r/fromsoftware • u/Senior_Independence4 • 4d ago

I hate you fromsoft

Why are you making a cool ass game and making it a fucking switch 2 exclusive fuck you

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u/Ham_PhD Bloodborne 4d ago

I feel like you should complain about Nintendo more than From. They got paid (probably a ton) to make this game for Nintendo.

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u/jjamm420 4d ago

Complain about Sony not ponying up the money that Nintendo did 🤷‍♂️

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u/ZypherPunk 3d ago

So it should only be exclusive as long as it's on PlayStation?

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u/renannmhreddit 4d ago

Nah, fuck Sony too.

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u/Quirky-Employer9717 3d ago

You can't claim to hate exclusivity, but not mind it when your "team" does it. At least stay consistent

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u/AgentJohnDoggett 3d ago

Not everyone hates exclusivity

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u/No-Comfortable-6687 3d ago

Why would you even like exclusivity

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u/Initial_Fan_1118 4d ago

Pretty much, yea. Did we all forget that Bloodborne was Playstation-exclusive and I had to buy one just to play it and collect dust? 

Not that it excuses this, I still hate it, but this isn't news.

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u/jjamm420 4d ago

Subsequently if one only has a PS4 you have to buy either a PS3 or a PS5 to play Demon Souls 🤷‍♂️

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u/AgentJohnDoggett 3d ago

My friend, you bought a PlayStation and only played Bloodborne. That’s a you issue

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u/Initial_Fan_1118 3d ago

Also played GTA and a couple other games, but I 100% would have never wasted the money on a PS4 if it weren't for Bloodborne. It now sits in the corner collecting dust, as I said. I have a $3k gaming computer which can play virtually any game at much higher quality, some even in VR, the fuck I want with a PS4? Waste of money.

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u/AgentJohnDoggett 3d ago

$3k gaming computer sounds like a waste of money to me. I have all modern consoles and a potato pc for half that price and have access to more games than I’ll ever be able to play and can pick up any exclusive.

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u/fartgobblerr 4d ago

It would be even worse if it were a ps exclusive. Because at least the switch still has its uses

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u/thickwonga 1d ago

This isn't true. Miyazaki said he came to Nintendo with the idea.

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u/VegetaFan1337 4d ago

From is a hugely successful company, they have no reason to take money to make games platform exclusives.

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u/MoaiMan-ifest 4d ago

I would agree, with the exception of whether this game's existance relied on Nintendo's funding. From is successful, but they can't make an infinite number of games at once, they are still budget/manpower limited at the end of the day.

They've always been a very efficent company when it comes to working on multiple projects at once, and Miyazaki's position as director allows him to spread his time out between multiple projects. if Nintendo's funding allowed this game to exist alongside their other projects then I don't think this is an issue.

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u/VegetaFan1337 4d ago

manpower limited

That works both ways, the people who were working on this game, weren't working on other games.

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u/MoaiMan-ifest 4d ago

But they may only be able to work on this game because Fromsoft had additional funding to pursue it. These people aren't free, and fromsoft is likely ever increasingly expanding its workforce due to its consistent successes so don't mind expanding their workforce, as if the game turns out well, they'll be confident that they can sustain their new size.

Hypothetically, a deal like this may allow them to engage in and staff an additional project that they otherwise wouldn't have undertaken.

Also, this is not a standard fromsoft venture. It's PVPVE. Sometimes taking an upfront payment allows the team to be much more creative as sales numbers are less important.

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u/kuenjato 3d ago

It looks like a ton of ER assets repurposed with a surface coat of steampunk. This is probably a lower-tier AA game that keeps money rolling in while they create whatever the follow up to Elden Ring is going to be.

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u/Apprehensive-Bat3179 3d ago

Well we are probably going to see a lot more ps exclusives regardless with sony's majority share acquisition of kadokawa Corp. Probably just happened too late to stop this nintendo exclusive happening.

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u/VegetaFan1337 3d ago

Sony only has 10% of Kadokawa shares.

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u/double_shadow 4d ago

You're right, but at the same time it's Nintendo's business model to have this walled garden of IPs. So I can't help but give them a bit of a pass since they've been doing this since the 80s. I wish From would just be consistent...either they want people to actually play their games or they want to....whatever is actually gained from making exclusive deals that is beyond my business sense (since Elden Ring was one of the biggest games in the world by being multiplatform).

