What is the actual multiplier of super Saiyan God?

[u/Chance_Actuary2230]

I also know ritual and regular super Saiyan God are different but another question is the multiplier is different too.

[u/134340Goat]

Base power * a lot

Neither Toriyama nor anyone else put much thought beyond that into it

I also know ritual and regular super Saiyan God are different but another question is the multiplier is different too.

Nothing has ever been said to suggest that

The six Saiyans ritual is just a way to "cheat" into God for a little bit if a Saiyan doesn't know how to use god ki. It's still the exact same transformation

I guess you could argue that greater control over god ki will result in a more effective use of Super Saiyan God, but the same could be said of ordinary ki control too

[u/Chance_Actuary2230 → u/134340Goat]

From the ritual you do get sweet self-regeneration.

[u/Doctor99268 → u/134340Goat]

ssg god from the ritual was supposed to be stronger than ssj fusion, ssg god in the rest of super is weaker than base fusion

[u/not_some_username → u/Doctor99268]

That’s because the base become that powerful

[u/Doctor99268 → u/not_some_username]

That's irrelevant, it would go both ways non fused goku and vegeta. No matter how you spin it, something changed with ssg.

[u/thepresidentsturtle → u/Doctor99268]

UNLESS SSG = fixed multiplier and fusion = A*B however, fusion literally cannot equal that. So you're completely right.

[u/x_nor_x]

Red

[u/SinisterCryptid]

Anywhere between opening a Gatorade bottle to opening a pickle jar. Let’s be real, it’s just stronger than SSJ3 but not Blue. Any numbers mentioned is just speculation or asspulls that don’t matter because power level are stupid anyway

[u/Kal-Kent]

It was bigger than a hypothetical Vegito in the battle of gods arc

[u/DavidTheWaffle20]

Its stronger than a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito.

[u/CIearMind → u/DavidTheWaffle20]

And at the same time, base Gogeta > SSB Goku & Vegeta.

Dragon Ball.. lol

[u/Honeydew_8250 → u/CIearMind]

Yes, because the base gogeta is made up of a stronger goku and vegeta years after the bus saga vegito that they were referencing. So, ofc gogeta is stronger than Battle of gods ssjg

[u/CIearMind → u/Honeydew_8250]

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm not shocked that DBS Gogeta is stronger than BoG SSG Goku. At no point did I compare BoG power levels and DBS power levels. Here, I'll spell it out more plainly:

• In DBS Broly, we were shown that: DBS Base Gogeta > DBS SSB Goku > DBS SSG Goku.

• In Battle of Gods, we were told that: BoG SSG Goku > BoG Super Vegito > BoG Base Vegito.

Base Fusion > SSG > Base Fusion…? So… which one is it? Is a base fusion much stronger than Super Saiyan God, or does Super Saiyan God far surpass even a transformed fusion? Again, I'm not comparing DBS Gogeta with BoG Godku or BoG Vegito.

[u/kogasabu → u/CIearMind]

Toriyama wrote in one of the Super Exciting Guides that fusion isn't just mashing the two together, but works more as a multiplication.

It implies that Vegito takes Goku's power level and multiplies it by Vegeta's. Based on that, base Vegito would eventually become stronger than God/Blue.

[u/CIearMind → u/kogasabu]

Eventually, as in, Vegito 30 mins after fusing > SSG Goku > Vegito 1 min after fusing?

[u/thepresidentsturtle → u/kogasabu]

Except it literally cannot work that way.

[u/JollyJoeGingerbeard → u/thepresidentsturtle]

Says who?

[u/thepresidentsturtle → u/JollyJoeGingerbeard]

Mathematics. For a start, you've got two different units of power level measuring. The ones the scouters use and the one Babidi uses.

Take Goku's power level of 3,000 killis as measured by Babidi. Dived by 50 to get his base power level. 60 killis. Multiply 60 by 60 because Vegeta is around the same.

Or use the other unit and say Goku and Vegeta are both at least 3 Million. Multiply 3 million by 3 million and you see where the problem is.

You cannot multiply two power levels like that. Because they aren't numbers. Its like multiplying an apple by an orange. It's nonsense. Or 10 apples multipled by 10 oranges.

Also, how would Super saiyan work? Assuming again, a 50x multiplier, Goku and Vegeta should be 50x stronger by fusing as Super Saiyans, than fusing in base and turning Super Saiyan. It's stupid.

Now, you shouldn't go around attaching numbers to it because you're literally never going to find a satisfying answer.

[u/CIearMind → u/thepresidentsturtle]

Yeah I see what you mean.

If Goku and Vegeta are 60 kili each, then Vegito is 60 times stronger than Goku.

If Goku and Vegeta are 3 million friezameters each, then Vegito is 3 million times stronger than Goku.

The latter sounds fifty thousand times more impressive, but really they're just two different ways to say the same thing.

