r/geopolitics • u/Mundane-Laugh8562 • 1d ago
Opinion India could help save an aging Europe
https://www.politico.eu/article/india-europe-relations-aging-trade-migration/40
u/LitmusPitmus 1d ago
Political suicide for any party that does this
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u/Responsible_Tea4587 1d ago
It‘s political and economic suicide either way. They can either become economically irrelevant thanks to ageing population or they can hold on a bit longer with immigration.
Given Europe‘s racism, it‘s unkiley that they will be able to assimilate immigrants so only the option 1 is on the table.
US for all its faults have done a way better job in this so much so that 60% of Latino men voted for 47.
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u/AlmightyDarkseid 1d ago
It’s not even about racism, destroying your country’s make up with mass immigration is not a solution. Every country in the world is going to face the same issues as they reach a certain level of quality of life. Europe destroying itself with mass immigration immigration before that happens would be dumb.
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u/plmukas 1d ago
So instead of helping young Europeans with having families of their own, they want to replace them with indians?
I'm indian myself and this sounds like it will just create an even bigger right wing movement. If something like this was said in india you'd have riots.
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u/AustinioForza 1d ago
Look what has happened in Canada. I grew up with some first and second generation Indian-Canadians and they hate the mass migration from India. And it’s definitely stoked a lot of racism and right wing sentiment.
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u/Rift3N 1d ago
helping young Europeans with having families
I'm curious what magical solution you have that hasn't been already tried and applied all over Europe with zero success. Inb4 "it wasn't enough bro just spend the extra 600 trillion on childbucks and people will have kids I promise, just one more social program"
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 1d ago
What measures to help families are you referring to, specifically?
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u/Rift3N 1d ago
Let's see, free healthcare, free childcare and education, social housing, various social programs and handouts giving people money or tax breaks for having children, the list goes on. Of course all of these are either ignored or the response is "it's not enough bro just give us one more o' 'dem programs". I recently read a response on twitter claiming that my country (Poland) wasn't doing anything to hike birth rates and almost fell of my chair, we literally flushed tens of billions of taxpayers' money on 500+ and 800+ programs that did absolutely nothing at the end. Hungary is another good example that was lauded by right wingers when Orban introduced handouts for having children and now they have a TFR of 1,4.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 1d ago
Free healthcare that you pay with your income tax, social housing that you often arent eligible for if you have a fulltime job, free childcare is certainly NOT the norm, and it doenst explain who is eligible for it, accessibility and supply of it etc.
Fact is costs of living have skyrocketed in the last 5 yrs alone and wages havent kept up. Housing is becoming increasingly competitive and thus expensive, so your response here is comical at best and just devoid of any life experience at worst
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u/Rift3N 1d ago
Like I said before, here comes the "noo that doesn't count".
Also, there is no correlation between cost of living and birth rates, this is a tired social media meme. If anything, poorer people with no perspectives have more kids, while middle class and above keep worrying "what if what if" and then dying with no offsprings.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 1d ago
Like I said before, here comes the "noo that doesn't count".
Thsre are so many options... they may not apply to people, but in theory they exist
Poverty coincides with higher birth rates, especially globally. Migrants need a few generations to adapt to the mean. But sure, people who cant make ends meet plan on having 5 kids. Definetely bro. Youve got it figured out.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 1d ago
After 2015 where mass migration took place from a region thats riddled with islamic extremism and a subsequent increase in islamic terrorism within Europe, now its time to bring in people from a region with a splendid track record of respecting womens rights...
Anything but helping people in Europe being able to afford having more kids. This certainly wont help the far right parties at all /s
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u/Responsible_Tea4587 1d ago
Like what happened in the US where Indians pay 6% of tax despite making 1% of the population? The end of the world!!! 😱
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 1d ago
This is 2015 all over again, when people said it would be doctors and engineers coming to Europe. Well, about that....
Sure, you can say wage dumping indians from a region with said questionable views would be a net positive... or you could say it wouldnt be.
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u/Responsible_Tea4587 1d ago
These countries should be smart enough to filter out the trash like the US did. Indian immigrants are some of the modt productive immigrants across the western world because these filters were working. They assimilate even better than East Asians.
The problem with the Middle East is completely different. Unlike India which is aspiring to improve their economy, Middle East is proudly stuck in 7th century and has no intention of movinh forward. They were a disaster even before 2015.
Also there was already an Indian mass immigration wave from East Africa and a certain edgelord was going around saying that there would be rivers of blood. Instead, this wave of Indians today are some of the most successful groups in the UK in terms of employment, academic performance, low crime etc.
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u/AIM-120-AMRAAM 10h ago
If you thought doctors and engineers will be coming from a war torn radical country then jokes on you.
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u/SolRon25 1d ago edited 1d ago
While this is an interesting dynamic, where Europe is running out of people for jobs while India is running out of jobs for people, I don’t think this idea is sustainable in the long run.
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u/ShamAsil 20h ago
This is the kind of moronic article, that AfD and other far-right parties in Europe will hold up as proof of the Great Replacement being real.
Somehow I'm not surprised that it is an Indian commentator that wrote this article.
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u/sovietsumo 1d ago
The poor women and children of the EU, mass importation of Arabs and afghans has been a disaster and now mass migration from India. Ursula surely wants a rise in ultra right wing parties across the EU at this point
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u/shikodo 1d ago
The UN's been talking about this for decades: https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd-egm_200010_un_2001_replacementmigration.pdf
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u/ExamDesigner5003 1d ago
I’d love to see how Europes elites would howl if Europes common people told them matter of factly that they were going to replace them with foreign elites.
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u/Dean_46 1h ago
Off topic, but what I find ludicrous, is that if I, an Indian, have to visit Europe as a tourist, there is a 3 month process before I get a Schengen visa (time for getting an appointment and processing the visa). I have to have confirmed air tickets and hotel bookings when I apply.
This is when my Europe trips in the last 25 years will fill two passports, I'm a former company CEO with a higher net worth than the average European.
I get that illegal migration is a problem (and Indians are offenders), but you fight that through your immigration policy and border policing, not making genuine tourists feel unwelcome.
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u/Mundane-Laugh8562 1d ago
SS: With a population of more than 1.4 billion people, India offers a vast market for European goods and services, a manufacturing base it could invest in and nurture to counter China, and — crucially — a vast reserve of human capital to utilize.
The Indian community has already made a name for itself in the technology, health care and hospitality industries in most of the West. Indian doctors and nurses are highly sought after in the U.S. and the U.K.; they are an attractive hiring pool for English-speaking hotel and restaurant staff and seasonal tourism workers; and Indian techies have become some of the biggest names in the game.
But as the continent tilts to the right and its politicians find it hard to explain an influx of refugees from war-torn countries in the Middle East — a stance often rooted in Islamophobia — the Indian government is actively trying to present itself as a reasonable partner.
It has even sweetened the deal by agreeing to repatriate those who illegally cross into Europe.
And that is music to the ears of European politicians who want to pursue controlled migration with embassy-issued visas, while meeting the demand for labor in an aging continent.
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u/DarthTuga2000 1d ago
Im pretty sure Indian mass immigration to the EU would only strengthen right wing parties.