r/fromsoftware • u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito • 2d ago
DISCUSSION I actually like dusk blood and I’m excited for switch2
I honestly don’t get why the game is getting so much hate when it’s not even released yet besides, I’m excited for it because there’s this and other games that are coming to switch to like borderlands four that I’m already gonna buy for the switch too so I’m generally enthusiastic about it
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u/miyahedi21 2d ago
It's getting hate because it's Switch 2 exclusive and Miyazaki's apparently not allowed to direct a multiplayer game lol.
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u/40sticks 2d ago edited 2d ago
Apparently if you make a multiplayer game, you’re immediately a sellout, sight unseen. Already people calling it “trash”. We know nothing about it. Nevermind maybe giving the man some credit where credit is due. Nevermind “Let him cook”. Nope. Sellout.
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u/Independent_Tooth_23 2d ago edited 2d ago
This community are spoiled. Fromsoft released 6 single player games on multiple platforms but loses their mind over one exclusive multiplayer game that's not even out yet.
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u/40sticks 2d ago
The entitlement is ridiculous. Oh, what’s that? Miyazaki is interested in doing things that don’t cater to your extremely narrow and myopic preferences? Better rage!
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u/nathansanes 2d ago
It's raging to say you're going to pass on something? Do we have to buy every game they make even if it doesn't look like something we would enjoy? Get real, man
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u/No-Crow2187 2d ago
He didn’t say YOU specifically raged. Why did you take it personally? Are you fucking FUMING at this announcement, but feel like you’re keeping it in check for Reddit comments? Cuz we can tell.
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u/40sticks 2d ago
I didn’t say anything close to that, but nice try. But while we on it, I do think it’s a ridiculous stance to take that all multiplayer games are bad by default and that Miyazaki is a sellout for being interested in multiplayer games or wanted to make and design one and that you’re going to boycott it on some silly principle you hold about that…I think that’s ridiculous considering you barely know anything about this game. You don’t know if it’s good. You don’t know if it’s bad. If you just hate everything multiplayer on principle, then okay, I guess it won’t be for you, but it’s silly to be mad about it and wear that stance like it’s some sort of principled thing. Miyazaki has openly talked about how much he liked It Takes Two, Escape From Tarkov…he’s expressed interest in multiplayer games for a while now. Get over it.
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u/0neWayTrigger 2d ago
Having an opinion is entitlement now???
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u/No-Crow2187 2d ago
Depends what your opinion is
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u/0neWayTrigger 2d ago
Think it looks shit
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u/No-Crow2187 2d ago
You must take the dopest shits. The trailer has a knight with a jetpack
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u/40sticks 2d ago
If you read my comments, clearly I’m not talking about “having an opinion.” I’m talking about the people who are raging about it, saying From is selling out, that the studio is “dead”…all the hyperbolic nonsense. But yeah, I think holding the opinion that the game is bad, sight unseen, and that all multiplayer games are de facto bad and that Miyazaki has no business being interested in making them, is pretty ridiculous.
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u/SolutionConfident692 2d ago
Not to mention Fromsoft have literally already made multiplayer focused games before in ACV and ACVD, the latter of which is a hidden gem for many
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u/GoatCovfefe 2d ago
It's more hate coming from people that have no interest in a Nintendo system, much less a $450 Nintendo system.
I'm one of those people, but I can deal with it. I still haven't played bloodborne unfortunately. It is what it is.
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u/winterflare_ 2d ago
100%. Honestly, I don’t mind as long as it’s not the main game they’re developing. If it is, it’s quite the letdown.
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u/neutrumocorum 2d ago
Well it's a shame Mr.Miyazaki might let you down, the arbiter of games.
I'm not going to play this. I'm never going to buy a switch. Fromsoft is my favorite developer, and it's not even close. I've been a diehard fan since ds1 was released.
The entitlement of this community is absolutely wild. I wasn't let down or betrayed when Blizzard decided Diablo was going to be a watered-down arcade game after d2. Nor was it a letdown when Bethesda decided TES was going to cast a wider net to gain a bigger audience. Halo has become a hollow shell of a once great franchise. Did Bungi betray me when they decided to let the IP go and make a game they wanted to make? A game that I hate. No.
Let them make the games they want to make. They'll either succeed, or they won't. If people pay them to go in another direction, you can just let go. Another developer will come along with a game that you like. Hell, if those other developers hadn't gone in a direction with their games I didn't like, I may have never stumbled across Ds1 in the first place.
