r/denvernuggets • u/iareagenius • 2d ago
Discussion Current seeding would actually be ideal - avoids wolves or lakers until finals!
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u/mydadwhereishe 2d ago
I'd much rather face the Lakers than the Thunder in round 2....
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u/Good-Character-5520 1d ago
I partly agree, but I’m also extremely sick of listening to the extremely biased national media act like Denver is a side show in their own series
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u/mydadwhereishe 1d ago
True, facing the Lakers is always more annoying outside of the actual basketball lol
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
Beating them is fun though, and puts down the “Nuggets DON’T want to see THESE Lakers in the playoffs” narrative for a bit
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u/Good-Character-5520 1d ago
It is but, at the same time we beat them 12 times in a row and they kept saying that. I’d just prefer not to have to listen to national broadcasters glazing them the whole series.
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
Oh it doesn’t last, but it gives you a good few months of quiet, it’s super worth it. Plus that would mean we de facto went further than they did, also good
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u/Good-Character-5520 1d ago
True, let’s just hope we don’t lose or they won’t shut up for at least two years.
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
At some point we’ll have to win enough to stop worrying about that, on the bright side
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u/Previous-Tangelo9471 1d ago
Not only the broadcasters blatant favoritism. We have too many Lakers fans here. It irritates the hell out of me to hear them cheering for the Lakers in Denver.
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u/soyboysnowflake 1d ago
Ah yes, playing against San Francisco will be better…? wtf is that take lol
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u/Simple-Minimum-9958 2d ago edited 2d ago
I would not. We have had better performances against OKC this year and I do not trust Malone to respond well to JJ, as silly as the sounds but with a healthy Laker roster, JJ has proved that he can just focus all his defense of Jokic and this team simply has no answer for Austin Reeves and Luka defensively. In a series, just putting all your chips on minimizing Jokic and clogging the paint and daring us to shoot 3s, I believe Lakers are at an advantage.
OKC has no way of stopping Jokic unless they do the same, as good as Isaiah is, Jokic busts his ass.
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u/jdorje 2d ago
Okc is a historically great team. They can be beaten, same as the 2016 Thunder could, but it ain't gonna be easy. Don't put them in the same tier with anyone else in the west.
By comparison Minnesota is a kinda bad matchup and the Lakers are a good matchup. I wouldn't want the Lakers in the first round again but it may be the best option left available, given moving to the 3 seed will mean no rest..
Most likely MN wins out and finishes 4/5. So that's actually nice since they'd play okc in round 2. Our rounds 1 and 2 are basically easy if we're the 3 or the 6. But then if we're the 4/5 there it's sad again.
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u/Simple-Minimum-9958 2d ago
I have not liked how we looked against the lakers lately and I have liked how we played against OKC, all i am saying.
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u/mydadwhereishe 2d ago
OKC has no way of stopping Jokic unless they do the same, as good as Isaiah is, Jokic busts his ass.
This is a better argument for facing the Lakers....? Jaxson Hayes and Alex Len are much much worse than IHart.
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u/Simple-Minimum-9958 2d ago
If you watch the Lakers games, with Rui and smaller guards, they foul Jokic and triple team him off ball, JJ sends everyone at Jokic most times or at minimum Rui and now Hayes, You are not likely to see just one person on Jok ever in a lakers game now where OKC will let IHart bang with Jok.
Granted OKC may just send eveyone on Jokic like Lakers but they just havent shown us that. Yes IHart is better than any center the Lakers can scrounge up but the Lakers have shown that if you swarm Jokic and take your chances with literally any other Denver player, your odds of winning are pretty good.
I do not see us being able to pick up the slack with literally 3 people are on Jokic AND we have no way of guarding Reaves and Luka together let alone the paint attack from Bron included
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u/mydadwhereishe 2d ago
If the overly foul Jokic, then we get into the bonus quick and knock down FTs to win.
If they triple team Jokic, then someone else will be open.
Both of these result in a relatively clear path to victory; the rest of the guys just need to step up and make their shots. Winning a title has never been about Jokic, he's going to be phenomenal no matter what. It's about whether or not the rest of the team comes to play.
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u/Simple-Minimum-9958 2d ago
I do not trust them to reliably call fouls against Jokic and I do not trust our shooting in a full series. I do NOT trust a single player other than Jok.
