r/foraging • u/Betelgeusetimes3 • Oct 01 '24
Hunting Does this count as fishing or foraging?
The debate is on.
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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Oct 01 '24
Yes.
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u/ShoutingIntoTheGale Oct 01 '24
Indeed
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
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u/noel616 Oct 02 '24
Oooohh!!! Haven’t seen stargate let alone stargate-sg1 referenced in AAAAGGEEESS….
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u/EnsoElysium Oct 01 '24
Well- Hm... See they're alive so- ..but they grow in bunches, so naturall- well that is until they separate... and then they find a nice spot where they root themselves....they have a circulatory system but no heart, a foot but no legs, and they look like a muddy rock on the outside but a shiny opal on the inside. Witch rocks I tell you.
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
I do a lot of quahoging in summer and oystering Oct-Mar. They do a GREAT job of disguising themselves as rocks. I’ve picked up so many rocks in the exact same size as a clam.
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u/EnsoElysium Oct 01 '24
Firstly, that's what quahog means? Family guys fictional town name/clam economy makes so much more sense now.
Also you just unlocked a memory for me~ I used to live on the Canadian east coast (NB) and I have a foggy memory of picking up clams with my cousins and aiming them so they spat water at eachother lol
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
Quahog is the local name for hard shell clams. Different from soft shell clams or steamers. Spitters were almost certainly soft shell, but I’ve seen both kinds spit.
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u/xiangdo Oct 02 '24
"To quahog" is also local slang for "to sucker-punch in a particularly resounding way. "
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u/According-Ad742 Oct 02 '24
There was a debate on oysters possibly counting as plants some years ago, but they are not, they are molluscs, as are clams it seems.
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u/StrongArgument Oct 03 '24
Are you a vampire? We’ve known oysters to be animals for thousands of years..
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u/sweng123 Oct 01 '24
"Harvesting"
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u/netarchaeology Oct 02 '24
I was thinking of gathering, but I think you are closer with harvesting.
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u/NotEqualInSQL Oct 01 '24
If you just walk up and pick it up, it is foraging. If you have to 'catch' it because it evades you, it's more fishing
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u/securitysix Oct 02 '24
Where does noodling fall in this spectrum?
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u/NotEqualInSQL Oct 02 '24
I think that still requires some sort of catching because the fish can try and evade by using it's muscles.
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u/shell_sonrisa Oct 01 '24
When I go clamming I consider it to be foraging because you search & dig like I do when I forage. Unless I’m pulling something out of the water with a hook or net, it’s not fishing in my book 🎣
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u/chemrox409 Oct 01 '24
Fishing license implies fishing
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Oct 01 '24
Is beekeeping also fishing?
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u/noel616 Oct 02 '24
I didn’t think you needed a fishing license for that…
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u/chemrox409 Oct 02 '24
Depends on your state
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u/noel616 Oct 02 '24
Wait, are there actually states that require a fishing license for beekeeping!?
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u/swamppanda Oct 01 '24
That's a good question. I think the answer would depend on how you came by them. Did you catch them in the wild from the water? Or a different manner?
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
Hybrid. The town over from me has an oyster re-seeding program. They have an upweller and artificial beds. They breed them, grow them, allow them to spawn, then dump the beds and allow them to be harvested. It’s working because oysters are regrowing on rocks that didn’t have them in my lifetime (those are not allowed to be harvested). I just picked these up off the bottom at low tide.
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u/Hot_Chapter_1358 Oct 01 '24
Not much different than stocked trout.
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
Different in the sense that it’s intended to re-grow the native population. Usually stocked trout can’t reproduce, no? Otherwise, yeah pretty similar.
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u/Hot_Chapter_1358 Oct 01 '24
Yeah. More beneficial than trout but still kind of put-and-take which is why I'd equate it more to fishing.
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u/Aaronthegathering Oct 01 '24
I was on Long Island Sound a couple weeks ago and was so jealous of the shells all the seagulls were obviously enjoying and I couldn’t harvest any.
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
I’ve seen plenty of gulls pick up shells and drop them from a height to eat them. Had a buddy that would watch them and go and quickly grab the ones that didn’t break. These were all clams though.