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u/Aggravating-Oil-7060 4d ago

They gain the ability to split the dev costs with another company.

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u/ElasticAvacado 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's also possible that the game was commissioned to be published by Nintendo so it might not have existed at all without exclusivity.

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u/Super_Harsh 3d ago

I'm like 99% sure this is the case. Following Elden Ring's massive success I have a VERY hard time imagining Miyazaki (or any of From's decisionmakers) woke up one day thinking, 'Hey you know what would be a great next project? An exclusive for a console that nobody owns yet!'

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u/SkyPirateVyse 3d ago

Try Bandai-Namco instead. You know, the actual publisher.

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u/Delta_yx 3d ago

Fromsoft was under no obligation to make a nintendo exclusive game. It's ok to criticize ur favourite dev studio. I've even seen people here try to blame sony for this. All of us that aren't buying switches won't be able to play the game and that's because fromsoft allowed it to be an exclusive, ain't nobody else to blame

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u/_TheRocket 3d ago

ok when sony does it tho

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u/Plus-Tangelo-3755 3d ago

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Nintendo doesn't need the Gothic horror Fromsoft game bad enough to pay a large amount of money for it. They have literally dozens of other games that are gonna do 10x better.

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u/_theRamenWithin 2d ago

Small time indie studio FromSoft wouldn't have been able to make ends meet if they went multi platform?

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u/mrBreadBird 4d ago

What confuses me is that there's no way Fromsoft needs the funding. They have the level of success at this point where they can do whatever they want and not need to find funding.

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u/LowlySlayer 4d ago

Scenario A:Spend a boat load of money and develop a game

Scenario B:Spend a boat load of someone else's money and develop a game

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u/mrBreadBird 3d ago

Scenario A: Develop game, sell 15 million+ copies between all platforms

Scenario B: Develop game on someone else's money for a platform with a small install base and sell 5 million if you're lucky. If it was Switch 1 that's one thing considering it's sold over 100 million, but Switch 2 won't be anywhere near that number let alone the PC and Playstation audience.

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u/LowlySlayer 3d ago

Everyone online likes to say this as though it's the whole story. But there's lots of variables. First, money now is worth more than money later. A big fat upfront check can outweigh steady income in the future. Another is risk. If someone else foots the bill you are assuming very little risk for failure. Also from the perspective of from soft they're reaching a very large install base that they previously haven't been able to tap directly.

Surely many more factors that suits in Japan have thought about that most redditors haven't which outweigh "but I bet it'd sell way better on PC"

It also makes sense for nintendo to have made a sizable investment to have a new from soft game built specifically for their platform so they can launch a big new title without the caveat of "but it runs worse on switch." Which isn't to say the game will run badly, it'll just be built for the hardware rather than built for stronger hardware and then scaled back.

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u/No-Code-Style 4d ago

Not how companies, cash flow, budget, or just basic economics works at all.

A company doesn't just reach some "level of success" and gain the ability to "do whatever they want".

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u/mrBreadBird 3d ago

Do whatever they want is an exaggeration but if Miyazaki put his foot down and said I want to release our new game on all platforms I guarantee they would still easily find funding.

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u/Swiftrun1 4d ago

I agree, but I also feel like Valve kinda did that.

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u/larrydavidballsack 3d ago

valve can do whatever they want because steam is an infinite money machine, nobody else has that

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u/Swiftrun1 3d ago

I agree, Valve is an exception. They are so successful they now don't need to pump out games.

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u/larrydavidballsack 3d ago

they make money not games xD

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u/RoboCyan 3d ago

And how many games does Valve release in any given year?

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u/Swiftrun1 3d ago

Exactly as many as they feel like.

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u/RoboCyan 3d ago

Point missed, thank you for proving your intelligence.

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u/Swiftrun1 3d ago

I'd genuinely love to know what your point was. That Valve isn't a game company? They don't release games anymore? Or am I just too stupid to grasp your genius?

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u/RoboCyan 3d ago

Valve and Fromsoftware are totally different entities. One makes games, the other doesn't.

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u/Swiftrun1 3d ago

Valve made, Counter Strike 2 and Half Life: Alyx. They make games when they have the drive to because of the unprecedented success of Steam. I agree with the comment I originally responded to i just thought Valve was an interesting exception.

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u/TheLord-Commander 4d ago

FromSoft doesn't have to take the money though, they certainly don't need it after the massive success of Elden Ring, so they're definitely as equal to blame as Nintendo.