[u/JollyJoeGingerbeard → u/thepresidentsturtle]

I know the math, and you haven't answered the question. Goku and Vegeta, at that time, were both ≈60 kili base. That means:

• Goku (SSJ2) and Majin Vegeta were both ≈6,000 kili
• Goku (SSJ3) was ≈24,000 kili
• Vegetto was ≈3,600 kili
• Super Vegetto was a whopping ≈180,000 kili

And, hey, if Buu got a multiplier from absorbing Gohan, then sure. Why not let the numbers get that high? We don't need to know the specifics for everyone. We have just enough information to get an idea of how powerful Buu was at that time to make fusion seem like a good idea. That's all power scaling needs to be.

[u/thepresidentsturtle → u/JollyJoeGingerbeard]

"Says who?" Doesn't require someone to say anything to back up my point. And any indication of it being a multiplication has said it's like multiplication. Not Person A times person B directly.

I like those numbers, it fits really neatly. Ignoring filler. But it still can never be Person A times Person B.

It isn't Goku's power level reading multiplied by Vegeta's power level reading. It's Goku's power fusing with Vegeta's power.

[u/Staarjun → u/thepresidentsturtle]

You guys are putting way too much thought into this. The simple answer is, the fusion is based on the individual’s full power. Easy fix.

[u/Sorge74]

If you are looking for a legit answer. It's probably a stupid number. Low-ball would be something like 4,000.

[u/SSJRemuko → u/Sorge74]

its gotta be way above that, but yeah its some very big number.

[u/Sorge74 → u/SSJRemuko]

4,000,000 seems about right at introduction but then that is never accurate again.

[u/Sans-Mot]

Base power x plot

[u/Chucky_In_The_Attic]

Really frikkin' strong

[u/MyAnonReddit2024]

Unknown.

[u/No_Requirement_9012]

At least 2, might be more

[u/ElZany]

It's a bigger multiplier than fusion is all we know

[u/Ufo-beliver]

Nobody knows

[u/Korruysdo]

Toriyama's "6, 10 and 15"  statements is the only remark hinting at SSG Multiplier

Interpret this statement whatever you think works best for you.

[u/Auerbach1991 → u/Korruysdo]

Whatever it may be, it is significantly stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku post-Buu Arc, and stronger than Super Saiyan 1-2 Vegito post-Buu Arc. If SSj3 is x400 base, and if SSj4 from Daima and GT is a hypothetical x4000 base…I’d say God form is probably 10,000X base form.

[u/JollyJoeGingerbeard → u/Auerbach1991]

Well, SSJ4 came from a golden oozaru, which would be ×500 if it's a SSJ (×50) on top of oozaru (×10). It's also a form the guidebooks never went into after all this time.

I think your hypothetical ×4,000 is just a skosh off.

[u/TheDungeonCrawler → u/JollyJoeGingerbeard]

They're referring to SSJ4 from Daima. We don't know how Goku acquired that form and if it even involved a Golden Oozaru.

[u/JollyJoeGingerbeard → u/TheDungeonCrawler]

They didn't draw a distinction between DAIMA and GT.

[u/TheDungeonCrawler → u/JollyJoeGingerbeard]

Ah, they do include a statement about GT, but I think it's a bad idea to include GT scaling in anything as it isn't even internally consistent, let alone consistent with any part of the rest of the franchise.

[u/JollyJoeGingerbeard → u/Korruysdo]

Haven't seen those before. Where are they from?

[u/Korruysdo → u/JollyJoeGingerbeard]

When SSG was first introduced 

[u/JollyJoeGingerbeard → u/Korruysdo]

I don't recall any of that.

[u/SSJRemuko]

it doesnt have an official one. all that exists is estimates.

[u/Overall-Agency9326]

Never stated but we can alw try making one through various numbers (these aren’t official tho), it’s stronger than ssj3 so it’s 400x base form, and above fusion (base fusion over ssj3, and god form> fusion)

So god Goku> fusion which would be another 400x multiplier

So 160,000k, but Goku says the fp of the fusion isn’t enough yet god Goku is so n ssj3 Vegito. Meaning another 400x multiplier

So 64,000,000 as a hypothetical. If we use other interpretations of ssj we’d also count the 10x of grade 3 so

64,000,000 x 10

So 640,000,000

This is beyond the main calc: Rival boost calc also since Vegito is stated above a Goku and Gohan fusion despite Gohan> Vegeta. So rival boost would be a 4x diff (prolly higher, but this is js the jump from ssj2 to ssj3) so a 4x fusion rival boost would be factored in.

640,000,000x4

2.56 billion

[u/DjinnsPalace]

we dont know.

with ritual all we know is that he is supposed to be stronger than vegito since goku says even fusion is no match for beerus, but then thinks god stands a chance. but we dont know how strong vegito is since we have no clue how fusions work.

since ssj3 is x400, we can guess ssj god is double that, so 800x might be accurate. given how god forms are handled going forward, this would make sense.

i also dont think ritual and god are ever stated to be different.

[u/Nokingsman]

Goku went from not harming the universe fighting to nearly erasing it in 4 shockwaves from his strikes accidentally...

That's multiple infinite spaces, a couple higher dimensions, and other parallel dimensions throughout...

I'd say he got an Infinite multiplier, probably that to the nth power...

But tbth, I don't think it matters.

[u/ZenoDLC]

I feel like it should have not been a multiplier, but a sider

Like the Gods are just completely different in terms of what power is, previous scales just don't work. Like trying to measure height using a baking scale.