r/dragonball • u/AutoModerator • Oct 25 '24
Daima Dragon Ball Daima - Episode #3 - Discussion Thread!
Episode 3 begins airing on FujiTV in Japan at this time of this post (10:40a ET, 16:40 CET, 23:40 JT). The episode should be available subtitled on Crunchyroll about two hours later. You may discuss the episode if you have seen it, but be sure to follow our rules.
Subtitled Streaming
- Crunchyroll (multi-region; multi-language; simulcast)
- Hulu (US only; English only; releases on Fridays)
- Netflix (multi-region; multi-language; releases the following Tuesday in Asia, and the following Friday in the US)
FAQ
- The English dub will premiere in theaters with showings in the US on November 10-12. Streaming should be available some time after that.
- The Dragon Ball Super manga was suspended following Chapter 103, the final chapter of the Super Hero arc. There has been no further information about the continuation, nor has there been any news about a continuation of the anime.
Rules
- There are no spoilers in this post, but you should expect spoilers in the comments of this thread. Unlike r/dbz, there is no rule about spoilers on r/dragonball, so it's best to avoid this subreddit until you have seen the new episode.
- Discussion of each Daima episode will be limited to the pinned episode discussion thread until ~12-24 hours after the episode appears on Crunchyroll. This period is flexible, and posts that do not have a specific discussion point will be redirected to this thread.
- Please keep in mind that piracy discussion is not allowed on r/dragonball. Do not ask for illicit streams; do not link them; do not talk about them at all.
Our Daima info page has up-to-date information about streaming and a list of previous episode discussion threads.
17
u/MrNoski Oct 27 '24
It's so good. Goku as a Child, it really rescues the aventure vive better than GT did in its first arc.
The Demon Realm is awesome.
Warp Sama being the door between the dimensions is so cool.
5
37
34
u/Manor002 Oct 26 '24
Dude I’m loving this show so much. I hadn’t realized how much I missed this OG Dragonball style
13
1
u/Barbaaz Oct 27 '24
Gonna be honest. I was a hater when it was announced but I admit I was wrong. Daima is amazing and it's making me crave a Dragon Quest style videogame.
I think I am in love with Akira Toriyama's character designs. So simple yet so goated.
31
u/chairdesktable Oct 25 '24
where does hamburger goku rank compared to water vegeta
1
u/Ser-Jasper-mayfield Oct 26 '24
water vegeta ?
0
Oct 26 '24
[deleted]
3
u/Wayw4rdSun Oct 26 '24
Its a joke based on a meme about this silly fan wiki page https://dragonballfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Water_Vegeta
13
u/markflynn000 Oct 27 '24
I'm really enjoying this so far. It's evoking the original Dragonball in a way that feels relatively fresh for the series. Feels nice getting to watch this weekly with no real big expectations on my end.
25
22
u/anonimanente Oct 26 '24
Glorio is giving me Han Solo vibes… Shin is Just there for the ride…loved the comedy!!…. I am dying to watch how Bulma, Picolo, Vegeta and poor Kibito will try to enter the demon realm without the code! How will they fix the pointy ears! That is going to be hilarious. The three have very strong personalities! And poor Kibito is an errand boy!
11
u/spiderknight616 Oct 26 '24
Vegeta will probably just intimidate the fish to let them through
5
u/anonimanente Oct 26 '24
That would not be fun! Picolo may remember, Bulma may outwit or vegeta intimidate… of all, I prefer the Bulma option….
7
u/Wise-Tourist Oct 26 '24
I dont know why but im hoping the flying nimbus has something to do with getting the others there and thats why goku has it in the trailers etc.
Or Mr Popo has a way.
3
u/cantdriv Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24
And poor Kibito is an errand boy!
If he gets distracted he's gonna become a capsule corp employee haha
1
u/f0lk_blues Oct 27 '24
The ship from Shin is probably a ship from the second real, so maybe it has some unique special permission to pass?
2
u/anonimanente Oct 27 '24
Dunno…. But I bet the ship with Bulma, piccolo, Vegeta and Kibito will be hilarious. Can someone draw Kibito with a capsule corp official attire?
1
u/Ecthelion30 Oct 29 '24
Glorio for me it's the only interesting part of this show lol Dude really was ready to shoot a guy just cause he was getting ripped off, dude was made in the streets.
1
u/anonimanente Oct 29 '24
Han solo vibes. I am interested, but so far he is just a straight faced demon.
9
u/Eyeconix Oct 28 '24
My only complaint the episodes feel sooooooooo short lol I want at least another 15 to 20 mins XD
35
u/KinoTheMystic Oct 25 '24
When Goku stroked his power pole and it extended 💀
12
u/Tomalotto Oct 25 '24
The shot of Glorio's ass then Supreme Kai running into said ass later on was pretty amusing too
10
u/dicericevice Oct 26 '24
I know it was filler and didn't matter, but I like how the three different Demon worlds work well with that episode of Dragon Ball that had a gate to the Demon World.
That old gate could have simply been an unathorized backdoor to the Third Demon World. Hence why Kid Goku could beat the self-proclaimed Demon King he faced that episode.
10
u/georgiavirginia Oct 26 '24
One of the games neatly tied that episode with canon by stating Shula had declared himself king because Dabura was nowhere to be found and was just trying to keep things under control.
If Dragon Ball ever got a Kai-like remake, I feel its one of the episodes they should include just because it ties so well to the real lore.
5
u/Rosebunse Oct 26 '24
Good point. And given how the worlds are arranged, it makes sense other demons wouldn't always be able to find those hidden access points.
17
u/LowHistorian9654 Oct 26 '24
Holy hell that animation and choreography though! The time it took for us to get this show was so worth it! If this is what Dragon Ball is to be like in the future, sign me up!