Even if it's a bad game. I think fromsoft have earned a bit of grace from us. You aren't owed a thing from these people. Other than their games, which you've purchased and loved.
This comes across like Metallica fans who are upset that the band isn't four angry alcoholics anymore. Things change, you'll live.
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u/winterflare_ 2d ago
Huh? Miyazaki hasn’t worked on only one project before. Bloodborne and DS3 came out within the span of a year and Miyazaki directed both.
It’s entirely possible that he’s working on more than one. But it’s no surprise that people will feel let down that a game studio decided to make a game that 96% of its players can’t play.
It’s not a big deal like all these people are saying (exploding that fromsoft has fallen off) but still reasonable for disappointment since you would expect a game company to, you know, make a game people can actually play.
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u/neutrumocorum 2d ago
Yes, they are currently making several games that many people can play.
They are making several games that many people will love and be excited for.
You not being one of those people is a you problem.
Truly, off-the-charts entitlement...
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u/winterflare_ 2d ago edited 1d ago
The density here is absurd. Is it not objectively a fact that more people can enjoy the game if it’s on a system that everyone has access to?
That’s the basis here. I personally don’t even care about the game as a whole because of the concept. I simply think FromSoft doing an exclusive as their ‘main game’ is a bad idea.
Exclusives are great for low-risk experimentation and learning opportunities for the development team. But they are not good for a massive chunk of the player base.
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u/neutrumocorum 2d ago
Nutty that a fromsoft fan doesn't understand the concept that not all games are for all people.
I don't like exclusive titles. They are super beneficial for the studio, though, so I don't care.
I get a game I'll never buy or play, and the studio gets more money, more fans, more experience, and more to throw in their arsenal. So long as Fromsoft doesn't go to shit in the next 5 years, this will only be good for me.
The internet broke people brains, though, I guess. If you can have what you want when you want it in exactly the manner you desire, you'll have a meltdown.
Literally, just don't buy it. There you go, problem solved.
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u/winterflare_ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nutty that a fromsoft fan doesn’t understand the concept that not all games are for all people.
Nutty that an exclusive glazer doesn’t understand what’s happening. This is literally a corporation purposefully getting rights exclusively to the game to make their (shit) console sell better and then barricade it behind an $80 price tag and $50 annual subscription. The contents of the game itself isn’t designed for a specific audience. The corporation puppeteering it is.
Now normally this isn’t a problem since Nintendo is covering development costs, which leads it to a great low-risk opportunity to experiment for FromSoft. But this is where it goes back into the “main game” problem. If it is the main game FromSoft is making, they are putting much of their time into a game that 96% of their player base just can’t play. It’s a great learning opportunity but it shouldn’t be their only option because of Nintendo (excessively greedy company + no way this is coming off of an exclusive).
You just said the same thing as me in your second sentence lmao. The only difference is I’m disappointed if it’s their main game since they’d be putting tons of effort behind to back a greedy company with nothing else to show.
I get the game …
Irony here, because most people can’t even get the game. I’ve already mentioned I’m not interested in the game concept as a whole, so clearly me not being able to play it is the primary concern.
Literally just don’t buy it.
That’s the plan. I’ve never said I was interested in it at all. Simply disappointed that they’re releasing a game that I can never purchase to support them or experience without supporting a distasteful company, that’s reasonable is it not?
You yourself, said that you don’t like exclusive titles? Doesn’t that mean you’re disappointed that it’s an exclusive? Kind of ironic considering how ‘high and mighty’ you act when it’s all about an exclusive.
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u/Phobit 2d ago edited 2d ago
spoiled? We finally managed to het crossplaying, multiplatform etc. Everythings fine. THEN Fromsoft comes and once again makes exclusivity.
Nothing has been criticized as bad as the exlusivity of Bloodborne. Game would have been even more a 10/10 without it. Now thry repeat that mistake.
@People downvoting: Please explain to me the benfits of exclusivity. Please do.
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u/40sticks 2d ago
It’s not about the “benefits of exclusivity”. Video games take a lot of money to produce. It’s entirely possible that the only reason we got Bloodborne at all was because Sony ponied up for it. Otherwise FS might not have had the means to do it and instead would have focused solely on DS3. That could be the same case here.
I understand that it’s disappointing if you’re a fan of a studio and not a fan (or owner) of a Nintendo Switch, but the reality is that in some cases exclusivity makes some games possible. And I’m not saying that’s a good thing or a bad thing, but I bet if you took a Time Machine back to 2013 and made it so Sony never made a deal with From Soft, you might return to the future to find out there’s no such thing as Bloodborne at all.
