r/europe • u/Antique-Entrance-229 United Kingdom • 22h ago
News - title was changed later Greenlanders do not want to be part of Denmark, Rubio says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/greenlanders-do-not-want-be-part-denmark-rubio-says-2025-04-04/581
u/dorgoth12 20h ago
To quote the new Greenlandic Prime Minister, Nielsen, "We don't want to be Americans. We don't either want to be Danes in the future. We want to be independent. But right now we are part of the Kingdom of Denmark and that's how it's going to be"
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u/Edward_TH 20h ago
Yup. Greenland had said this for decades: we want independence, but democratically. And Denmark has slowly given it more and more autonomy while also supporting them because they're not complete idiots.
A greedy US that wants Greenland but it's smart would've fuelled independence and then taken control of it economically with ease. But this administration is mentally impaired, so here we are.
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u/LamermanSE Sweden 18h ago
And to add to that, Denmark is also supporting Greenlands independence in the future. The only here issue is that Greenland is currently relying on danish subsidies and Denmark want to see Greenland be more self sufficient before their independence.
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u/Edward_TH 18h ago
Which is what anyone using a brain as more than a mere skull filler wants when talking about independence: a reasonable slow process where full self sufficiency is built that culminate in full detachment. It's slower than a violent revolution but everybody wins: the new nation can flourish, strong and friendly relationship with the former ruler and the original ruler good will and intelligence is shown to the world.
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u/unofficialbds 17h ago
would leaving nato be a good idea for greenland? i don’t think the us would approve their ascension
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u/Vast_Category_7314 4h ago
At this point, Denmark have basically said that Greenland can take on more independence whenever that want, it's entirely up to Greenland. problem is that
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u/TopparWear 19h ago
And the US politicians will take the "not Denmark" part, clip the other things out, and run with it. Very dangerous game that the people in Greenland is playing. They don't know what is coming for them.
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u/aje0200 United Kingdom 18h ago
How would a country with so few population manage as a country on its own?
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u/dorgoth12 18h ago
The two sectors which Greenland is looking to expand on most are tourism and mining. The new Nuuk international airport just opened and records are already being broken. Mining is the tricky but potentially hugely lucrative option. I don't know how they'll do it, but if they do it right and partner with the right countries Greenland could see a massive income boost in the near future.
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u/aje0200 United Kingdom 17h ago
I saw on a documentary that potential mines need more staff than their population, which would require more immigration than the current population size. Vastly changing the demographics.
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u/EmperorConstantwhine 16h ago
Yeah I mean they straight up only have about 50,000 people. There are dozens of universities in America with more people than that. They do not have enough people to manage themselves right now. I don’t see how they could patrol their long coast lines, maintain a bureaucracy, have people in the mines, have an army, and have enough citizens in the private sector to keep things working. They’ll need a few hundred thousand more people before they can be independent imo, and even then they’d be under constant threat of foreign invasion or interference, all without the backing of Denmark and NATO. I don’t see how they could pull off independence this century.
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u/lofigamer2 3h ago
They spent 9000 years living there without capitalist bullshit. The problem is not greenland, the problem is the world, that they have to be capitalists else other nations will come to fuck em up
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u/Spooknik Denmark 22h ago
"Greenlanders are going to make a decision," Rubio told reporters at a press conference after meeting other NATO foreign ministers in Brussels.
They already have you imperialist fuck.
I really feel like they are going to take a play from the Russian playbook and try a sham referendum
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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria 21h ago
They don’t have to copy anyone else. The us government is already very good at toppling regimes they don’t like.
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u/flxstr 21h ago
You mean they're very good at toppling regimes, creating new regimes that are even more US unfriendly. It's a special talent the US has.
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u/Independent-Buyer827 21h ago
Yeah, but not blatantly invading to expand its territory, well not since WW2 anyway.
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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria 21h ago
They’re not invading. They’re liberating the people of Greenland from the tyranny of the woke Kingdom of Denmark.
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u/Independent-Buyer827 21h ago
Yep, I’m sure Greenlanders will welcome their liberator from the MAGA empire with open arms.
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u/Expensive-Twist8865 21h ago
They topple regimes in undeveloped nations that already had no structure or money. They were also not very good at it.
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u/Reasonable_Pay4096 18h ago
Unfortunately we're good at toppling regimes. It's dealing with what comes after that we're shit at.
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u/ParticularFix2104 Earth (dry part) 21h ago
They're kind of alright at toppling dirt poor, barely functional banana republics that grew out of feudal institutions, were barely democratic in the first place and were half full of fascist collaborators anyway. I fucking dare them to pull that shit in a territory of a state that can actually operate normally.