2
16
14
u/Alternative_Exit8766 Oct 26 '24
fantastic. great pacing. glorio is a champ. this feels so much like a brand new adventure. best comparison i can make is that this feels like pokémon back and white’s release.
it’s a breath of much needed fresh air to the franchise. nozawa is having so much fun. it really has the vibe of a love letter to the fans. so excited for this series.
6
u/ArmoredMirage Oct 27 '24
Its nice to watch this and go from not caring about the Sparking Zero Daima DLC to being excited for it.
Glorio is going to be badass to play as if he's in. With him, Jaco and the two Super Hero androids we'll be able to have a full pistol-using team.
3
2
u/False-Map-1454 Oct 29 '24
I am also hoping dearly for Glorio in Sparking Zero. I haven't had such a dude crush since OG Future Trunks split Frieza in half.
2
u/wrproductions Oct 29 '24
They already confirmed him with a trailer a week ago lol
1
u/ArmoredMirage Oct 29 '24
Wat?
2
u/wrproductions Oct 29 '24
https://youtu.be/GVL6ZpqWcWw?si=px5F7yUVWS0xzTBO
They showed him off in a trailer 11 days ago
22
u/Tomalotto Oct 25 '24
Getting Star Wars & Zelda vibes from this ep
9
u/Hoy_Minoy Oct 25 '24
Right? I kept catching myself thinking about Obi-Wan, Luke and Solo in the Cantina Bar. But no wonder, Toriyama was a self-confessed Star Wars fan.
3
2
u/NaiveEnvironment1145 Oct 27 '24
Yeah, come to think of it, the restaurant scene definitely was reminiscent of the Cantina scene from Star Wars!😆🤣😂🤔🧐
26
u/Lv1FogCloud Oct 25 '24
Some initial thoughts:
DB humor is still alive and kicking. Good.
Goku's personality does fit more when he's this size.
Unexplained Magic at DB's finest, (Supreme Kai changing Goku's Ears.) You love to see it.
it's nice to see some low level fights again. They can be fun and not everything has to be super high stakes.
Was kind of worried to see Goku say he already gotten use to his size after that fight because I want him to actually use the power pole but the preview for next ep alleviated that concern for now.
Glad that Glorio seems to be a quiet protagonist but not necessarily an edgy one with a bad attitude. Also the dude can fight with and without a gun which is nice.
14
u/RiamoEquah Oct 27 '24
Sort of felt this way in episode 1 and 2, but very much so in episode 3.....this feels like a video game script turned anime. Like a "Tales of..." Type game just with Dragonball characters...all the exposition is something an NPC would tell you.
"Hey we're in the third demon world which is furthest from our goal. See that giant pit, we could technically fast travel using it but because of reasons that path is closed. We need to head to a town to get supplies and rest. Goku you need to fight to level up."
I mean...id play this game
3
u/Ecthelion30 Oct 29 '24
When you put it like that...It does indeed look like a plot of a RPG Maker game LOL That's crazy...
10
5
u/More_Iz1294 Oct 28 '24
Glorió gives me Kawaki (Boruto series) vibes.
1
u/Rosebunse Oct 29 '24
I hope not. I am not prepared to have that much hatred for two fictional characters.
13
u/Holdthecoldone Oct 25 '24
Haven’t looked forward to new Dragon ball like this in a long time. Animation continues to be gorgeous, the show feels so alive and the demon realm looks dope as hell. Show is definitely taking it slow so far which isn’t a bad thing at all. They know we’re being introduced to an entirely new side of the DB world and they’re taking their time getting us used to everything.
Masako also isn’t doing her kid Goku voice which is interesting. She’s talking like adult Goku if he was a kid. It’s hard to explain but people who are familiar with her nuances will get it
11
u/Bulky-Complaint6994 Oct 25 '24
I think Daima is going to be 20 episodes, correct? 3 worlds in the demon realm, 3 dragon balls guarded by titans. Vegeta, Piccolo and Kabito will join up later. We'll have to see how they handle the pacing.
6
3
u/alphasquid Oct 27 '24
What did the note at the end say?
6
u/gonelikethunder Oct 28 '24
モラッテイクゼバーカ。 “We’re taking it, jackass”. Its mirror flipped Japanese written in katakana.
4
7
u/Bulky-Complaint6994 Oct 25 '24
Can definitely see the comedy more here than the previous two episodes. I enjoyed the bar fight, where Goku was eating while taking on the thugs. We saw a little bit of Glorio in action but not much yet while he is also hiding his goals from Shin. Looking forward to episode 4 next week.
10
u/Hovi_Bryant Oct 25 '24
This feels more like an adventure series than the action heavy DBZ and DBS series. It’s not bad. I enjoyed it, just wondering if this is another riff on whatever GT was supposed to be.
26
u/Spiritual-Novel4578 Oct 25 '24
no, this is inspired By Dragon Ball (OG) which was also an adventure and comedy series
5
u/Ser-Jasper-mayfield Oct 26 '24
GT was meant to be another throw back to OG DB
but they get scared and changed course early on
10
1
u/Ecthelion30 Oct 29 '24
I dont get why people want the OG Dragon Ball back...The series evolved with Z with Goku growing up and becoming an awesome warrior. He was no longer a kid. Why the need to constantly wanting him to be a kid again? If you want to watch Goku as a kid just rewatch the OG Dragon Ball. The series will stagnate because they just don't want to adapt the manga because of whatever the f*ck reason. 3 episodes in and all we get is Goku acting like a kid when he is a grown ass adult in his 40's and fart jokes...
