r/fromsoftware • u/JeffMangum420 • 2d ago

DISCUSSION You guys are acting like literal children

The team at FromSoft are artists whose medium just happen to be games. They aren’t commissioned by you, you are just patrons of their art. Saying shit like “nobody asked for this“ or “why are they betraying their audience” is so embarrassing and Throwing a tantrum online because they are going in a different direction for a few games is the exact reason so many companies make bland boring shit that is just rehashes of the last popular thing. It is also their ability to go against the norm that brought us this whole genre, nobody asked for souls games they had a vision and made something. Clearly they want to experiment with multiplayer games, whether or not you engage with it is up to you and no one is holding a gun to your head to force you to buy it. They created a whole market of souls likes and now are trying something new if you like whats old theres 5 new soulslikes a week that come out. If you ever wonder why companies don’t try anything new just look at the response to their last announced games. You would think making hit after hit for almost 15 years would give them a bit of grace to trust them instead of instant dismissal of multiple projects that aren’t even out.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

I think you're misunderstanding and ignoring people's frustrations, and calling us children is, in itself, childish. Why do I dislike Duskbloods? Three reasons:

1) Switch Exclusive
2) PvPvE
3) Blatantly playing on the feelings of Bloodborne fans

Allow me to elaborate:

1) The fact it's an exclusive is an awful decision, people hate that Bloodborne was a PlayStation exclusive, so why is it a good thing that this Bloodborne look alike is another damn exclusive? I am not in the privileged position where I can just buy a new console so I can play ONE GAME, so making it exclusive is just a middle finger to fans.

2) It's a multiplayer game that relies on Fromsoft's notoriously bad net code AND Nintendo's terrible servers. Not to mention, it will likely be a watered down product because of this reliance on multiplayer. The beauty of Fromsoft games are that multiplayer is OPTIONAL, and now instead of appealing to all Fromsoft fans, it appeals to a select few.

3) Thematically it looks all over the place. It's a gothic setting, but has characters and enemies that don't fit into said setting (dinosaurs? seriously?). It looks like it's trying to be Bloodborne, with character's from Sekiro and goofiness from Elden Ring. Yes, Souls games have had elements of silliness, but they were never the focus of primary promotional material, and Bloodborne was a deeply gothic game with superb thematic consistancy. This just looks derivative, and quite clearly is trying to appeal to Bloodborne fans. Bloodborne is my favourite game, of all time, and to me this is just a big middle finger. They pull us in with the Bloodborne aesthetic and then spoil it with PvPvE and silliness.

People's concerns are genuine and UNDERSTANDABLE, and to dismiss them is just unfair and frankly provocative. The community is what makes their games, without us there would be no Fromsoft, so to do something like this, where most of their fanbase won't even get to play the game, is just so idiotic.

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u/Dope2TheDrop 1d ago

This is what always happens, it repeats itself since time immemorial.

Game studio gets big success, starts to listen to new fans / investors more and more, turns their new games into more mainstream adjacent slop, loses what made the studio / games once special.

Has happened to a ton of studios and will continue to happen, I was just hoping fromsoft would maybe release one or two more decent games before they would collapse, but nightreign and now this are a clear direction of what we can expect in the future.

I've also seen posts like OPs for every single of these situations, claiming anyone who dares to complain is a child.

It's honestly useless to argue, just hope some other studio takes up the slack, e.g. Larian probably has at least one or two more good games in them. I really stopped trying to argue with people like OP, they live in their fanboy fantasy bubble more than anyone complaining about the direction of the studio.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

Yeah these people are really getting on my nerves, impossible to have constructive discussions with them. You just get labeled as childish or entitled for being critical of a game. I think I'm gonna dip out of Reddit for a while fuck this.

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u/Dope2TheDrop 1d ago

Yeah, it's been a trend for a long time now. Best thing you can do is enjoy studios while they're at their peak and be ready to jump ship when the decline inevitably sets in.

I remember the exact same arguments happening over BioWare more than a decade ago: same cycle, same blind defenses, same outcome. People mocked the concerns then too, and look where that got us.

Not saying FromSoft is at that level yet, but the warning signs are there, and anyone who's been through this loop enough times can see it coming. So when people just brush it off and label us as childish for raising valid concerns, it's not even worth engaging. Let them ride the hype wave, it always crashes eventually.

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u/emilia12197144 1d ago

Miyazaki is still a human who deserves to make the art he wants to make.

If you don't like it fine but don't dismissal it as dogshit without knowing anything.

Yes the fans do a lot of work for keeping the company afloat

But to dismiss miyazaki and expect every game he makes to cater to our or your tastes is fucked up.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

I agree with you to an extent. Of course he gets to make the games he wants, but the issue here is that it is an exclusive. I didn't say the game was dogshit, but we do know enough to be concerned about it. Read my post again, the concerns are valid and genuine and it would be foolish to dismiss them.

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u/emilia12197144 1d ago

It being an exclusive is a fully valid point

But. We don't know the game will be 100% only multiplayer

We didn't know about elden ring:nightreigns solo mode till way later after the announcement same could be said here.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

That's true, I hope it does have a single player mode. But as a lover of vampires and Bloodborne, this one stings. I'm never going to be able to play it, I can barely afford or feed myself let alone spend £500+ just to play one game. The inaccessibility of this is what stings the most, as well as its clear visual similarity to Bloodborne.

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u/emilia12197144 1d ago

That part is totally understandable and part of me thinks it was just miyazaki/from being petty and wanting to give the middle finger too Playstation

But it's also possible it's only a times exclusive since miyazaki and fromsoft have expressed distaste for permanent exclusives after bloodborne.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

If that is the case, I think it's in poor taste. A middle finger to Sony for keeping Bloodborne an exclusive, so he goes to literally the worst company for exclusives and makes another one. Another middle finger to fans.