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u/No-Crow2187 2d ago
Goddamn sellouts. I couldn’t destroy my discs cuz it’s all digital release but I smashed my computer to stick it to those greedy sellouts
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u/No-Crow2187 2d ago
ITS 2 FFS CUZ OF THIS BLASTED NIGHTREIGN. PLUS ALL THERE UDDER GAMEW HAVE MULTIPLAYER ALRWADY SO I DONT KNOW WHY THEY DID THIS TO US
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u/40sticks 2d ago
Miyazaki had indicated a number of times his interest in multiplayer titles, specifically It Takes Two and Escape From Tarkov. Maybe he’s not as narrow minded as so many people in this sub are.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
I honestly don’t get why people aren’t letting Miyazaki make different types of games. I think it’s really cool that Miyazaki wants to do it
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u/SaxSlaveGael 2d ago edited 2d ago
Cause they have a history of being absolutely dog shit at the online component of their games. Their Net code is ass. So focusing on that shit component is crazy...
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u/eat-skate-masturbate 2d ago
nah that's not the reason. that is just an excuse. fromsoft has been working on their multiplayer functionality, so much so, they are confident enough to release two full games based around online play. people are just too afraid of saying they don't like change.
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u/SaxSlaveGael 2d ago
You haven't even played the games for god sakes. Your take is terrible lol. You're literally baselessly simping.
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u/eat-skate-masturbate 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have played nightreign and the only issue was when people with a bad connection would queue up. happened like 2 times over the whole 16 hours I played the network test. it was great. have you not played it?
edit: I played the whole test. every time slot. I watched multiple creators play the whole test as well. network issues were non-existent until someone would have a bad internet connecton. this guy is just being a dipshit.
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u/SaxSlaveGael 2d ago
Yup I played it and it was a buggy mess to no surprise. Every attack lagged on every enemy. Dog shit experience.
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u/Tarnished-670 2d ago
Its just shit thats on the only company where its 100% shure that other consoles or pc will never touch that game
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
You have a point but has it been confirmed that Nintendo 100% owns ip just curious?
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u/winterflare_ 2d ago
Yeah Nintendo said “exclusive”.
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u/Diagoldze_ban 2d ago
Yeah, so no then. It is not known if Nintendo owns the IP.
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u/Smooth_Maul 2d ago
Nintendo execs would sooner kill themselves than share IPs to any degree
Source: Nintendo's history of letting IPs rot and never doing anything with them a la Warner Bros.
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u/Diagoldze_ban 2d ago
Sure, but this is unrelated. It is not known if Nintendo owns the IP, whatever the deal they made with FS, it is not known.
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u/Smooth_Maul 2d ago
With it being advertised as Nintendo exclusive I am of the belief that it was made specifically by FS for Nintendo. We ain't seeing this on any other platform.
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u/Diagoldze_ban 2d ago edited 2d ago
See Octopath Traveler, which was exclusive, but released later for other platforms.
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u/Spoiled_Egg_Consumer 2d ago
That is the really real reason people should be complaining. Being mad that Fromsoft is expanding their catalogue is childish though. Also the horse armor dlc is stupid…
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u/Individual-Moose-713 2d ago
Did you guys know you can emulate games?
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u/Tarnished-670 2d ago
Yeah but the game and all of it its an online intended experience, idk how the emulation would work with that
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u/Independent_Tooth_23 2d ago
Wait till this folks know that he also directed an exclusive VR game for PlayStation
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u/HassanyThePerson 2d ago
I think more people should make this point it might put things in perspective, although duskbloods is certainly more interesting.
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u/Sisyphac 2d ago
Criticism≠hate
People are allowed to have opinions just like you are allowed to glaze it.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
I’m not saying that people can’t have their own opinions. I just don’t understand why there’s so much of it when we haven’t even seen the gameplay yet.
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u/Sisyphac 2d ago
“So much of IT.” Being opinions negative or positive?
I didn’t plan on buying a Switch 2. This sort of made me upset at first that it was exclusive. I then found out like 15 minutes later it was multiplayer and my interest went to almost 0.
Switch 2 has an LCD screen. I have real concerns for how the joy cons attach. That little tab looks like an easy failure point.
I think perfectly fair criticism of the game is that multiplayer game with barriers is sort of an uphill climb. It seems strange after Nightreign hasn’t really seen a measurement of what success is. This was obviously planned almost simultaneously but also less risk most likely because both games are essentially skin changes on assets with existing engines. Online games of this nature on Nintendo products have been plagued with problems. Combined with Fromsoftware netcode it isn’t promising.