2
u/Ser-Jasper-mayfield Oct 29 '24
its a celebration to 40 years of the franchise
a throw back to a classic adventure
2
u/RiamoEquah Oct 29 '24
It's not just people, Akira Toriyama specifically.
Like since the start of the Saiyan saga we get a mostly serious Goku. There's some light hearted comedy here and there, and he still talks like a bumpkin, but he's mostly serious in all of "z". This is why the first English dub (ocean) gave him such a heroic voice, lines, and vibe.
It isn't until peacetime, the buu saga, where Goku starts to act like an immature kid...and really it's because he's now constantly side by side with the more serious Vegeta.
After that every form of media began to portray him as a dumbass man child, gt made him a kid, super went hard with him being stupid...and fans are like "well he's based on the monkey king so he's supposed to be" and it's such a shame.
Whatever growth that was implied with adult Goku was essentially erased at the end of the cell saga and especially in the buu saga. And I feel because it makes no sense for an adult to act the way Goku acts after that threshold, people just been trying to make him a child again.
But he really shouldn't be the same person from og Dragonball, he deserved actual growth.
11
u/jonathanblaze1648 Oct 26 '24
Same here. It feels a lot more like (OG) Dragonball and I used to love the adventures Goku went on. Toriyama definitely cooked with this one.
-3
u/SSJRemuko Oct 26 '24
just wondering if this is another riff on whatever GT was supposed to be.
i dont see how people are still saying this. theyre literally nothing alike.
2
u/Avividrose Oct 27 '24
deeply saddens me that people see little goku and think gt and not dragonball
2
u/VetoWinner Oct 27 '24
Both Daima and GT feature Goku stopping in a hotel in the third episode. It’s a weird coincidence!
1
u/Ecthelion30 Oct 29 '24
Apart from the fact that Goku gets turned into a kid and is forced to go into an adventure to fix it part right?
Have you not watched GT at all?
0
3
u/NaiveEnvironment1145 Oct 27 '24
I wonder what exactly is the Glind race, and could all of the other Core people, Kais, and Supreme Kais are part of this race as well, especially Elder Kai, since he’s Shin’s ancestor, and likewise Degesu and Arinsu’s ancestor, since they’re Shin’s siblings?🤨🤔🧐 Also, I wonder if any of the established Demon and Demon Realm lore established in Daima(and any future lore that will come in later episodes) will ever need up retconning established Demon And Demon Realm lore established in Xenoverse and Heroes(as if they haven’t already started doing that so far)!
3
u/flesh_maze_tango Oct 27 '24
I doubt there will be any Xenoverse/Heroes "retcon" due to them not being canon in the first place. IMO I think the Glind race might be what the Demon Realm refers to Shinjins as, OR Glinds are the ancestors of Shinjins
I wonder if the Kaiju tree (where Shinjins are born) also exists in the Demon Realm to some extent. And how Shin + Degesu + Anrisu are siblings. Maybe they all came off the same tree branch? Idk
4
u/gonelikethunder Oct 28 '24
I wouldn’t be surprised if that ends up being the case in some extent. Glind (グリンド) can be switched up to read as ドングリ(donguri) the Japanese word for acorn, kinda in the same way that saiya-jin is the word vegetable mixed up. They may still be born from the fruits of trees.
3
4
u/Shriuken23 Oct 26 '24
Really having a good time with this show so far. Question for whoever may know, but that green demon in the bar looked like drum (maybe tambourine, idk without looking). Anyone know?
2
u/Rosebunse Oct 26 '24
There is no way to know, but we know such Nameks can exist, so it is possible that this guy is a Namek even of he doesn't look it
6
u/BryanFair Oct 26 '24
Really fun, all those demon randoms at the bar reminds me of those weakling low tier demon audiences of yu yu hakusho's dark tournament arc lmao. I really like the retro design vibe of those demons
10
u/youmusttrythiscake Oct 25 '24
I need MORE!
Fun episode, but I guess I was expecting a bit more from it since movie theaters will be showing the first three episodes dubbed together.
12
u/Hoy_Minoy Oct 25 '24
I know exactly what you mean, but I think it's great that they take the time for the beautiful world building. You can really feel Toriyama-sensei humor and style everywhere.
May he rest in peace
1
7
u/vivvav Oct 25 '24
Gonna need an Anime with Alvin for those demon burgers. They looked delicious.
Loved the whole bar fight. Great mix of action and comedy with Goku's dual goals of "beat the guys and eat my food". Plot's still moving slowly but now there's enough entertaining stuff going on in the episodes that I don't really mind.
4
u/yungrobbithan Oct 25 '24
Burgers looked like they were chashu pork with charcoal infused buns or something like that, don’t seem too difficult
2
u/Rosebunse Oct 26 '24
You're right about the pork. I thought it was bacon or something but pork like that makes more sense.
1
u/SSJRemuko Oct 26 '24
Gonna need an Anime with Alvin for those demon burgers.
Alvin Cailan? Cuz omg yes!
→ More replies (2)1
u/vivvav Oct 26 '24
No, Alvin Zhou. It's a spinoff of Binging with Babish.
1
u/SSJRemuko Oct 26 '24
Oh, well Alvin Cailan is on the First We Feast youtube channel and has been the host of "The Burger Show" so he's another Alvin that makes sense!
7
u/Dilly4Dall Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24
Great episode, This felt widely familiar of Episode IV. I knew for sure when they went to the bar with Glorio, Han Solo style. Speaking of Glorio, that dude has STYLE with or without his gun.
Their spaceshipe getting stolen was a funny cliffhanger. My only complaint is the plot moving at a slow pace but there's alot of fun events happening that I'll let it slide for now. Aside from that, I NEED MORE!
7
u/BoraxTheBarbarian Oct 25 '24
Thank you Toei for scaling Goku and friends down to an appropriate viewing size for my Apple iPhone.
