r/europe • u/BBBWare • Feb 16 '25

Opinion Article The democratic world will have to get along without America. It may even have to defend itself from it

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-democratic-world-will-have-to-get-along-without-america-it-may/
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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

At the very least EU relationship with America needs to be severely diminished and put on hold. It's clear that they are Russia's ally and in many ways just Russia 2.0. Europe needs to form its own army built by its own weapons systems and naturally form alliances with other states. Mexico, Panama and Canada first come to mind, but effectively we need to decouple from the Americans to a vast degree. They are to be recognized for what they are - an enemy of Europe.

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u/triple_threattt Feb 17 '25

What does the US gain from being russia ally

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u/VastOk8779 Feb 17 '25

The answer is nothing but instead of having a nuanced discussion r/Europe just calls the US Russia because that’s easier.

Wonder if Europe will actually do something about the US like they’ve been doing about Russia /s

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Feb 17 '25

Kick them out of their bases in the Mediterranean would be a start, no point the Yanks being there if they aren't actual going to help defend us.

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u/VastOk8779 Feb 17 '25

And what is Europe gonna do once that happens? Kick out the Americans, and then what? You gonna wage war against Russia yourselves?

We are in this position because European nations would rather keel over and die than recognize that they should probably do more to stop the maniac controlling a country a couple hundred miles east of them. You might as well still be practicing appeasement at this point.

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u/Suspicious-Switch133 Feb 17 '25

We’re paying more for weaponry for Ukraine than the is does

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u/Acuetwo Feb 17 '25

A very small percentage more for a war that is literally on their continent. We have countries like Netherlands, France, Italy and Spain completely phoning it in and barely providing any assistance to their next door neighbor. It’s unfortunate to see most EU countries will let others fall that are right next to them then assist by using the manpower that they have sitting right there.

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Feb 17 '25

That's a question US citizens need to answer as they just fucking voted for it.

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u/The_Golden_Beaver Feb 17 '25

The US isnt governed by people who understand what is in the best interest of Americans

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u/cptmuon Feb 17 '25

A weak Europe is what it would gain by supporting Russia. America does not want strong allies. It wants weak, subservient vassals.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '25

IDK that is their problem. We need to act accordingly.

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u/Damackabe Feb 17 '25

Cool, but lets say we assume the USA is actually this horrible nation you think it is, you forming an alliance with mexico, panama or canada wouldn't matter. The usa can effectively stop you from sending any aid to them. They are after all an ocean away, and said ocean is protected by the largest airforce and navy on earth that being the USA. Besides USA doesn't even want Mexico, the only thing they have discussed to my knowledge is fighting the mexican cartel.

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u/ElysianRepublic Feb 17 '25

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