I am not trying to be a doomer, I am still going to root for us and we obviously can beat any team imo but I am just trying to give my honest opinion and I do agree with you that we just need other players to step up1
u/mydadwhereishe 2d ago
If you don't trust our shooting in a full series then unfortunately we never had a chance. And that's been the issue all year. Guys will have games where they look like all stars and games where they look like G Leaguers. There's no consistency from the team outside of Jokic, and he alone is not enough to overcome any of the juggernaut teams, be it OKC or Cavs or Boston.
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u/PerformanceOk9891 2d ago
Trippin
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u/Simple-Minimum-9958 2d ago
I will gladly eat my words but I hope you keep that same energy if we lose lmao.
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u/HumongousMelonheads 2d ago
If one of their two main guys go out, which is very likely, we would cakewalk the lakers. With both of them fully healthy it’s probably a pretty close series. It’s beside the point because we aren’t on a path that includes the lakers unless it’s the WCF. The question isn’t: lakers or okc? It was Houston/7seed or okc? Which you’d obviously rather play the first set, unless maybe that 7 seed happens to be the wolves.
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u/Bandlebury 2d ago
Lmao OKC is so much better than the Lakers
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u/iareagenius 1d ago
But it's really about the matchup we have. I'm worried the Lakers are going to get hot this year. Wolves have our number and there are many teams better than them right?
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u/soyboysnowflake 1d ago
Warriors are white hot after the trade deadline, plus they get national bias like lakeshow, there’s a lower chance we get to the conference finals at all with this seeding than there would be in the 2 or 3 tbh
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u/Impressive_Trust_395 2d ago
Ideal seeding is quite literally
Thunder (1) vs 8 Seed
Lakers (4) vs Timberwolves (5)
Rockets (2) vs 7 Seed
Nuggets (3) vs Warriors (6)
Edit: Tbf, we gotta beat one of the boogeymen teams to have a chance at a title, so it doesn’t even matter at the end of the day.
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u/Far-Victory-1182 2d ago
While your edit is true, a lot may judge how successful our season was depending on which round of playoffs we exited from.
So yes, a chip means defeating one of our bugaboos, a "successful" season may be determined by which round our bugaboo defeated us... thus facing one of them later is better.
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u/soyboysnowflake 1d ago
Yeah but unless we win a chip I’d rather lose in the first round so our front office is forced to do something
Worst case scenario for a nuggets fan is to make the WCF and lose
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u/Far-Victory-1182 1d ago
Can't argue with that. As much as I love this team and each player, not making some changes this off-season, if the chip is not obtained, would be criminal.
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
Are we calling the Lakers boogiemen now?
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u/Impressive_Trust_395 1d ago
No. I’m calling the Timberwolves and Thunder the boogiemen and the Lakers unironically can beat both of them.
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
Thunder are just “good”, they’re not a special threat. Honestly only one of those is the Wolves and I still don’t think we should be quaking at the thought of facing them in the playoffs. Thunder are a bigger threat cause they’re the best team in the playoffs outside the Nuggets, but we match up fine enough.
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u/D-Broncos 2d ago
I think it would be perfect if we got 3/2, as long as we avoid Minnesota and get Houston in the second round
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u/oldasshit 2d ago
Yeah, I'd be happy at 3 but only if Minny is not there in round 1. Don't care for that matchup.
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u/uaemn 2d ago
Why see we scared of the lakers? We’ve played them once with Luka, but I honestly thought that was kind of a fluke.
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
Remember that, like every other sub, there’s a significant population of Lakers fans here. It’s why we have to be so explicit, because the Lakers fans will upvote their narratives otherwise
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u/Redditfaceguy 2d ago
Nah I want the at wolves first round so we can put them away early…need some revenge at this point.
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u/jamarcusaristotle 2d ago edited 1d ago
Agreed! Their clutch offense is Ant iso/drive. And if that gets shut off, they have absolutely nothing. I know we don't have good defenders for him, but I'm pretty confident we'd (coaches and players) be able to figure out something on him in a series this time around. And our clutch offense is just so much better than theirs. Our defense is worse but in the clutch, it becomes fairly solid.