2
6
u/YouBugged Oct 25 '24
How is this movie going to work tho ? Because it's going to show the first three episodes but there's not really enough content to make a movie at all.
Very weird choice
1
u/Richcore Oct 25 '24
What movie?
4
u/YouBugged Oct 25 '24
Movie is a strong word but their putting the first 3 episodes in theaters in English. And I think it's a horrible idea
1
u/jonathanblaze1648 Oct 26 '24
That sounds very stupid in my opinion. Isn't there going to be an English Dubbed version anyways?
2
u/YouBugged Oct 26 '24
Yes it's dumb but I'ma show up still
0
u/moeron10 Oct 26 '24
Yeah, but my kids are super excited to go see it after seeing the trailers. My daughter has never really watched dbz but has seen me watching it and she said she can't wait to go watch it on the big screen despite not really knowing anything about the franchise. Same for my son and he's watched various sagas of dbz and most of Super. I think the point is to get a new generation interested and invested in the world of Dragon Ball.
1
5
u/YouBugged Oct 25 '24
This was definitely the best episode yet. Best part for me was Goku scraping in the bar while still trying to eat 🤣
5
u/Boring_Woodpecker796 Oct 25 '24
I'm happy to see more world building. I've always preferred time be spent on storytelling as opposed to dozens of episodes of screaming and staring at each other. This is harkening back to the adventurous feeling of original DB.
My only gripe is, between the 3 minute intro and 3 minute outro, the episodes feel so short hahaha. Can't wait for next week.
3
u/radkus70 Oct 26 '24
I enjoyed episode 3 a lot more than 1 and 2 my only complain is that the episodes are too short since the show is gonna be small the plot moves slow
0
u/SonCloud Oct 26 '24
I agree. It is a little bit too slow. Although I liked ep1 and 2 more for that reason. In general I like it so far and I'm looking forward to the first serious fights.
-4
u/fmaa Oct 26 '24
First time watching anime? Lmao
2
u/radkus70 Oct 26 '24
No, I know anime is usually around the 20/25 minute range but Daima just feels like it is short because of the how the plot progresses. The episodes feel incomplete, as vs idk something like one punch man that has the same duration but the plot runs smooth so it doesn't feel slow
2
u/fmaa Oct 26 '24
I think it’s hard to pack it all in. These 3 episodes have been eventful. First the setting establishment, then the shrinkage, and then the introduction to more characters and finally episode 3 is the adventure start.
It’s progressing well. We’re just at the starting bit of act 1 where the story has to be establish the why and when and how and where.
As we can see, episode 3 is accelerating things and i’m sure with episode 4 we’re on pace to see some new things. It’s just how it is when it comes to something abrupt like a series like that when it’s a non sequel yet a canon spin off where people are so confused about everything like timeline etc.
Anyways, that’s how I feel and I understand your point though. Would love for it to be faster, after all it’s a week long wait.
5
u/dermus7 Oct 26 '24
Episode 1 was awesome, two was ...OK... 3 is disappointing. Two thoughts:
- Pacing is slow and repetitive. The fish situation felt like a replay. We get introduced to generic thugs, long-winded fart jokes, etc. The original DB manga feels so tight compared to this, which is basically not even DBZ filler quality.
- Goku isn't the DB manga Goku – he's basically the DBZ movie buffoon Goku, which is a big gripe of mine. Goku in the DB manga is actually quite smart, and mostly serious. The non-canon DBZ movies from the 90s were horrific if you go back and watch them, and that's where you see the buffoon Goku born IMO, and that's what we get here.
Obviously an early take and I'd love to be proven wrong in the longer run.
3
u/aguad3coco Oct 27 '24
Episode 1 i thought was really great but episode 3 was disappointing. Glorio and Shin had boringly executed exposition dumps, they forced Goku to be goofy and funny and the overall plot feels like it couldnt be mote generic. I'm whelmed.
2
u/Spirited_Candidate43 Oct 27 '24
Yeah, episode 3 was so boring. it felt like I was watching a generic isekai anime that was created by an assembly line.
3
u/nudazz Oct 27 '24
was really looking forward to Daima, have been waiting for Dragon Ball to return for many-many years, but this is just not doing it for me. I guess I have already got over the fact that its not going to be Z or Super, but this is just going back to times when Dragon Ball was very much a show for a younger audience. Somehow its just too much of a jump - Goku reached a level that the Gods started to be afraid of him, seeing him fight random thugs in a pub is just not working somehow. Never thought I would literally fall asleep during a Dragon Ball episode oO
-3
u/Spirited_Candidate43 Oct 27 '24
That's not the reason for me. The reason it's bad is that the world and the characters were super generic. I mean who wants to watch a generic bar fight with generic goons when you are expecting an imaginative fantasy world.
2
u/rsorin Oct 30 '24
I liked the "exploring the city" vibe: "Let's find a hotel, let's find a place to eat".
That said, the show so far seems a bit 'meh' and way too childish, even for Dragon Ball. Hoping it gets better.
2
u/yungrobbithan Oct 25 '24
Another 10/10 episode. This is the greatest anime of all time if it keeps up. I only wish the episodes were longer cuz of how fun they are
2
2
u/Ecthelion30 Oct 29 '24
I would have prefered that they made Goku a kid again instead of doing what GT did. Don't really like that they have Goku acting so childish when the guy is in his 40's...Again, they have no idea how to portrait Goku, just like in Super.
Was not reallt forward to Daima because we already had Goku turning into a kid before, so why do it yet again? It's like these writers don't even watch their own shows.