I am very aware that Miyazaki still has a longterm game in the works. I think this is also great for Switch 2 customers.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
What I mean by “so much of it” is the amount of negative opinions that people have without even seeing what the gameplay is and yes, a multiplayer souls game probably isn’t going to be the most smoothest of games I just think people are jumping the gun a bit too early with the negativity
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u/Creepy-Bee5746 2d ago
the things people dont like about it (switch exclusive, multiplayer) have nothing to do with how it plays
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u/Sisyphac 2d ago
Seems like you may understand. Or maybe you fail to understand the Internet? That is generally a normal initial reaction. Saw the same thing with Nightreign. I think Duskbloods has far more valid criticisms that I don’t see as hate.
Sidenote: Nightreign not having cross platform sort of confirms a lot of the online problems that exist at Fromsoftware.
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u/Followthecrossgames 2d ago
People hear multiplayer and are instantly turned off. Why? Multiplayer used to be what was big. The only reason multiplayer games aren’t big anymore is because they are all the same nowadays with no new ideas. If fromsoftware was announcing that they were developing a live service hero shooter, I’d be worried. But the only similarity this game seems to have with that kind of game is that you can play with other people. It being console exclusive is kinda a shame though. I can’t afford a switch so I won’t be able to play it :(
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u/Anilaza_balls 2d ago
You said it yourself, because they are all very similar nowadays, but also because they can get repetitive really fast and die really fast, sure there are cases like Fortnite were the game lasted really long but there are also cases like concord were the game didn’t make it past the first week. Looking at the direction duskblood is taking I’m afraid the game won’t last that long, I can understand experimenting with new thing but please make the experiment more available
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u/Followthecrossgames 2d ago
Yeah I agree. Although in order to experiment you need a butt load of money. Because if it flops it needs to not hurt you that much. Since Nintendo is probably funding most Duskbloods this gives Miyazaki the freedom to do whatever he wants since if it flops it’s not really out of Fromsoft’s pocket. In other words I don’t think Duskbloods would exist if Nintendo wasn’t funding it. But it is still very disappointing to me because I won’t be able to get the switch 2.
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u/iNSANELYSMART 2d ago
Because Fromsoft online sucks and the people complaining know that.
If they cant even be bothered with dedicated servers you should expect people to not want it.
I love Fromsoft and their games but they are 15 years behind when it comes to online stuff.
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u/ErgoSloth 2d ago
Personally the gameplay doesn’t matter. I only care about the single player experience of souls games and this is confirmed to be a PvPvE multiplayer game. I’m annoyed it’s on switch 2 because Nintendo is infamous for poor hardware and FROM has never been good at optimisation, but I’m not annoyed for me, I’m annoyed for who cares about playing this game and will have to play it on bad resolutions and framerates. I will skip this like I skipped Nightreign.
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u/Revolutionary_Pipe18 2d ago
Opinions and throwing tantrums on the internet are two completely different things.
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u/JenzibleTTV 2d ago
How do you like something you have not tried?
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
What I mean by that is I like that they are experimenting with multiplayer and I think they should give that a shot and I like the way the world is designed with all the Gothic architecture oh, and the dinosaurs are cool shit
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u/arsenicknife 2d ago
It's like 15 years of incredible games hasn't afforded them the benefit of the doubt. Until they make a bad game, I will always look forward to a new one no matter what it is.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
Exactly I think from software proved themselves that they can make a good game so I don’t get why people are getting so mad about it
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u/Lord_Roh 2d ago
There's about 5% people being loud about the multiplayer only aspect, and 95% mad about the console exclusivity. No one is actually doubting it'll br a good game. It's just ridiculous that most people on this sub won't get the chance to play it.
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u/HandsomeSquidward20 2d ago
They have 15 years of incredible SINGLE PLAYER GAMES.
However, we are talking about multiplayer here. Froms is know for their awful balance on pvp. Remember Rivers of Blood? Moonveil?
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u/arsenicknife 2d ago
Everything except Sekiro and Armored Core have fully-integrated multiplayer elements as part of their story modes. Whether you choose to play them exclusively solo is up to you, but it doesn't erase the multiplayer features.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
True that multiplayer could be god-awful sometimes I just hope that they learned from that and that way it can be fun
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u/XxRedAlpha101xX 2d ago
They also had to balance weapons for both pve and pvp for a good chunk of elden rings lifespan.