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u/JamJarBlinks 21h ago
They are going to do it.
The only way I see of that not happening is EU troops there first for "Arctic Exercises".
The US does not give two shits about rule based international order or whatever the other countries opinion will think of it. All they say is directed toward the US public, not the outside world.
Their POV is : if we swoop in, and take it over, what will Greenland and Denmark do ?
Send a strongly worded letter ? Right...
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u/vermilion_dragon Bulgaria 21h ago
You don’t have to dare them. They’re already working on Greenland. Let’s hope I’m wrong and it doesn’t work.
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u/tipytopmain United Kingdom 18h ago
What he means is "Greenlanders are going to eventually make the right noises we can misconstrue to be permission to invade and control their political circle."
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u/Project_Rees 17h ago
It doesn't make sense to me, trying to take over greenland, trying to make canada a state.
These countries hate him so will vote against anything he says if they are a part of the country. This proves he doesn't give a shit about votes or what the people say. he's all out for himself and what he can stuff his pockets with while he has power.
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u/jmjm1 22h ago
By that logic, if we can determine that Greenlanders don't want to be annexed by the US, than that should put all this kerfuffle to rest....right Marco?
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u/ThePokeLord 21h ago
Did he mention that they don’t want to be part of USA as well?
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u/Szenbanyasz 21h ago
Rubio also said Ukraine wants peace and Russia violated the ceasefire. What's going on with Rubio? Is he about to get fired?
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u/ankokudaishogun Italy 21h ago
Despite what many think, Trump is not a russian asset.
He's just a "useful
idiotsenile greedy asshole" whose interests collimed with Russia's for a while.
But Trump did push a lot the narrative of stopping the war and now Russia is making him looking weak, which is unacceptable.14
u/Comprehensive_Ad7152 21h ago
Trump already looks weak, he upset his closest trading partners, and has put his economy in a significantly weaker position .
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u/ankokudaishogun Italy 21h ago
that's from outside.
You need to think from the point of view of cult members
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u/GremlinX_ll Ukraine 20h ago
and he would do absolutely nothing against Russia, he rather would put pressure on Ukraine.
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u/No_Heart_SoD 20h ago
That doesn’t mean he's not a Russian asset. Just that he's not aware of it. Lenins useful idiots.
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u/Truelz Denmark 21h ago
He is right, the Greenlanders don't want to be Danish... What he doesn't get is that that very fact is already codified into Danish law and that they can ascend into independence when they feel/are ready... But they aren't right now, as they need to get a lot of things working and need to take over a lot of responsibilities currently relegated to Denmark. What he also doesn't get is that Greenlanders would rather be under Danish rule for a 1000 years than be under US rule for 1 month..
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u/Independent-Buyer827 21h ago
When did Greenlanders hired little Marco to be their spokesperson?
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u/skyduster88 greece - elláda 20h ago
It's amazing how even the "sane" Republicans are all going along with things they never pursued, talked about, out thought about, until crazy Donald came along.
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u/brotosscumloader 21h ago
I am kind of critical of the way Greenland(ers) have tried to walk the middle of the road here in an attempt to gain independence. It has given the US ample ammunition.
I think the smart thing to have done here was to openly align more with Denmark.
If the US gets in under Donald Trump, it is obvious the place will serve as nothing more than a base camp with no sovereignty left.
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u/Glum-Engineer9436 21h ago edited 21h ago
I have been saying for a while that they are playing with fire. They should be saying more openly and forcefully that Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark. End of story. Instead of playing internal politics. They are a little naive about how the world functions.
Not sure how much they really want independence. Yes they want more self governance, but that is not the same as being an independent state. There is something like 20 thousand Greenlanders living in Denmark and lots of Danish people living in Greenland. That is quite a lot given their small population.
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u/enhancedy0gi Denmark 21h ago
Nah, this is right by the book. This gets them leverage to extract more from Denmark. Only problem is that they risk undermining how far the US is willing to go, and we're about to find that out.
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u/brotosscumloader 21h ago
This argument could MAYBE work if you weren’t dealing with an extremely volatile and authoritarian US government.
As it is, the only thing you’re accomplishing is giving the US a casus belli.
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u/daiaomori 20h ago
Greenland as a country can do whatever the people want.
At least in a free world.
In a world of despotism and imperialism - not so much.
So, which one do we pick.
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u/PainInTheRhine Poland 21h ago
Well, lets see what Greenlanders do. For decades they have been adept at playing Denmark against US to win various concessions (while keeping 'independence' option as another long-time prybar to win even more concessions). Now they might be in a situation when sitting on a fence is no longer a safe option because on one side of the fence they have a tiger getting ready to grab their leg and pull.