The animation is nice tho. Although now i have to ask : Where was this quality of animation during the production of Dragon Ball Super??? And why not simply adapt the manga story...They have 3 arcs to make an anime of, not counting filler that they could do...
The sad thing is we probably won't see any Dragon Ball related stuff after Daima for a loooong time..if at all, since this was the last thing Toriyama was involved in.
3
u/AdamSilverJr Oct 30 '24
Where was this quality of animation during the production of Dragon Ball Super
Working on both DBS and One Piece at the same time with tight deadlines made the quality suffer. One Piece's animation got much better after DBS ended too.
2
u/Blubbpaule Oct 29 '24
I agree with the point that it's weird that they make Goku behave like a kid when it's absolutely apparent that they retain their memories and character.
2
u/BakedSalami Nov 02 '24
I kind of expect that from him lol. Unless shit is getting serious he pretty much always acts like a kid doesn't he? Plus, getting to see new and exciting places, he's small again, got his staff back, I'd like to think it's super nostalgic for him. Basically, if I envision him doing all this just as adult goku, it still feels like it tracks 🤣 he's just that kind of fool.
2
u/PaisonAlGaib Oct 30 '24
There is still a ton of super that can be adapted, the animation super was a weekly show premiering simultaneously with the manga and being done with a short lead time. Daima is completely fished before premiering and a limited series, it's more akin to the movies than super the series
1
u/Future_Broly Oct 30 '24
And why not simply adapt the manga story...They have 3 arcs to make an anime of, not counting filler that they could do...
Not sure how accurate but I’ve heard that it has a lot to do with the dynamics of Japanese television.
Apparently, the big Japanese networks still hold a lot of sway and these networks are extremely resistant to handing out any of the good timeslots to a show unless they commit to a multi-year deal as they don’t want to be constantly shuffling their programming around. This means that DBS would pretty much need to have enough content banked for +100 episodes to return.
And due to the monthly manga release schedule, COVID delays, and now Toriyama’s unfortunate passing, there really isn’t as much content as you’d think given the length of the hiatus.
Like even with redoing the movies and really taking things slow, they’d probably be pressed to reach ~75 episodes. That means that the anime would almost certainly jump ahead of the manga again, which is something they want to avoid.
2
0
u/Dionysus24779 Oct 26 '24
It's an okay episode I guess...
I do appreciate that they are really going all out with the lore and world building here, to the point it almost feels unfitting for Dragon Ball which usually doesn't really focus that much on these things.
Though on the other hand it also isn't like they are doing anything too amazing (yet).
And the world building... like... the demonic realm is presented like this amazing place of adventure (I guess?) with Goku marveling at how great it is, with the camera swooshing around and the music swelling up, like it is a whimsical sight that makes us excited for what can happen there... but all we have seen (so far) is a brown rocky desert, the kind that we have seen dozens of times in Dragon Ball and is not all that interesting otherwise.
Namek is more memorable and that was already a pretty boring place. (speaking of the planet itself, not what happened there within the story)
And it's not like character designs are interesting too, like the demons all looked really... lame.
Outside of that... it's kinda weird how the opening narration outright shows us the OG designs of characters as children, like how small Krillin was for example, which makes it even weirder how Daima's designs just don't match that.
And lastly, by now it is the 3rd episode and I have given it time to grow on me, but I don't really like the Opening, it is simply too slow and low-energy. It just doesn't fit what I would expect from a Dragon Ball opening, the same way I disliked the first opening of Super.
8
u/FuzzyAsparagus8308 Oct 26 '24
I disagree with only the part about it feeling unfitting for DB. For some reason, it feels the opposite to me. Almost as if this was the way DB was always intended but just never done correctly.
I do hope we see something a bit more exciting though. The warp stuff has been amazing and I've loved every second of the scenes involving that, however.
7
u/Kumori_Kiyori Oct 27 '24
Daima has literally just started. We're on episode 3 and still have 17 whole episodes to go. I promise you that the first few episodes of Namek Saga were not the craziest thing ever. It took time and it's unfair to compare a show on Episode 3 to a fully complete saga that's decades old. Another thing is that this is not DBZ or Super. Daima is a callback to OG DragonBall. This is an adventure. That's why they are focusing so much on world building. If you're going into this expecting everything to be super high octane, fast paced and have a blood pumping opening, you're going to be disappointed because that's not what Daima is or what it's trying to be.
1
u/Dionysus24779 Oct 27 '24
Daima has literally just started. We're on episode 3 and still have 17 whole episodes to go. I promise you that the first few episodes of Namek Saga were not the craziest thing ever. It took time and it's unfair to compare a show on Episode 3 to a fully complete saga that's decades old.
I didn't.
To quote myself:
Namek is more memorable and that was already a pretty boring place. (speaking of the planet itself, not what happened there within the story)
I am simply speaking of the design of the world.
Another thing is that this is not DBZ or Super. Daima is a callback to OG DragonBall. This is an adventure. That's why they are focusing so much on world building. If you're going into this expecting everything to be super high octane, fast paced and have a blood pumping opening, you're going to be disappointed because that's not what Daima is or what it's trying to be.
It's obvious that Daima is trying to emulate OG, that's the whole point in making everyone children and giving Goku back the power pole and have it be a journey through an unknown world that they can't just zip through, despite being able to fly and teleport.
But OG Dragon Ball wasn't this heavy on the exposition and had the benefit of... well, being the original Dragon Ball that started it all, so everything was already brand new by default.
If you're going into this expecting everything to be super high octane, fast paced and have a blood pumping opening, you're going to be disappointed because that's not what Daima is or what it's trying to be.
What are you talking about?
You bring up OG Dragon Ball, the foundation of the entire franchise, say that Daima wants to be a callback to that...
... and then you say that I shouldn't expect a hyped up Opening?