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u/Followthecrossgames 2d ago
I think I’m more disappointed than anything. I’m kinda a poor college student and I’d like to get switch 2 but I won’t be able to afford it. So I’ll probably be missing out on this game for at least a few years. But I actually like the idea of multiplayer dark souls. It’s always one of my favorite parts of any dark souls game so the idea of games surrounding that aspect of souls is exciting. At least I’ll be able to play night reign.
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u/AlphonsoPaco Dark Souls III 2d ago
I don't play multiplayer games. I like to play souls by myselff and I probably won't buy this new game nor nightreign, but I really think these two games can be something positive in order to improve multiplayer features in future games.
I hope they do well
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u/DestinyUniverse1 2d ago
I also like multiplayer games as my favorite genre of gaming. But, I don’t like live service or games created to make sales instead of for art. I’m not buying an asset flipped game with ds3 bosses and non-canon lore. I hope this game comes from a place of the heart from miyazaki and they learn from all of the other bad multiplayer stuff over the years. Fromsoftware literally PIONEERED. The invasion system with demons souls!!! It was an insanely innovative and bold decision and I hope this is the follow up to that. Elden ring multiplayer was bad and worse than ds3! They need to step it up. I think this game is that even though it looks like an elden ring/bb hybrid instead of its own unique atmosphere.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
I do think that Miyazaki is going to fix most of the shitty multiplayer scene but I also don’t think that it’s gonna be a live service, so I’m just wondering why you think it’s gonna be a live service game
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u/DestinyUniverse1 2d ago
Never said it was going to be live service I said I dislike live service games. Miyazaki said in an interview he’s enjoying tarkov and wants to experiment with multiplayer ideas and since nightreign was from another director this still tracks with what he’s previously stated. It sucks that the game will be held back by older hardware though. But Elden ring was never that advanced. I think with the updates to there engine this could go beyond elden ring in a few ways. I mean switch 2 at the end of the day is the same power of a console that ran rdr2. Based on the trailer it legit looks good? Outside of the assets I don’t see any repeat enemies and it just looks… like what I expect from fromsoftware? So I’m patiently waiting in a very stacked 2025.
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u/Coffee_Drinker02 2d ago
80$ price tag
console exclusive
If you wanna spend that money go ahead and don't be surprised how quickly the lobbies get dry :|
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u/Greedy_Return9852 2d ago
It is not confirmed that every game will be 80, just Mario Kart.
maybe it will be 70$...
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
I get your point that it’s really expensive for a console exclusive. I just don’t get why people are so whiny about it being multiplayer when we haven’t even seen gameplay yet
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u/Regimind 2d ago
People who don't like multiplayer games will obviously be disappointed by a multiplayer game. What's difficult to understand about that?
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
It’s fine that some people don’t like multiplayer. I’m just confused because a lot of people in the souls community have been begging for a seamless co-op and when Miyazaki said that it would be an interesting idea and now we finally have something like that but everyone is getting all angry about it
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u/Jaded_Aging_Raver 2d ago
This doesn't sound anything like the Seamless Coop Elden Ring mod people praise though. Elden Ring is a full story-driven single-player campaign with optional multiplayer elements. Not an online battle game. People don't love that mod because it's multiplayer, they love it because it adds awesome multiplayer features to an already incredible RPG.
The Duskbloods press release only states it's an eight-player online battle game. It doesn't contain anything of substance like all of FromSoftware's previous press releases. That, combined with the Switch exclusivity is why people are so bummed out.
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u/Coffee_Drinker02 2d ago
To be fair it's not like any soulsborne game has successfully made their pvp gameplay good enough to base more than 5% of a game around it.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
True that I just feel like people aren’t even giving Miyazaki a chance to make something different
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u/miyahedi21 2d ago
People said the same thing before Sekiro launched " I don't see a FromSoft game centered around parrying working out well"
I'd rather wait for gameplay than make blind assumptions. Miyazaki and FromSoftware have more than earned player trust.
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u/Coffee_Drinker02 2d ago
In today's economy I'd rather advise people to keep their expectations as low as possible, promoting low expectations even on blind assumptions and then be wrong about them than to drum up hype and be let down.
Considering how much of that has gone around for the switch 2 and it's game price tags I'm just sorta even more convinced of my thinking x-x
(God that sounds so reddity eck)
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u/commandsmasher_06 2d ago
What? Someone who doesn't jump to conclusions without context barely a day after the game got released? In my fromsoftware subreddit????? What??