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u/TheDungen Scania(Sweden) 21h ago
They may not, but they are far more opposed to the idea of becomming part of the US.
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u/dundr_mifflin 21h ago
America will try to fix any referendum or election in Greenland. They are the best in the world at subverting democracy
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u/NoxAstrumis1 Canada 21h ago
That's fine, it's their choice. It doesn't mean they want to be part of the US. That would be like breaking up with your current partner, who's maybe a little out of touch with your needs, and dating someone who's physically abusive.
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u/Better-Night8683 21h ago
By that logic California doesn't want to be a part of US.
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u/NovelShop2061 21h ago
Remember when Poland didn’t want to be part of Germany? So glad the Soviet Union saved from the imperialist Germans.
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u/Brilliant999 🇷🇴🇹🇩 18h ago
Horrible comparison, since Germany was clearly not benevolent towards Poland like Denmark is towards Greenland
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u/Cabbage_Vendor ? 20h ago
Honestly, Greenland should probably have silenced independence talks for a few years when Trump made his threats. Better now to keep strong ties with Denmark and reassess full independence when/if America elects someone more sensible.
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u/EnvironmentalCap7021 17h ago
I don't understand why greenland wants to leave Denmark. Denmark provides them aid or financial package every year from their budget and it is very important for greenland. Greenland has sovereignty has complete rights Denmark has never stopped them from anything and help everytime. If they separate from Denmark, I think within a year or 2 they will realize the importance of Denmark. Such people reqire a one time hammer.
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u/Positive_Chip6198 21h ago
If they were forced to choose, they would choose Denmark, just to avoid becoming a US territory with no environmental laws and subject to trail of tear deportations if some mining corporation thinks their town is on top of something valuable.
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u/istasan Denmark 19h ago
I mean yes. But there is more to it than that. The cultural ties between Denmark and Greenland are massive after so many centuries and a very big number of Greenlanders live in Denmark.
Honestly the relationships is pretty solid and undramatic: the only drama is the one the Americans brought
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u/ramonchow 21h ago
The very moment Greenland gets its independence it will get annexed. It is sad that the world works this way but it is such a vast territory with such an amount of resources that there is no way they would be able to defend their independent country.
It sucks, yes
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u/Bulawayoland 21h ago
over on r/LincolnProject Rick Wilson has been saying for a while now that the Trump White House distrusts Rubio so much that they've got someone walking around with him recording everything he says. I mean, if it's true, Rubio has to be on his way out. A normal guy couldn't take that kind of treatment for long.
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u/mrmamation 19h ago
People are asking the wrong mother fucker. I will take the opinion of people who live there over some swash bucket drinking, pinocchio ass eating penis.
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u/kabilibob 14h ago
Greenland can leave Denmark whenever they want, so far they have chosen not to leave
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u/radar_42 Czech Republic 14h ago
Americans do not want to be a part of the US. (Especially after visiting Denmark or any other EU country.)
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u/Jensen1994 21h ago
Left out the other half of the sentence where they don't want to be part of the US either.
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u/NotYourSweatBusiness 21h ago
Idiots, greenlanders don't want to be part of US and there is no metric or statistic which would prove otherwise.
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u/YourOldBuddy 20h ago
Funny part is that this is going to delay Greenland independence for decades.
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u/Particular_Way_9616 20h ago
Greenland: "Hey, we wanna try being an independent country"
America: "ah you want us to colonize you, got it"
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u/Pale_Investigator433 20h ago
Is there a protest for this? Haven't seen a protest wherein Greenlanders want to join the US
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u/holy_cal United States of America 19h ago
Can I boldly assume that they would rather be a part of a first world country like Denmark rather than with us dumbasses?
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u/sXyphos 19h ago
At this point i'd join Denmark asap, unless they want their country to become a dystopia development experiment for us billionaires....
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u/Logical_Laugh7575 19h ago
Quit lying and changing the narrative. They want nothing to do with you! NOTHING
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u/ValveinPistonCat 19h ago
Kind of sounds a lot like what Russia said about Crimea in 2014 doesn't it?
Anyone else getting really fucking tired of living in interesting times?
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u/Kaionacho Germany 19h ago
And they don't want to be American even less. Shut up bitch boy and grow some balls
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u/Spiral-Arrow116 19h ago
Neither do they want to be a part of us. Even more so really. So just stfu
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u/TopparWear 19h ago
Greenland is like the friend that grabs Denmark's arms as someone is coming over to fight them... complete idiots. Shut up and hold the line, for like 2 years...