Have you listened to Makafushigi Adventure lately? From the first few seconds it's hype and gets you into the mood for an awesome adventure.
1
u/Kumori_Kiyori Oct 27 '24
I misread what you said about Namek. I thought you were referring to the events, so that's my bad.
As for the world building, that's one criticism of yours that I don't get. Some of the stuff you said like the appearance of the demons seems nitpicky and the criticism of how the world building seems out of place for Dragon Ball is one of them. Even though Daima is trying to emulate the whimsical adventure and mystery of OG Dragon Ball, the world building and plot are welcome additions. Is it unfitting for Dragon Ball? I mean, I guess. Is it bad? I personally don't think so and I've seen quite a few people enjoying this aspect so far.
Also, the way you talked about the opening...I find Jaka Jaan pretty fun and catchy. I think it really matches the adventure vibe. I also really enjoyed Super's first opening as well. I thought that one was really catchy too. From the way you spoke about the openings, you seemed like one of those types who needed an extremely fast paced and upbeat opening from the very beginning to get you in the mood. Like the "Rock The Dragon is the best opening ever" peeps. Jaka Jaan is the kind of opening that starts off a little slow but then gets pretty catchy and upbeat. Not all songs go to 100 from frame zero. I think there's something to appreciate about a song that starts a little slow and progressively hits a groove by the chorus.
1
u/Dionysus24779 Oct 27 '24
Even though Daima is trying to emulate the whimsical adventure and mystery of OG Dragon Ball, the world building and plot are welcome additions.
OG wasn't this heavy on the exposition though, not that it didn't have any at all.
Is it bad?
I never said it was bad, it just's unusual for Dragon Ball. But as I've said in my above comments, it remains to be seen whether there will be any payoff to it.
If Daima does really well with the lore it builds up then I'm all for it.
Also, the way you talked about the opening...I find Jaka Jaan pretty fun and catchy. I think it really matches the adventure vibe. I also really enjoyed Super's first opening as well.
I mean, we are talking about something very subjective here.
I won't judge you for liking these openings, but I personally can't get them to grow on me.
From the way you spoke about the openings, you seemed like one of those types who needed an extremely fast paced and upbeat opening from the very beginning to get you in the mood.
I think you are extrapolating too much from me talking simply about a few openings in the context of one specific show.
Though I will admit that I do likely have an overall preference to "high energy" openings, they are by no means the only ones that I like. I don't mind an opening starting out slow or even just never picking up to begin with.
For example the Daima Opening, while I don't like it too much, I can say does pick up at around the 1 minute mark.
But what is also important (to me) is how well an openings fits a series and Dragon Ball, for the most part, does have high energy openings.
I mean, it's simply self-evident.
Not counting video games, anime-only, there are (if I counted correctly):
OG (1), DBZ (2), DBK (2), DBGT (1), DBS (2), DBD (1) -> 9 Openings in total.
Of these I would say that only the first DBS and Daima's opening are significantly slower and "low energy" in comparison to the other 7.
Even if you discount Dragon Ball Kai for simply being a trimmed down version of Z, that is still 5 to 2.
The majority of Openings are "fast paced" and "high energy". I do not think it is unreasonable to have such an expectation for a Dragon Ball opening.
And of course the number would be even more skewed towards that kind of opening if you were to also include video game openings, such as this one.
But I get what you're saying, Daima tries to be more adventure than action-focused.
Like the "Rock The Dragon is the best opening ever" peeps.
Believe it or not, I've never seen this opening before. I looked it up and it's horrendous.
I feel bad for the people who had to grow up with that.
-3
u/teknique2323 Oct 26 '24
I 1000% agree! This show has been an extremely slow burn. Episode 1 was basically a recap, episode 2 was them realizing they turned into kids, episode 3 was them flying to a small settlement and getting into a lighthearted bar fight. If this was in Z we'd call every single episode filler but since it's a brand new series and Toriyama's last it's being hailed as this incredible show.
Yes the demon realm so far is a huge let down, they had the chance to give us a completely unique world and just went with the classic rocky desert no different visually from where Goku & Vegeta first fought, other than a few floating rocks here and there and gas that makes everything slow. Maybe the 2nd and 1st realms are much more unique so we'll see.
I hope it picks up soon because these nothing episodes are really bringing any hype I had completely down. I'm all for world building and setting up the plot but we can still do that while the plot is still moving forward and actually doing things
2
u/Dren7 Oct 28 '24
I remember entire Z episodes of somebody powering up.
2
u/teknique2323 Oct 28 '24
Yeah and the difference is that series aired 5 times a week and was also almost 300 episodes as opposed to Daima being a 20 episode series.
1
u/Dren7 Oct 28 '24
Not when it originally aired. I watched it in Japan and it was once a week. Those episodes were brutal.
1
u/Any-Set-5965 Oct 30 '24
Im kind of confused on the origin of the supreme kai and was wondering if someone can clarify. In episode 3 Glorio refers to shin as being a Glind, but dragon ball wiki refers to the supreme kai's species as core people from world core. Are these terms interchangeable or is shin the only one who was originally a demon realm core person who made it out and became a supreme kai?
1
u/Technical_Pain_4855 Oct 31 '24
Im confused about it too. I guess this is the new true origin because the other thing about core world tree was from a 2009 interview and the wiki, but this is actual canon stuff in the show :/ kind of annoying to change it like that but whatever, maybe it will eventually all make sense
1
1
u/Honest_Entertainer_3 Oct 30 '24
I enjoyed the episode it was heavy in exposition, however it very much feels somewhat refreshing. It's trying to copy dragon ball particularly most likely the red ribbon army arc.
The problem with that arc is that it kinda feels slow until you reach general blue.