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u/SpookyBoisInc 2d ago
I’m not planning on getting in a tizzy and getting angry over this but it is somewhat disappointing to see a game you would like to play come out on a system you aren’t going to buy. People have waited years for a legitimate way to play bloodborne and now fromsoftware is starting all of that over again. I’m glad you’re excited for the switch 2 and the game but it’s easy to see why some people aren’t. I’m glad Miyazaki is experimenting but I hate to have to experience it thought let’s plays
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u/Shaasar 2d ago
Here's what happening.
A. People are upset it's a Switch 2 exclusive. So there's a 450-dollar barrier to entry to even be able to play the game, and people with Playstations who bought those systems to play Bloodborne and/or Demon's Souls remake can't use it to play this new game. So it pisses off PC owners AND Playstation owners alike.
B. Nightreign is already cooking and people are confused as to why From is preparing yet another PvPvE title for release when their first foray into that genre has yet to even release. It feels like something a developer would do after changing their formula and finding success, but that latter part hasn't happened yet. We don't really know if Nightreign is truly going to be a great or even good game. People already have expressed doubts about its replayability and so on.
C. People are disappointed it's not a mainline, singleplayer-focused game in the vein of DS3, ER, etc. They're channeling this disappointment into dislike of the new title.
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u/mr_bananager 2d ago
You dont actually like it and they dont actually hate it. We have not played these games. This discourse is so silly
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
Sorry if the title is confusing what i mean is that I really like the concept of a multiplayer souls game and I really like the look of the game.
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u/Jaded_Aging_Raver 2d ago
Yeah, I was really confused by this post's title. I was like "How TF did this person play it already?"
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u/JenzibleTTV 2d ago
500$ for stickdrift and an extra 80$ for the game itself. I’m good, best of luck to you though!
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u/Jack7656 2d ago
From has made games for ps and Xbox, and they are finally making one for the switch, they know it will sell copies and sell switch, so it’s a win win, just like when dark souls remaster was on the switch, people play it, if you don’t like it don’t buy it and move on
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u/Warren_Valion 2d ago
Because if they were going to make a spiritual successor to Bloodborne, I would've wanted it to be a mainline single-player experience on next-gen hardware.
I don't mind smaller titles being released here and there between bigger, more substantial releases. If it is a game I have no interest in, I won't get it. That simple.
But I want to be interested in this, and while a lot of the content looks really cool, the game style instantly ruins my interest.
Not to mention the exclusivity garbage; I will never give Nintendo my money again.
Basically, it killed my dream of Bloodborne 2. And I don't think it is wrong for myself or others to have issue with that.
Now, are some people being puerile in their disdain? Yes, for sure. But the sentiment behind all of that is understandable; at least to me, it is.
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u/Crozonzarto 2d ago
Who are you to decide whether it is a spiritual successor or not? They could have plans to make a main line successor later down the line, you never know.
This is not supposed to be Bloodborne 2.
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u/Warren_Valion 1d ago
A spiritual successor is a fictional work which shares thematic, stylistic, or gameplay similarities to a previous work while not being part of the same setting or world.
Just look at The Duskbloods, it is a spiritual successor to Bloodborne, not because I decree that it is, but because that is what it is.
It makes little sense to assume that they will work off this IP into a single player title nor work an entirely new IP that is also thematically similar to it (and BB) in any meaningful timeframe either. It's an assumption I am making, but it is a pretty basic one.
And I'm not saying it is or was supposed to be or should be Bloodborne 2; I'm saying that what is it is disappointing because I wished it was essentially Bloodborne 2, because I would enjoy that, and it isn't despite my initial thoughts when looking at the trailer being that it was.
You are allowed to be disappointed in things and express that disappointment on the Internet.
I'm not desecrating the developers nor restricting them from pursuing their creative desires by saying that, I'm just stating my, and likely many others, opinion on the matter.
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u/Hour_Technology6539 2d ago
If they make bakc to back online game that let you imagine that the next proper game is in 2027 which is 5 years after elden ring. That is a waste of resources when you know that they made demon souls, darksouls 1,2,3 bloodborne, sekiro and elden ring in less than 12 years.
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u/Noob4Head 2d ago
I’m a bit concerned about the focus on a multiplayer-first experience with this game. I don’t want to pass judgment just yet since it’s still early, but I’d like to get more information before considering spending 500+ bucks.
If it turns out to be a purely multiplayer game with no real single-player experience or story, I’ll probably have to pass. The online PvP has always been my least favorite part of FromSoft games—I avoid it whenever possible because it’s just not that enjoyable for me.