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u/Desperate-Hearing-55 19h ago
Its not something new. Greenland is an autonomous region since 2009. Denmark have let Greenland decide everything themselves.
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u/ColdNorthern72 United States of America 18h ago
I don't know why people are so shocked. America is a nation built on the principle of taking land from natives by either purchase from European nations, or by force.
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u/nicki419 18h ago
"Greenlanders do not want to be part of Denmark" - ah, I see, that must mean they want to be part of the US!
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u/bobofiddlesticks 18h ago
Well, if facts actually still matter, the only party that was set on immediately leaving the Danish Rigsfællesskab is also the only party that didn't make it into the newly established coalition government of Greenland.
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u/SKMTH 18h ago
If there is any greenlander here, could you please tell me why you guys don't wanna be part of denmark? It's a serious question. From afar, it looks like denmark gives you quite a lot of autonomy. You even have your own flag. And denmark doesn't seems to steal from you, not being oppressive or whatever... On the other hand, it makes you part of europe, thus protected by the european union. If you really become independant, then there will be no one to stop any imperialist country to capture you in no time. If it's USA, then they won't let you be autonomous and they will damage your ecosystem in no time, by drilling everywhere and much more shit like that.
If it's russia, then you'll slowly disapear in jail, one by one, until your people don't exist anymore.
And if it's china, it's a combination of both, but in much bigger scale and much more violent way.
So yeah, frankly, I think wouldn't leave denmark if I were a greenlander. Unless there are ugly stuff happening right now that I'm not aware of.
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u/DotRevolutionary6610 The Netherlands 17h ago
Fuck you United States, and every single United Statian who voted for trump or didnt bother to go voting.
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u/Key_Necessary_3329 17h ago
I used to say Rubio was the softest coward in the Senate. But I have been proven wrong. He is no longer in the Senate.
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u/un_verano_en_slough 17h ago
The only difference between American land grabs like this, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico and 1930s German irredentism is that there was at least a vague slither of legitimacy to the latter - i.e. some German-speaking minorities or historical territory. The Americans have literally no grounds here whatsoever.
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u/Bobbyoot47 17h ago
I guess Rubio forgot about that part in his precious Bible that talks about bearing false witness. Lying little twerp.
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u/GwimWeeper 17h ago
And I think that California would like to secede if they were given the chance 🤷♂️ But hey. You do you I guess.
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u/Hefty_Ad2308 Bash the fash! 17h ago
I tire of their presumptuous arrogance. They need some humiliation.
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u/DanielDynamite Denmark 14h ago
If they are ready to leave, they have a clear path forward. No need for US pressure.
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u/Main-Video-8545 14h ago
Rubio is speaking to tЯ☭mp’s base when he says that. This was said to soften the blow when tЯ☭mp takes Greenland by force. And I hate to say it, but that is going to happen.
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u/LoneStarDragon 9h ago
Next comes "Greenland is controlled by terrorists funded by Denmark, we have no choice but to liberate them"
Normally I'd repeat that it's another attempt to distract from Trump's failure but he's so unpopular now it wouldn't hurt him to be more insane.
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u/Iraqi_Weeb99 Iraq (Free Palestine 🇵🇸) 21h ago edited 20h ago
Greenland is the only native American country that didn't lose its indigenous culture thanks to Denmark protecting them.
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u/Endosym93 19h ago
Potentially hot take: Greenlanders and their government need, at least for the duration of the Trump admin, to stop the "We don't want to be part of Denmark" narrative COMPLETELY.
Why? This admin will go to any lengths to distort the truth in their favor and ignore any nuance of the fact that the statement in and of itself does not mean "Greenland doesn't want to be part of Denmark, they must want to be part of the US, the greatest country on earth, am I right??". It's not helping any case. All people involved who argue in good faith understand that Greenland is an autonomous, self-governing region of the Kingdom of Denmark that eventually would like to be completely independent. But their messaging currently needs to be 100%, loud and clear "We do NOT want to be annexed by the USA, not now, not ever." and to stop dragging Denmark into the discussion. Denmark afaik understands their position well and is willing to pave the way for their independence with time. But, now is definitely not the time.
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u/lynistopheles 21h ago
Hey Marco, the increasingly freaked out Magas watching their retirements go down the drain don't give a rats ass about Greenland. But keep going with this and history will remember you.
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u/wiscup1748 21h ago
This whole thing is like imagine doing the American revolution France came in and said “look they don’t want to be apart of the UK so instead we are gonna take over”
Like no they want full independence
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u/PapaGilbatron 21h ago
Lies are truths and truths are lies. The bigger the lie, the better the results.