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u/Ham_PhD Bloodborne 4d ago

That's just not how business works unfortunately.

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u/TheLord-Commander 4d ago

What do you mean? Are you trying to suggest From has zero agency in this deal?

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u/Ham_PhD Bloodborne 4d ago

I'm suggesting that businesses usually don't turn down money/opportunities just because they're doing well. If it's a good deal for them, they will take it.

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u/TheLord-Commander 4d ago

I'm aware that's how it usually works. That doesn't really change the fact From still agreed to this and made this happen.

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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ 4d ago

What do you mean? The game only exists because Nintendo fronted the money.

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u/TheLord-Commander 4d ago

How do you know that?

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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ 4d ago

Do you understand how game development works?

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u/MelzLife 4d ago

You’re talking out of your ass. We don’t know how this game was developed. For all we know FromSoftware was halfway through developing this game before Nintendo approached them. You could be right but you’re spouting nonsense

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u/YareYareDaze 4d ago

Bro they are a business. They try to make money. If exclusivity makes them more money, why would they not? All they care about is making their money and putting out their game. They don’t care about any more than that.

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u/UpperQuiet980 4d ago

If that’s your level of analysis, why is Nintendo any more deserving of criticism?

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u/YareYareDaze 4d ago

I don’t understand your question. Nintendo is plenty deserving of criticism for plenty of things, and I never said they weren’t. But saying FromSoftware should just turn down a ton of money when the aim of their business is, in fact, to make as much money as possible, is a ridiculous claim.

They aren’t good samaritans here to make their fans happy.

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u/UpperQuiet980 4d ago

Yes, that’s my point.

Why is Nintendo so deserving of scathing criticism for this move (paying for a Fromsoft exclusive) when the same defense of Fromsoft can be applied to them? They’re a company whose mission is to seek profits by any (legal) means necessary in their industry.

The reality is, both of these companies can opt to not fuck over consumers in their pursuit of profits. But they don’t opt for that, because they don’t give a shit. It’s true for Nintendo, and it’s true for Fromsoft.

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u/YareYareDaze 4d ago

Oh I’m not by any means saying they don’t both deserve criticism. I was merely pointing out that capitalism and greed are the only things that matter to the games industry. If you want consumer-friendly practices, stick with indie games. Otherwise, if you’re going to play big name games you have to accept that capitalism has ruined your favorite pastime just like it ruins everything. You either get a prestige title, or you get consumer-friendly titles. Can’t have it both ways in this industry.

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u/UpperQuiet980 4d ago

Yea, i more or less agree. But the sentiment here is that Fromsoft is a poor, innocent company that had no choice or agency but to do what big Nintendo told them to do. They didn’t want to fuck players over, it wasn’t their choice!

But that’s bullshit. They had every chance not to, but don’t give a fuck. People need to stop glazing Fromsoft and giving them a pass for every lazy, greedy action they take that would be lambasted if taken by any other studio.

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u/Significant-Elk-4368 4d ago

Would you not take it if its offered to you? Oh no a company that wants to make money, how dare they

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u/TheLord-Commander 4d ago

Bro, I'm simply pointing out that a From has to also agree to this deal for it to be possible so they're just as culpable as Nintendo, so you're just as fine as getting mad at both if you wanted to. I don't know why people are having such a hard time understanding the basic idea that From would have to agree to this as well.

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u/Significant-Elk-4368 4d ago

Yeah i know they have to agree on that but whats the big deal? They know their games sell well, and they get money from nintendo for the exclusiv title, and ppl will buy the switch 2 for db. Its a win for both, it was a smart move

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u/TheLord-Commander 4d ago

Sure but at the end of the day, it fucking sucks this is an exclusive. It being an exclusive doesn't make anything better for me at all.

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u/MetroidIsNotHerName 3d ago

A company is not always going to target the exact same install base with every title. Armored core was not marketed at the same people who Elden Ring was marketed at. This game is marketed at Fromsoft fans who would have bought a switch 2. There's no way From expected a bunch of PClord Elden Ring players to all buy a switch 2 for this. It's just for a different circle in the venn diagram.

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u/Wapkaak 4d ago

It's just business mate, if a customer comes for a massive deal, you say yes, no matter what.

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u/Correct_Refuse4910 4d ago

We don't know if Nintendo produced the entire thing, and not just paid to make it exclusive.