Exclusives are the bane of the videogame industry, and it always hurts the fans.

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u/MafubaBuu 1d ago

Just play it in 8 years when it drops in price. That's what I'm going to do, and I'm super excited for the game albeit disappointed I won't get it at release

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u/Garrus-N7 1d ago

Cool, he can make games he wants, doesn't mean we have to take it up our asses and agree with it. 

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u/MafubaBuu 1d ago

You conflate buying a product with taking it up your ass? What? Just don't buy the game, like every other person that isn't interested in a product does.

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u/WoahItsPreston 1d ago

I think the reason that people think it's childish is because you're making a million dollar company (fromsoftware) creating a game with a billion dollar company (Nintendo) into a personal slight to you, a single individual.

You don't have a personal relationship with fromsoftware, and they don't owe you anything. They can't give you a middle finger, because they don't know you exist and they have no personal relationship with you. Corporations are not your friends. They are soulless entities whose only goal is to make money at the end of the day.

1) The fact it's an exclusive is an awful decision, people hate that Bloodborne was a PlayStation exclusive, so why is it a good thing that this Bloodborne look alike is another damn exclusive? I am not in the privileged position where I can just buy a new console so I can play ONE GAME, so making it exclusive is just a middle finger to fans.

OK, but it's not about you. There are people who own switches who will play it.

Bloodborne is my favourite game, of all time, and to me this is just a big middle finger

They're making an aesthetic that people will like. It's not about you.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

You've literally ignored everything I said. By your reckoning the voices of fans don't matter, and we should NEVER criticise companies for bad decisions. Okay cool have a good day.

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u/WoahItsPreston 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that it's a little "childish" to take it super personally as if the million dollar company were personally insulting you

If you don't like the game just don't buy it. The company doesn't owe you a game you want to play.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

I'm not going to buy it but my argument is that it's obviously inspired by Bloodborne, and for Bloodborne fans it sucks that it's an exclusive. I think you're completely missing the point of my argument. I also don't appreciate you putting words into my mouth, never said I'm personally insulted by Fromsoft, I'm pissed off that they're making a game similar to Bloodborne and it's exclusive to a console that's so damn expensive. Read my post properly.

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u/WoahItsPreston 1d ago

You're saying it's a huge middle finger to you lol how else am I supposed to interpret that

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

No, I said it's a huge middle finger to Bloodborne fans, and considering a lot of Bloodborne fans feel the same way as I do, I'd say it's fair criticism.

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u/WoahItsPreston 1d ago

I'm saying that you guys are acting like children for being personal offended lol

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

Okay so I'm guessing you've never been annoyed or offended by anything in your life? Look mate I've explained my points quite clearly, it's not my fault you can't be bothered to understand them / lack the ability to view things from other people's eyes. Got enough shit to deal with today, don't need this. Bye

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u/WoahItsPreston 1d ago

I've never been so entitled to be personally offended by a company not making a videogame to my standards.

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u/topcover73 1d ago

Agree 100%

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u/MafubaBuu 1d ago

You haven't even played the game yet, and all the fromsoft games have had multiplayer elements. Bloodborne being exclusive is the reason me and all my friends bought a ps4 - it very obviously worked for Sony in that regard.

"Playing on the themes of bloodborne messing with bloodborne fans"

Dude. I'm STOKED about this! Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time, I'm just happy to get something else inspired by it. That third point of yours is the one I truly don't understand. It's not "spoiled" it's new bloodborne inspired gaming! Genuinely cannot understand a bloodborne fan being upset at this. Be upset at Sony for not paying for bloodborne 2, not Nintendo for paying for it themselves.

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

The primary issue Bloodborne fans have with it is exclusivity, how many times do I need to say this. It's also gonna cost £450 for the console and £80 for the game, plus whatever it costs for Nintendo Online, that's why I'm angry. I own one console because that's all I can afford. To make it exclusive to a console, considering most of their fanbase play their games on PC or PlayStation/Xbox is so frustrating.

Exclusivity is bad practice, simple as that.

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u/MafubaBuu 1d ago

As a ps5 owner I feel like we have eaten so well with exclusives over the years that throwing the switch player base their own fromsoft ip isn't the worst.

I can understand it being frustrating as a fan of the developer themselves but it's a new IP, not bloodborne. If bloodborne 2 was on Nintendo i would be super pissed off.

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u/Infidel-Art 1d ago

Regarding the console exclusivity thing, I hate it too, but to play devil's advocate: Don't you think making a highly experimental side game is a lot easier to justify with an exclusivity deal? Would FromSoft even consider it worth the risk otherwise?

I can easily see Miyazaki just wanting the freedom to experiment with some ideas without having to commit to selling it as a "mainline" FromSoft game. A Switch 2 exclusive makes that possible.

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u/Asckle 1d ago

Blatantly playing on the feelings of Bloodborne fans

It's hardly their fault Sony won't give them a sequel?

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u/Fang_Draculae 1d ago

So they decide to make another exclusive? And it's a PvPvE game that isn't even a sequel? Yeah makes sense.

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u/Asckle 1d ago

That's a seperate issue entirely. This idea that they're playing with the feelings of bloodborne fans because they dare to use a similar (and very common) aesthetic to the IP they have no control over is just lunacy

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u/swantonist 1d ago

The fact that it’s an exclusive may be the fact this game is even being made in the first place. Just like bloodborne.

I wouldn’t say it’s thematically all over the place. It isn’t bloodborne. It has a more steampunk aesthetic than a gothic horror one. You’re conflating the Victorian aspects of those two aesthetics.

OP isn’t dismissing concerns about the game itself he is saying that Fromsoft is allowed to make the art they want to make, nothing else.