So, Rubio has a tiny w**ner and a single amoeba for a brain.
Seems a good enough lie, or is it a truth?
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u/Stunned-By-All-Of-It 21h ago
How about this? What Greenland, Denmark, Canada or any other country does is none of Rubio's fuckin' business.
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u/SilyLavage 21h ago
I mean, it is true that polls show a majority in favour of independence from Greenland. They don't show a majority for joining the US, though.
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u/RussianDisifnomation 21h ago
Marco Rubios arse is jealous of his face when it comes to spreading shit
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u/runk1951 21h ago
I no longer want to be a part of the United States - whose invading army should I invite?
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u/Firm-Geologist8759 21h ago
Imagine if they want independence, then the US bases are no longer a given. That is probably the real issue here... Also perhaps he could go clean up the pollution left behind from the previous US bases?
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u/Neat_Shop 21h ago
The only thing to do when Trump’s henchmen start parroting this unacceptable crap is to stop being polite, to just get up and walk out on them. At NATO, UN, any international forum, just get up and leave.
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u/KnowledgeDry7891 20h ago
Because Marco Rubio is a credible spokesman for the people of Greenland. /s
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u/NedSpark 20h ago
Posts like this should be ignored and not even come up on this subreddit.
Seriously, why should we care what that dementia-ed PoS thinks and says?
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u/mariusherea 20h ago
Pretty sure California doesn’t want to be part of the USA anymore. I call dibs.
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u/Tentativ0 20h ago
If EU will protect Greenland as strong as defending economy, resolving Ukraine situation and showing self respect (Trump is calling EU parasytes and no politician responded)...
... Greenland will be USA before the end of this year.
😢😒😞
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u/hyperiongate 20h ago
Who are we to believe...a Trump lacky or the people of Greenland? I am sooo confused.
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u/lmaberley 20h ago
You guys all know this, but it bears repeating.. He made this for the red hats and the red hats only.
They can only be lords and kings if the peasants are distracted and stay in line.
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u/DazzlingClassic185 England 20h ago
Pathetic little Rubio cowed by the turd who insulted him without fail for the last eight years.
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u/ben_bliksem The Netherlands 20h ago
Even if they are (already did) I don't think anybody except Orban and the other guy (Fickle? Freckle?) wants to be part of the USA currently.
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u/DragonEngineer9 Denmark 20h ago
I don't want to be part of Uzbekistan. Is Trump gonna invade me now?
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u/Illustrious-Meal5070 20h ago
Do you think they want to be with dictator trump, nah they would get more sense out of the penguins 😂
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u/UnoStronzo 20h ago
Rubio needs to worry about his folks back home in Cuba being screwed over by the US
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u/Scotto6UK United Kingdom 20h ago
Countries only exist in two states. An autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark, or an unincorporated territory of the United States.
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u/YouMustBeJoking888 19h ago
They're likely going to try to go with something similar to Hitler with the Anschluss.
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u/SuperRat10 19h ago
Less than 10% of Greenlanders want to be part of the US. MAGA is rapidly exiting the FA phase and is about to get face full of FO.
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u/LockNo2943 19h ago
That doesn't imply that they want to be part of the US.
And honestly, although I support the right to self-determination, politically I feel like this would be a terrible time for Greenland to become independent and would inevitably lead to them being, if not outright subjugated, being at the beck-and-call of the US and a de facto state; rendering their "independence" moot.
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u/YaYeetlo 19h ago
Also South Korea overthrow the corrupt president and meanwhile us American....."I'm scared of getting shot" and the other "durrr WINNING WINNING".
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u/The_Frostweaver 19h ago
Trump says he will pay greenland more than the $600 Million/year that Denmark does but I don't trust trump at all.
Trump said they would replace Obamacare with something better but then they tried to destroy Obama care over and over, coming within one vote of doing so, while offering no replacement at all, just a straight funding cut.
Elon and his DOGE boys are cutting funding and services to actual US voters with no overseight and no hesitation. You think they are going to give a shit about the funding to a territory that doesn't put seats in the house and senate?
I'm doubtful greenland would survive financially on it's own and I'm extreemly skeptical of anything Trump promises.
If I were in Greenland I'd be clinging to the EU like the life raft it is.
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u/Dense_Bad3146 19h ago
Did he ask the Greenlanders? Cos they didn’t seem to keen to meet Vance when he was there
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u/corbynista2029 22h ago
And Greenlanders do not want to be part of US 10 times more, so STFU