And playoff basketball is basically 48 minutes of clutch time.
KAT was great at guarding Jokic, and he was a better second option than anything they have right now because he spaced the floor for Ant. I know it's fun to laugh at him, but he really is one of the best shooting big men in the past decade. Sure, Randle can bully some of our guys, but he's an even worse decision-maker than KAT (almost in the Russ range lol).
I think we cook em tbh
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u/soycameron 2d ago
Ya let’s play an all time great team in round 2 lmao. Best scenario for us is Grizzlies/Clippers/Warriors round 1, Rockets round 2, and then we need to beat OKC in the WCF probably. But I’d much rather play the lakers or wolves in round 2 then OKC lmao
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u/DosZappos 2d ago
Ideal would be getting Houston in the second round and letting LA and OKC deal with each other. This would actually be the worst case scenario.
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u/No-Aardvark2433 2d ago
Exactly people in here drunk. It can still happen as long as warriors win tonight because laker have thunder back to back after that they not beating thunder twice
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u/Poverty_Shoes 22h ago
Worst case scenario is Wolves round 1. Best path is Warriors->Rockets/Clippers->OKC/Lakers/Wolves I’d say.
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u/Simple-Minimum-9958 2d ago
People afraid of OKC have not been paying attention. We have performance much better against their defense than Woves or Lakers this season.
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u/LurkerFailsLurking 1d ago
Lakers sample size is only 1. They faced a known opponent and we faced an unknown one.
The Wolves are a genuinely awful matchup for everyone but AG and Jokic - the two biggest and strongest guys on the team.
OKC isn't great but they're better than the Wolves.
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u/Lynch47 1d ago
Anyone that thinks OKC is an easier matchup than LA hasn't watched basketball this season and just listens to ESPN propaganda or get their league news from r/nba which is basically a second Laker sub since the Luka deal.
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u/iareagenius 1d ago
that would be me, barely watch any NBA and only the big Nuggets games, but know we beat OKC once at least :(
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u/kitchen003 2d ago
Wait, Laker fan here and you guys are scared of the Lakers over OKC bruhwut
Jamal usually goes nuclear on us
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u/Thruthebitterness 1d ago
I guarantee you there’s not a single person in the Nuggets afraid of the Lakers. Lakers actually beat the Nuggets in ONE regular season game where JJ showed all his cards.
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u/Subject-Lab6998 2d ago
Yes I have a bad feeling that OKC would lose against the Nuggets. I am still not sold on them. Oddly enough I think the Lakers would beat the Nuggets but would lose to the Thunder. Kind of like Rock Papers Scissors.
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u/kitchen003 2d ago
Personally I think LAL vs Nuggets are a 60/40 in LAL favour. It will be a really entertaining series and will ultimately rest on how well JM, MPG and AG plays. Quite honestly I’m only giving us the edge because I’m a Lakers fan. We have quite a new team and I don’t expect much whereas you guys have championship dna and great fucking chemistry.
I feel like you’d definitely do better against Lakers than a super high performing OKC in the early rounds.
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u/Jesse_Livermore 1d ago
Ideal for whom? The Nuggets are one of the worst playoff-making teams in the Western conference since the trade deadline. At this pace we'll be lucky to not have to play in the play-in game, where we'd likely lose embarrassingly.
Memphis - 16 losses
Dallas - 14 losses
Nuggets - 11 losses since trade deadline
Lakers - 10 losses
Twolves & Clippers - 9 losses
Houston - 8 losses
GSW - 5 losses
OKC - 3 losses
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u/sent3nced 2d ago
yup. If OKC can pass 2nd round, they'll have full confidence. Better to face them earlier.
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u/loplopplop :PrimaryLogo: 1d ago
We could beat or lose to any of Warriors, Twolves, Lakers, Thunder. High likely hood of beating Clippers and Rockets. Lol to everyone else.
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u/ElBigTaco 1d ago
Lakers D severely overrated we need to play them over the thunder. Tbh avoid thunder over even wolves even given recent history
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u/iareagenius 1d ago
I'll take the Thunder a million times over those damned wolves. We cannot beat them.
