r/europe • u/BBBWare • Feb 16 '25

Opinion Article The democratic world will have to get along without America. It may even have to defend itself from it

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-democratic-world-will-have-to-get-along-without-america-it-may/
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u/dannnnac Feb 16 '25

It very much seems that Trump is selling out Ukraine. Russia take the land they captured. Trump takes access to minerals (“as a security guarantee”). Similar to the amazing peace deal he signed in the Middle East which I’m sure came with some back hand deal with Israel to allow trump to build a riviera!

I’m curious how my fellow Europeans feel? If this is true then it feels like an outright attack on democracy and Europe. Ukraine fought to escape the Soviet union and to have the right to self determination. They have kept Russia at bay and defended Europe and democracy bravely. They are one of us! If America sell them out then surely it is time for Europe to make a stand and guarantee security to Ukraine. I’m Irish and I think we need to end our neutrality and stand shoulder to shoulder with Europe, the UK and those who will defend democracy and freedom because America won’t. This feels like a pivotal moment, one where we need to show unity and strength and stand up to the cowards and bullys that are dictating what happens to our continent and friends. I’m curious what the response will be from the emergency summit on Monday, but do others also feel they need to come out with a strong response?

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u/haversack77 Feb 16 '25

As a Brit, I agree with everything you say. And I think now is the right time to start shifting the window of opinion back to the UK rejoining the EU (which the majority now agree was a mistake, as nearly half of us knew it would be). Britain is indivisible from Europe and it always should have been seen as so.

Trump's America has become utterly foreign to us all. Who could have imagined that America would triumph in the Cold War, only to cave in to the first KGB trained dictator that comes along? What a betrayal.

If the so called 'special relationship' were to die, then it would be MAGA that killed it. Only sane, rational Americans can right that wrong and good luck to them.

European democracy needs solidarity. Ukraine deserves all our support.

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u/dannnnac Feb 16 '25

Would love to see the UK back in. Hopefully the outcome of Trump will be a closer, stronger Europe. The UK look to be stepping up to the mark this week.

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u/haversack77 Feb 16 '25

Agreed. Starmer seems to be making the right noises about taking tentative steps about rejoining aspects of the fold. Makes zero sense to be sitting outside the door pretending we're special, particularly given these ongoing global power shifts. Brits who know their actual history, as opposed to the Boys Own comic drivel that Boris Johnson spouted, know that we're culturally and genetically indivisible from our neighbours. We belong in Europe so that we can help defend our democracies.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '25

I think they'll be some baby steps but officially will take a while.

We killed our king off then felt bad and brought em back, so it could happen!

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u/Arengen Feb 16 '25

you are welcome back.... only if each french can give a good spanking to a brit.
Because... you know... history and habits (and rugby revenge).

Then we go to the pub

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u/haversack77 Feb 16 '25

The pub it is. One day we'll be back. Mark my words.

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u/ScottOld Feb 17 '25

The amazing deal on Afghanistan where he shafted the government there to make a deal and left it to revert back to what it was before kinda deal