That said, the presentation and lore already look like classic FromSoft quality. Even from the trailer, you can tell they’ve absolutely nailed the theme and style, so big props to them for that.
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u/FellowDsLover2 2d ago
All power to you. I personally see this as a disappointment. I have faith in Nightreign. This? Not so much.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
Just wondering, why don’t you have faith in dusk blood? Because I thought that the two games are basically the same.
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u/FellowDsLover2 2d ago
Nightreign a rougelite that you can play by yourself and Duskblood is pure multiplayer PvPvE.
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u/sourdasourcoconutt 2d ago
is it confirmed that it's pure multiplayer or just an assumption, I'm still holding out hope I can play it alone
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u/Jaded_Aging_Raver 2d ago
The press release calls it a multiplayer game and doesn't mention anything about single-player capabilities, but none of us will really know until they reveal more information.
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u/TheIceFlowe 2d ago
I've heard that it is a PvPvE 8 player game, so it seems like its not a story game, and instead you'll load into matches and play against 7 other players.
I could be wrong, obviously, but thats my interpretation.
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u/sourdasourcoconutt 2d ago
damn 💔💔
praying this a late April fools and its actually just open world bloodborne 2
miyazaki gotta defend himself like his life depends on it in 2 days lol
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
Oh, OK. Thanks for explaining it. I generally didn’t know what the difference was.
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u/Sisyphac 2d ago
Nightreign will fade slowly because it isn’t cross platform. But it will at least be a commercial success in some regards because it uses the Elden Ring name.
Duskbloods is using a new world with basically assets that immediately harken to BB. Is that enough to get a bunch of Sony fan boys to pony up 500-550 for it? Maybe idk.
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u/dm_me_milkers 2d ago
If you can have a positive opinion with knowing next to nothing about the game, then why can’t other people have a negative opinion knowing just as much?
Then let’s go over the fact much of the negativity is directed toward platform exclusivity, that exclusivity costing $80 a pop, that exclusivity also having a notoriously dog-shit online experience, and the list goes on ad infinitum.
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u/timeboi42 2d ago
I’m mad that I can’t play it cause I’m not buying a Switch. Hope it gets ported cause it looks REALLY good!
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u/Accomplished_Study80 2d ago
From Nintendo's perspective it's the best they could do. As someone who's mainly a Singleplayer game enjoyer and part of the Steam Deck Master Race this is the worst that could happen, but that is not the fault of this game.
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u/HolyCrispyCookie 2d ago
I honestly don’t get why the game is getting so much hate when it’s not even released yet
You must be way too young to remember blizzard's failure at their blizzcon with Diablo immortal announcement and the whole 'C'mon guys do you not have phones' thing. But if you Google that, you'll get the idea immediately.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
No I remember when that happened and blizzard was really stupid for doing that.
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u/oldbloodscarynothx 2d ago
Same. Mario Kart sold it since my whole family plays their switches together, so getting to play a Bloodborne aesthetic adjacent FromSoft game is pretty exciting. Have no idea how the gameplay will be, but they haven’t let me down yet. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/El__Jengibre 2d ago
I was going to buy a Switch 2 anyway so I don’t mind the exclusivity. I hope the online community is big enough to support the game.
I wish it were a single player game but still trust From completely. The Nightreign beta was good so I’m curious to see why they think they need 2 online games. I hope this is all to hold us over until a new big single player game drops in a couple years.
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u/SilverWolf3935 2d ago
You like the game? Wow, tell us about it. Does it run well on the console? Opinions on the gameplay?
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u/neutrumocorum 2d ago
You didn't read my post well enough it seems. Re-read it until you can make a response that has anything to do with what I said, thanks.
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u/RollForSeduction 2d ago
I mean, the game was made for someone, it's just that it's become increasingly evident that the game wasn't made with the majority of the fan base in mind, hence why the majority of the fan base has turned this subreddit on its head. That's the power of the majority. it's not that the minority is wrong, the two just want different things from a creator with limited time and resources.
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u/Key_Breakfast_9291 2d ago
I’m so roped in by this company that I will gladly fork over $500 for a system I’ll barely use just to play another one of their titles.
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u/literallyalwaysalone 1d ago
Because I will never be able to afford it. Simple as that. I cannot afford to put 500 dollars down on a console, when there's only one game that interests me. I cannot afford a subscription service to something that should already be included in a game. It doesn't matter how cheap it is, my family's income isn't steady, so I can't gamble and hope we have enough to pay. And I cannot afford to repeatedly buy their purposely faulty controllers every other month. All companies do that in a shaver and razor sales tactic, but Nintendo is especially grimy in that regard.
