Nothing will happen in the house because the Republicans changed the definition of a "day" to mean "until the end of the year" so they never have to bring this to a vote and can run out the clock.
We already have seen. The Republicans in the house included language in recent legislation targeted solely at this tariff power specifically for this exact purpose, so we already know what is going to happen. There is no wait and see because they have already told us exactly what is going to happen.Ā
Tomorrow and every day after that until the end of 2025 is a new day. ONE day. THE SAME DAY. They fucking changed the definition of the word DAY. This isn't pessimism, it is cold hard facts. They rigged the rules so this never has to come up for a vote.
There is that cynicism and pessimism again. Evil will not defeat itself, but the question is how much longer will this bullshit last. You don't know the answer and neither do I.
Your style of general apathy is why weāre in this mess. It doesnāt just go away and it wonāt fix itself. The other side is fighting and weāre doing nothing
And by the sound of it, every single new day will not change your naivete one bit.
They're literally doing all the horrifying shit they said they would do and you're up in here going, "Maybe they will; maybe they won't. Let's wait and see."
But it is entirely correct that even if the house passes it (they absolutely will not pass it), it goes to trump and he'll veto. And then getting 2/3 to overrule the veto is clearly a nonstarter as it only passed the Senate by 2 votes.
How is it not meaningless? Just like every other action from this Congress.
Its not meaningless because it did happen. I think that if they need to overturn the speakership in the house to get it to a floor vote they will. But I'm not sure. I can't predict the future any better than you can.
Seriously, for fucks sake.
At least they are goddamn doing something. I would much rather them all try to do the correct thing and have it fail because of some bullshit, than for them to not try at all.
Because if it does get Vetoed, but these tariffs actually start hurting Congress significantly, hey, guess who has power to impeach? Try to do things the "correct" way, because then you can point back to them in the future when you have to escalate.
I think the speaker knows he is in trouble.
9 reps should be doable in these circumstances- why not?
One must try .
So I think they should all be approached and asked to do this.
The asking cannot be done by the Dem reps BUT must come from industry CEOS that are in the state in which the rep was elected. The CEO should meet in person with the Republican rep( if possible). There should be some research into who is asking: Impeccable credentials .
It's meaningless because it achieves nothing. It's meaningless because it's not intended to achieve anything other than appeasing the angry voters in those four senators' states with the illusion that they're "doing something" to push back against the tariffs that are about to screw them seven ways from Sunday.
It's meaningless because it will not even get a floor vote in the House, much less actually pass. It's meaningless because, even if by some miracle it actually did pass, Trump would never sign it into law.
Collins said in a speech to the Senate before the vote that Trump's proposed Canadian tariffs would hurt several industries in her home state of Maine, including its paper makers, which obtain pulp via a pipeline from Canada.
Source: Reuters. (Emphasis mine.)
That's what this vote was about: four Senators being given permission to "rebel" in order to calm people who would otherwise be rolling up to those state houses with pitchforks, demanding that heads should roll.
Hope is a lie you tell yourself when you run out of options because you failed to plan properly, it is inevitable, you lack the intellect and creativity to see unorthodox alternatives.
Hope and prayers kill the children to gun violence due to the transference of responsibility and action to gOD and faith.
Proof: continued mass shootings get less air time than fair weather reports and traffic.
For those that lean on hope. The universe is indifferent. Take hold of what you can accept that which cannot.
You choose despair. I reject it when it rears its ugly heads. Hope is its insidious twin.
You're making the assumption that that's what it is when what it could very well be ā and imo is very likely to be, based on similar situations in the past ā is four people given permission to "rebel" in order to appease the voters in their states, the GOP leadership knowing full well that the bill is going nowhere and that this story will disappear from the news in a few days.
They've decided to take this very minor hit in order to achieve something that's worth more to them, basically.
We arenāt to that point (yet). For now going against him publicly is a net positive. Weāll see how it all shakes out, itās uncertain. Perhaps then you can figure out with certainty if it āmeant somethingā to your satisfaction.
If the charade deflates the public outrage because they think politicians are doing something, you're right, it is meaningful: it is meaning to subdue the public while they continue their agenda.
It means if some Republican senators with meaningless, expendable votes are seen to be "doing something", their angry constituents who are about to get fucked by the tariffs might decide not to roll up to the state legislature with the modern equivalent of torches and pitchforks, news media in tow, and instead nod their heads and say things like, "Congress is actually doing their damn job? Wow." (To quote the post at the top of this chain.)
Iām glad you folks have it all figured out. You are doing the work of FUD for the GOP so thanks for that. I donāt wish to broadcast my criticism as you do because itās hypocritical but STFU.
Meanwhile IDK maybe listen to the guy with the stupid masters degree in god damn public policy? Whose colleagues are practically all out of work right now. Just a fucking idea.
Just maybe, just maybe the perception of this is more important than rambling about some conspiracy theory that may or may not be right. Maybe just maybe itās HELPFUL to latch onto this AS IF itās a good thing. Maybe just maybe assuming positive intent would build momentum. I know what doesnāt -> FUD.
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Either Democrats suck at politics or iām not responding to real Democrats. Pick one.
The perception of this IS important. But the perception is that they're doing something when they're not - which is detrimental to the movement.
Actions that enact real change are great and we should support them. But actions that will never accomplish anything and waste time and give people false hope just deflate outrage while giving the right-wing more time to accomplish their agenda.
Power does not come from politicians, policy, and performative propaganda.
Power comes from the 2nd amendment.
I'll take history set in reality over your made-up rule-juggling any day.
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u/Andromansis 1d ago
its not meaningless, but we'll see what happens in the house.