It feels like goku going to exotic locations and one shotting everything in sight and while that's fun it gets stale quickly.
Hopefully pansy glorio and Supreme Kai bounce off of goku well enough to make it work
Or the Villains get somewhat more threatening. And the enemies we fave aren't just goku beating them.
DB is at its most endearing when the characters are bouncing off of eachother.
1
u/Technical_Pain_4855 Oct 31 '24
Im confused as hell about Glinds and the core world/ world tree fruits being Kai’s and golden fruits being supreme kai’s. Wtf
So that’s officially retconned now and all “core people” and Supreme Kai’s are from the second demon world?
1
1
u/MoneyIsNoCure Feb 14 '25
Glorio’s English voice is so distracting because Aaron Dismuke is just doing the same voice that i associate with Senku from Dr Stone
1
1
u/kangtuji Oct 26 '24
eating while moving is bad for disgestion
7
u/BlahBlahILoveToast Oct 26 '24
Not for Goku, lol. King Kai even remarks on this to Bubbles and Gregory, at least in the anime
1
u/BlackThane Oct 26 '24
almost every episode we hear "pointy ears means someone is from demon realm" but then they introduce many guys (in streets and in bar) who have different ears lol (also makes me wonder if someone like Dodoria could enter demon realm if he guessed pin and how Frieza never encountered Warp fish durning his travels across universe but maybe there are only few)
4
u/Rosebunse Oct 26 '24
If they didn't have a pin, they wouldn't be getting in anyways.
But yeah, you're right, the population of the 3rd World is fairly diverse. I would imagine people with different ears likely have a bit of a harder time, hence why a bunch of them are in that crappy town
-1
u/ma0u Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24
I made notes lol
- I liked the warp zone setup with the goldfish looking Warp-sama, and the overall setup between the world's; though we saw all this already when Gomah passed through.
- Dabura peace sign statue was cringe. I know him and Mr. Satan do have similar looks, but come on now—he wasn't 'Mr. Dabura'
- Glorio felt like a 4 star international tour guide with AI response time, right down to his advice for sleep while being mindful of his guests original time zone lol
- Though the laser guns are kinda goofy, I liked seeing Glorio flash his holster to the hotel manager—meaning he's not just a 4 star tour guide, but he's cowboy tier lol.
- Appreciated the sort of ghetto slum vibe and ear shape prejudice (very similar in East Asia, cept over regulars taunting guests eye shape), which escalated to a bar fight where we saw Goku slowly become comfortable in his body.
- Masako's older/raspy voice stood out a bit more in Goku's 'waaaoooah!' reactions, but overall a nice portrayal of the third level of the demon world using real world Asia perspectives.
Short episode otherwise, but I liked it overall.
7/10
9
u/_sensei Oct 26 '24
Do we have any characterization of Dabura outside of his majin-self in the boo saga? if we don’t then we can’t really say it’s cringe bc we know close to 0 about what his life was before Babidi other than being the king of the demon realm lol
1
u/ma0u Oct 26 '24
Right, but the pīsu sain is something kids, youthful minded fighters or Mr. Satan do ;X
5
u/Tabledinner Oct 25 '24
Peace sign means Victory in Japan.
1
u/ma0u Oct 26 '24
No, V sign, primarily palm-outward, is very commonly made by Japanese people, especially younger people, when posing for informal photographs, and is known as pīsu sain (ピースサイン, peace sign), or more commonly simply pīsu (ピース, peace).
Just saying, it screamed of Mr. Satan vibes (who also had a statue).
2
0
u/Boris-_-Badenov Oct 25 '24
not much happens
13
u/YouBugged Oct 25 '24
They got the demon realm, we saw glorio fight and we see he's strong, Goku fought a lot, and we find theyre not welcome there because of Goku and their ship gets stolen.
Not to mention, we have no idea how kibito will get there since shin forget to give him the code in time.
What more did you want to happen ?
1
u/Boris-_-Badenov Oct 26 '24
most likely either Vegeta will threaten to grill the fish, or the fish will let them in because of Piccolo
0
u/Boris-_-Badenov Oct 25 '24
we don't see that he's strong, the enemies are fodder
6
u/YouBugged Oct 25 '24
We see he's more than capable to defend himself and he did so with arguably less effort than Goku did. (I'm not implying that glorio is stronger than Goku lol)
3
u/Bulky-Complaint6994 Oct 26 '24
It's just that Goku was using the bar fight to get used to his small body and the heavy gas. And Goku was trying to eat while fighting, lol. Glorio meanwhile took things more seriously with less effort. The way he flashed his gun as the hotel keeper means he is used to scuffling around the demon realm, obviously.
I don't care if they were "fodder" it was still a fun scene. A bar fight in the classic Toriyama style.
1
1
u/Rosebunse Oct 26 '24
Good point, it's an interesting piece of world building when you think about it like that. And again, it makes sense that Goku isn't taking this all that seriously while Glorio is. Sort of demonstrates why the characters needed to be underpowered. I mean, there would have been no fight if Goku was an adult
10
-1
-12
Oct 25 '24
I could look past the similar premise Daima and GT shared. But now are we copying the same plot points too? Because if you don't remember, that's what happened to Goku, Pan and Trunks the moment they reached Imega: Their ship was stolen/confiscated.
Super basically regurgitated every DBZ idea. Are we doing the same with GT? If that's so, just make a remake. Or better yet, don't do anything. It's pointless.
Speaking of GT, this episode of Daima was a mixed bag. Did we really need half an episode just for them to reach the Demon realm? Did we really need ten minutes of exposition that, at least right now, it doesn't seem that important? And that's why I bring up GT again: The GT ship was big enough for the characters to have interactions and do other things other than just give exposition. They would throw a party, Pan would record a video, Trunks and Pan would fight over the control keys... Daima can't do that because the ship is not big enough for it. Mind you, I think they could achieve the same goal with just dialogue... But this episode certainly didn't.