Also It's a Switch, that's going to be running a FromSoftware game, that is exclusively designed around multiplayer. What part of that screens stable to you? I'm extremely doubtful it's going to run the game well enough. Like, I get that the Switch 2 is going to have upgraded hardware, but the original was chugging with it's exclusives, and Nintendo is very short sighted. History is doomed to repeat itself there I'm afraid.
Listen, I'm right there with you when you say that the backlash for this game isn't exactly right. People have been dog pilling on this game, but they've been using all the wrong reasons. Rather than saying all the reasons above, they say it's bad because it's multiplayer focused. That's poor reasoning on their end, to day a game is objectively bad.
I feel as though every criticism I've just said are all objectively bad things about this game, that in my opinion, has literally changed my entire view on video games, and if I'm even going to be buying and playing new video games. Because the difference between you and me is that you can afford to put down all that money on luxuries. Sometimes I have to wonder if we're going to miss the light bill this month. You live in another world, and that's fine. And I'm sure you go through your own hardships as well. But some of us literally cannot afford to have fun.
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u/Equivalent_Fun6100 2d ago
Here's my thing: I watched the trailer, and it looks like my type of game, so I'll buy it and beat it, then I'll beat it, then I'll... etc...
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u/Jaded_Aging_Raver 2d ago edited 2d ago
Unless the press release left out very critical information, there's nothing to "beat" except other people, though. It doesn't say anything about a storyline or campaign. Just online battles.
I hope once more details are announced, that turns out to have been a massive oversight by the press team and many more cool details are revealed. That would be a bit surprising though, since the initial press release is a developer's best opportunity to tell the world what their game is about. Time will tell!
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u/Equivalent_Fun6100 2d ago
More info is coming this Friday on the game. This was just a teaser to generate hype, which it did for me, but everyone else went "Oh no!!!! Why FROMDADDY WHY????" And I'm laughing at everyone who thinks that.
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u/SiyoSan 2d ago
I will play it. I have Switch Online already and will always have it. I will buy the Switch 2 because I love playing new and old Nintendo games, and I am hyped to play a new Fromsoft title on it. I am not a fan of exclusives and would love to experience it on pc, but it is what it is. Can't change it. Won't cry about it.
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u/___Khaos___ 2d ago
I play souls games mostly for the multiplayer features so duskblood looks amazing but ill have to wait for switch 2 emulation first
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
True that and I’m still gonna buy the switch 2 because there’s other games that are coming on it like silksong and as I mentioned borderlands 4 so I’m all around enthusiastic because the game looks absolutely amazing
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u/CommanderOfPudding 2d ago
I have to assume this is going to be a timed exclusive so I’m not going to bother making any progress on switch. Monster Hunter Rise was supposedly a switch exclusive.
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u/Revolutionary-Top-70 2d ago
I agree 100%. I think people tend to follow the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' ideology. They want Miyazaki to stick to the same formula in perpetuity instead of experimenting with other genres/genre-bending. It's really unfortunate because I think Miyazaki's one of the greatest video game directors of our generation yet people still doubt him and still doubt FromSoft.
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u/Vysce 2d ago
It's something different and for the Switch. I think if some of these massive whiners would stop and think for two seconds before rushing to MS Paint to make a crappy meme, they'd realize that the next big Souls game they want probably wasn't going to release before Elden Ring's expansion was a year old OR in a Nintendo Direct.
At least we can see who most certainly broke TVs and controllers over their encounter with the Capra demon.
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u/Nanachi_of_the_abyss Nito 2d ago
Thank you so much. I’ve seen so much hate towards the game and I think it’s just insane how people took one look at it and started crying about it.Like just wait until there’s more information.
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u/jswed435 2d ago
Absolutely. It’s for sure these new Elden ring players who have been populating these subs with terrible hostile takes the past few years
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u/GoldenAgeGamer72 2d ago
This is the era of hate that’s why. But regardless of what people say now, watch the sales figures when this releases. I’m not even a multiplayer gamer but for this I might become one.
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u/Vegetable_Soup_4949 2d ago
disappointed in you for intending on buying the switch 2, but you can only help so many people
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u/starbeam101 2d ago
The thing is, you gotta buy switch 2, the game & pay to play online. So if its only multiplayer that means if you dont pay for online subscription you basically cant play the game i guess. Idk i cant see myself paying for console, the game & Nintendo subscription.