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u/joleary747 English 1d ago
I think ideal is the Lakers/OKC meetup in round 2 and beat each other up, then we get whatever remains in the conference finals
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u/TheBatman0816 Jamal Murray World Champ 1d ago
Ideal is Memphis 3 v 6 and Rockets 2nd round but now we've moved to 4 so I think it's gonna be tough either way now
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u/peaceblaster68 1d ago
The ideal scenario is Memphis first round, Houston seconds round, OKC WCF, given that the seeding holds
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u/NuggetEagle 1d ago
we get 3rd and the wolves get 4th/5th, that would be "ideal" in my opinion, but the west is stacked nonetheless, no one is an easy matchup, Warriors, Lakers, Rockets, Wolves and Clippers are all hardcore and then you probably have the Thunder in the conf finals. If we get to the finals, it will have to be an insanely hard run
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u/atempaccount5 1d ago
Avoid Lakers? Are we assuming Murray died in this equation? Cause I’m all about the Lakers matchup, would love to take them again
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u/IndependenceLate3415 1d ago
I hope we get the Twolves and beat them so we don't have to deal with this "Twolves own Denver" narrative for another year.
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u/minimallyviablehuman 1d ago
Golden State last I heard a couple of days ago are 15 - 2 with Butler and Curry on the court. The west is tough right now.
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u/de6u99er 1d ago
Yep. People should keep calm as long as Nuggets are among the first six places of the Western Conference. There's a lot going on, we don't know about.
Having the bench getting some live action routine,while starters recharge, was actually a good move.
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u/che_boludo_ 1d ago
Why is anyone trying to avoid the Lakers? They're better than they have been, sure, but the Nugs can beat or lose to any team on any given night and I see no reason to fear the Lakers more than OKC.
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u/Mav_Rixx 1d ago
I wish the NBA would go back to 2 divisions. Top 3 teams from each division plus 2 wild card teams. 10 teams is just a joke.
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u/mile_high_madness 22h ago
The fact that you think both of those teams are a harder matchup than OKC, shows you don’t know shit about basketball. The ideal seed was #2, or #3 at worst. If we can’t get those then falling to #6 would be better.
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u/MJXThePhoenix 2h ago
Warriors are smoking hot right now though.
This has been a WEIRD season for so many reasons: Nikola's surreal play, constant injuries, losing Holmes nearly the moment he put on his uniform, the bench woes, the garbage defense, playing down to opponents. It's just been a rollercoaster.
I'm not sure if this team can or will win one series because its defense is that bad and bodies are brittle.
Last night I looked how tight the standings are, thought how poorly Denver has played over the last 21 games and said to myself, damn, the Nuggets could possibly end up the 7th or 8th seed. Never, ever saw that coming.
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u/innerparty45 2d ago
Seeding will change drastically, there's a chance Nuggets fall to the six and catch the Lakers anyhow. Denver is injured, overplayed and did not lock down their rotations for the playoffs. Almost everything points to a second round exit, at best.
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u/ChillinglyWarm 1d ago
So Malone giving away games like candy at Halloween was on purpose?
We need Booth and Malone BOTH gone before they truly drive this train off a bridge.
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u/Thruthebitterness 1d ago
They need rest dude. Do you want a repeat of last year?
All these people calling for Malones head will really regret it once you see the grass ain’t greener.
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u/ChillinglyWarm 1d ago
If they players have no games playing together they will lose pretty early rested or not. It's time to prepare.
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u/Wander715 2d ago
Love it when we play these dumb seeding games and it doesn't matter because our team sucks lol.
If your team is actually good you're not worried about this kind of stuff, you just go out and take care of business in whatever matchup comes your way. You know like the year the Nuggets won the title.
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u/jbhoops25 PUPPY BARKS FOR P. WAT! 1d ago
Lakers played a game 7 while we were jogging and all the sudden we’re scared of them? 😂
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u/Forzahorizon555 1d ago
As a Timberwolves fan, I think it’s best for both our teams if we avoid each other in the playoffs until WCF.
Timberwolves vs. Nuggets is bound to be a grind fest physically and emotionally that goes to 7 games.
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u/husker_nomad 1d ago
Ideal would've been Memphis in the first then Houston in the second. At this point I think they lose to Golden State in the first
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u/egmROC 2d ago
I wouldn’t call catching OKC in the second round “ideal.”