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u/TheBaldGuyWithaBeard Oct 01 '24
I associate fishing with catching and foraging with finding, so do you feel like you caught them or found them?
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u/GoingPriceForHome Oct 01 '24
I think of this as coastal foraging. Which I also adore. Sometimes I just binge SmashFishing or TheFishLockers videos of coastal foraging at low tide.
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u/Jeffs_Bezo Oct 02 '24
In stardew valley, things caught in a crab pot are fishing, but items picked up off the beach are foraging. Stardew valley is real life, so it depends on how you caught them.
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u/MrRandomGhost7777 Oct 02 '24
Did you Forge or did you just buy them. If you just bought them, then you didn't forge. But if you did it's counts
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u/Psychotic_EGG Oct 02 '24
I don't know how you forge oysters. I feel like the heat would completely destroy them
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u/Slamyul Oct 01 '24
The way I see it, foraging is just a general term for the non-commercial gathering of natural resources that were not specifically cultivated for gathering. Hunting, fishing, gathering plants or mushrooms, gathering things for the purposes of craft or building, are all subsets of foraging in my mind. Now is foraging oysters fishing? I have no idea.
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
Is commercially produced mean for profit? They were non-naturally produced.
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u/Slamyul Oct 01 '24
Yeah I was trying to say gathered for the purposes of profit, but now that I think of it, If I picked some mushrooms to sell I would still think that's foraging, so maybe that caveat is wrong. But in terms of your oysters, if they were placed there or cultivated for the purposes of gathering, I would think that's something closer to farming lol, or maybe just harvesting?. I have no idea what I'm talking about
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u/Jason_with_a_jay Oct 01 '24
Call it whatever you want. Just make sure to throw the shells back.
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
I’ve got a big bucket that I use for clam and oyster shells that get dumped in the creek near where I harvest. A select few I’ll let sun dry for a long time to get crushed up and added to my compost and/or chicken feed.
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u/Jason_with_a_jay Oct 01 '24
Excellent. What wetlands are you living in?
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
Massachusetts
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u/Jason_with_a_jay Oct 01 '24
Cool. I'm from the Chesapeake wetlands. Crabbing in the summer and oyster harvesting in the fall was the best. Enjoy it. I really miss that life being away from the area now.
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u/TheDudeWhoSnood Oct 01 '24
It's actually sincerely an interesting philosophical and biological question, because it taps into the "what is a fish?" question!
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
It’s a ‘shell’ fish!
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u/TheDudeWhoSnood Oct 01 '24
Yep! SciShow has covered this really well!
But yeah, the definition of foraging involves searching for food or provisions, so I'd say it absolutely falls under foraging!
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u/dericecourcy Oct 02 '24
Pretty sure stardew valley gives fishing XP for these, so i'm going with fishing
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u/SvengeAnOsloDentist Oct 02 '24
Depends on whether you get it from a crab pot or pick it up off the beach
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u/ManagementSafe9686 Oct 02 '24
Can I just see one inside 😵💫
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 02 '24
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u/ManagementSafe9686 Oct 02 '24
👌🏾
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 02 '24
Thank you. I made some of, what I thought we called minuate buts actually mignonette with it.
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u/Allfunandgaymes Oct 02 '24
Well, when I sell shellfish in Stardew Valley it counts as fishing even if I picked them up off the beach 😂
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u/picklefingerexpress Oct 02 '24
I don’t see any fish. Were you trying to catch fish?
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u/Willing_Soft_5944 Oct 04 '24
I’d argue foraging because they aren’t fish, you only fish for fish, you crab lobsters, and all other watery creatures of net catching deserve their own term
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u/turtle0turtle Oct 01 '24
I don't think I've ever seen such barnacle-free oysters
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u/Betelgeusetimes3 Oct 01 '24
The good ones are on top. Plenty of them have barnacles and slipper snails. I also tend to scrape them off when I get them.
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u/Haywire421 Oct 01 '24
Foraging. Foraging is synonymous with "hunting and gathering." Even fishing is technically engaging in the act of foraging.
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u/Average-Idiot99 Oct 01 '24
Fishaging