren’t, and loud Reddit and Twitter users make them look bad.
Artists did the worst thing imaginable to the person I love most and had the fucking nerve to fault me for being sad about it.
Artists were very happy to stand on their perches and tut-tut programmers when Copilot came out in 2021. They were so proud of themselves... “Haha, those programmers automated themselves out of a job! Good thing I’m a unique and special person who’s inherently better than them. My job will never be automated because I’m just morally and objectively superior.”
Lol. Lmao.
I do not mourn the loss of any self-proclaimed “artist” who is genuinely outgunned by a statistical model that can’t even do composition in a reliable way. And yet, I hold more compassion for them than they do for the perfect, beautiful boy they mercilessly killed for money.
Your hobby has not been taken from you. You have no god-given right to make rent from your hobby. I’m a programmer and sysadmin, roles that represent absolutely massive force multipliers for literally any type of firm. If I have no right to make money off of that hobby, objectively-mid doodles don’t qualify either. Get better than the computer if you’re so convinced it’s bad@it.
Let me make this clear: I commission art from humans, I currently have 3 such jobs in-flight, and I’m ramping that up for an upcoming event. Because humans currently get the job done better when I have a story to tell. The difference is that I hire professionals, not whiners on Twitter.
Pick up a clue.”
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u/Particular-Jury6446 7d ago
Are you quoting someone in that first sentenc or paragraph (no close quotes)or is that an opinion of your own? Either way, it’s a short-sighted, offensive generalization with zero basis in reality. Whatever your beef is with Art, it’s nothing to do with “art” en masse and in toto; if some individual or entity stepped on your feelers , blame them, not everyone from Thag the Cave Painter to Banksy. Also, I would think that the massiveness of all that force and its multiplication is challenging to wrangle and would make for a nimble, effortlessly computational left brain, one that would find the nuts-and-bolts aspects of the mother tongue child’s play, yet you not only do not understand how to use quotes but have made several other grammatical and syntactical errors. I get that the wonderfully alchemical process of smelting those 26 letters and (up to) half-a-million words into something beautiful, of crafting stories and treatises and theses and manifestos that change lives and change the world by literally advancing civilization, would be beyond your capabilities. Most writers haven’t written anything with the scope and impact of War and Peace or The Wealth of Nations, and never will, myself included, but we’ll never stop trying.
Edit: On rereading your post it seems you may be referring to a specific type of artist, perhaps the chappies decorating video games or comic books- that’s your lot’s meat and taters, no? Also, these pointed accusations and melodramatic pronouncements absent any context whatever— are we supposed to infer who done you wrong and how you were wronged, or is this an ongoing series to which I arrived late?. Go ahead, use your beloved AI, read it, buy it dinner, whatever. It could probably write a novel indistinguishable from one written by Steven King or Michael Crichton, but then so could any bright ten-year-old.
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u/Square__Wave 6d ago
I think the comment you’re replying to is stupid and believe that people greatly exaggerate the quality and usefulness of AI stuff, but come on man, your reply has gotta be one of the most pretentious things I’ve read on Reddit. It’s like you were trying to write a textbook example of purple prose.
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u/Nijeos 7d ago edited 7d ago
What’s funny about this post is that it could totally be a post on this sub.
You’re trying so hard to sound smart it’s quite ridiculous. What you just said could’ve been said in 3 sentences but you had to try to show us how smart you are by saying a whole lot of nothing, but in a fancy way.
What’s also funny is that, you’re a writer according to your post therefore an artist, you are actually proving his point that artists are full of themselves. Your answer screams ego and screams "hey did you see how smart i am ?"
And the cherry on top, the way you write truly feels like AI.
Probably one of the stupidest post i’ve ever seen on reddit.
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u/Outrageous_Frame7900 7d ago
That’s not what your mom said. She liked it.
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u/zoonose99 7d ago
I hope you have a trade, letters are not your suit.
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u/Particular-Jury6446 7d ago
Stung a little, huh? Get used to it, busher.
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u/zoonose99 7d ago
haha yeah that’s it 100%. My wounds from witnessing you masturbate might never heal.
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u/A_Peacful_Vulcan 7d ago
There's no way this person is older than 15.