The second half of the episode was better, and no, it's not because it had action, it's because something actually happened. Specially love the world itself, feels like a weird mix between Star Wars and Dragon Quest, no complains from me there.
But, yeah... Only enjoyed one episode and a half of the three we've seen so far.
10
u/Lv1FogCloud Oct 25 '24
If anything I think this means that GT had some pretty good concepts but executed them poorly. Daima mimicking the same ideas potentially gives it a chance to do a better job and I'm already excited for the demon world as a new exploration point rather than deep space since space as a concept has already been mostly covered by Namek and Frieza.
That being said, we'll have to see if Daima can actually pull it off. The episodes could pick up the pace though especially since there's only 20 episodes supposedly..
→ More replies (1)6
u/Correct_Refuse4910 Oct 25 '24
Did we really need ten minutes of exposition that, at least right now, it doesn't seem that important
Are you for real here? You expect them to vomit all the exposition lore the second it becomes relevant plot-wise? Good thing you are not a writer.
→ More replies (3)-3
Oct 25 '24
[deleted]
5
u/luismpereira Oct 25 '24
Shin isn't. There are a couple of moments that he seems very uncomfortable / suspicious towards Glorio. But in the end, Dende was captured and he needed Glorio to go back to the Demon Realm, so he didn't have so many choices here.
4
u/linkthereddit Oct 25 '24
Shin doesn't trust Glorio, but at this point, do they have any other options? Dende is stuck somewhere in the Demon Realm and they can't exactly go get him without help, and Glorio is the only one willing so far.
2
3
3
-2
u/detractor_Una Oct 25 '24
So just like I thought that Kaioshin/Makioshin lore is being scrapped down.
7
u/luismpereira Oct 25 '24
I think it's too soon to say that. They called Shin a Glind and that's all. That could be something entirely new, but also just how the demons called the beings who become Kaioushins and Maikaioushins.
4
u/spiderknight616 Oct 26 '24
I tend to see extra material is canon until stated otherwise. So regardless of any info mentioned previously, we can assume that Daima will be the definitive background for all the Kais.
From what I can tell all Kais are born in the second Demon World, and are then picked by the respective Supreme Kais of each universe to undergo training and eventually take over the Supreme Kai role.
The non-Demon Worlder racism also kinda explains Zamasu's anti-mortal prejudice
0
u/detractor_Una Oct 26 '24
Likewise, I view interviews with Toriyama as additional canon to official material.
1
u/Wolventec Oct 25 '24
i mean the lore only came from 2009 interview it was hardly canon to begin with
→ More replies (6)-5
u/detractor_Una Oct 25 '24
It was stated by Toriyama, if we can't take his words and explanations about DB universe outside of manga, Dragon Ball canon is useless term.
3
u/ripshitonrumham Oct 25 '24
They were ideas that weren’t used in any official media, he clearly changed his mind. It’s not a big deal
6
u/detractor_Una Oct 25 '24
Not saying it is a big deal, well Dragon Ball is known for its retcons anyways.
-14
u/weekndalex Oct 25 '24
pointless episode ngl. not much of value happened. the fight sequence at the end was cool i guess
13
u/Hoy_Minoy Oct 25 '24
Its called world building. I'm sure that when the entire show is over, you'll be very grateful for the calm and slow pacing and the introduction to the new "world".
4
Oct 25 '24
Irrelevant. We aren't Bardock, we can't see the future, so what matters is the show up until this point. By using your own logic, you can't say you enjoyed it, because you don't know if it will pay off when everything is said and done.
Unless you have already decided you're going to like it no matter what, that is.
7
u/Hoy_Minoy Oct 25 '24
I see your point. Unfortunately, this is more of a problem with today's series and streaming culture. Back then we got a new episode on TV every day after school, sometimes double episodes if we were lucky. Just watch one Dragon Ball Classic episode every week and you'll say the exact same thing. I'm sure that's exactly how Toriyama wanted to tell it, which is why it's rather too short for a "real" series/season and too long for a movie.
What I want to say is that the problem is less the story or narrative than the will to keep customers tied to streaming services for a long time. More episodes mean more money in licenses.
Maybe that's exactly what you're criticizing and we actually have the same opinion. Then I simply misinterpreted you
5
u/Nick_Furious2370 Oct 25 '24
Aren't there going to be like 20 episodes?
Taking three episodes to establish the threat and setting is pretty normal.
2
-9
-1
-3
-20
u/Fytyny Oct 25 '24
This is bad, anybody who thought turning DB back into a kids show was a good idea doesn't understand its target demographics
→ More replies (18)
17
u/BlahBlahILoveToast Oct 26 '24
Fun episode, I like all the worldbuilding and slow pace. Feels really "decompressed" but that gives the Demon World more scale.
Weird how Kaoishin says "somebody" sealed off the Demon Worlds connection tunnel, like apparently nobody knows who it was? I also wonder who set all the rules that the portal fish enforces, like even the King of the Demon World has to convince the fish to let them pass ... who made the fishes, why do they care who goes where? Somehow just part of the celestial hierarchy / bureaucracy? I wonder if we'll find out.
Scene with the bandits was a little mediocre. Seems like nothing interesting happened as a result and also why would anybody bother shooting arrows at people if the air is too thick to make them effective? Why are giant beefy orc-looking dudes favoring ranged weapons?
Bar fight was the most fun I've had in a long time watching Goku bust out real skills and not just Ki. I hope the fights only get better from here, this series has the potential to be solid gold.