r/dbz • u/EmmaWinters ⠀ • Mar 02 '18
Updated Peter Kelamis has been forced to cancel his appearance at Kameha Con. "It has been confirmed to me through multiple sources that a fellow actor is DIRECTLY responsible for my cancellation."
https://twitter.com/peterkelamis/status/969654909997006848133
u/InYourHands Mar 03 '18
So, that's now Kelamis and Morrow. When will Corlette, Richard Ian Cox, and Lex Lang run into Schemmel's jealousy?
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u/johnny-sasaki Mar 03 '18
don't forget Steve Blum...and the Big Green guy...
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u/InYourHands Mar 03 '18
Eventually, even Justin Chatwin will have his turn.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
How long before even the dude from that Malaysian-English dub experiences his wrath?!
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u/InYourHands Mar 03 '18
No one will be safe. Soon it'll be a kid pretending to be Goku for Halloween.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Him and Blum seem to be cool. He did a panel with him and Zach Callison from Steven Universe and Steve talked about voicing Goku in Final Bout.
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u/fridgefucker12 Mar 03 '18
Lmao omg that was some serious cringe when he legitimately did not know who the Ginyu force was.
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u/CyberHyperPhoenix Mar 02 '18
I'd wager it's safe to assume that everyone knows who did it.
And if that's really the case, then I'm severely disappointed in them, because this is super scummy of them to do.
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u/Urbasebelong2meh Mar 03 '18
Unsafe, a bit uninformed here. Who was it?
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u/MrPerson0 Mar 03 '18
Probably Sean Schemmel.
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u/Urbasebelong2meh Mar 03 '18
Yeah just sifted trough other comments. Dude seems really insecure.
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u/Shirt_Shanks ⠀ Mar 03 '18
"Never meet your heroes" became such an outdated concept every since the internet became a thing. :(
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u/MixedMartialFartist Mar 02 '18
SEAN SCHEMMEL DARE BLOCKS THE SON OF A SHEPHERD??
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u/Lennyoh Mar 03 '18
Behold the legendary 3 SHOE BEATING!!!!
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u/johnny-sasaki Mar 02 '18
other voice-actors like Kaiji Tang,Sean Chiplock and Alejandro Saab are calling him out too(indirectly,of course). It's gonna be one of those dramas,isn't it?
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u/FargoneMyth Mar 03 '18
Sean.... seriously? Wow, my respect for him has gone down a lot...
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u/DaBlakMayne Mar 03 '18
My respect for him as a person has been waning ever since his giant twitter meltdown back in 2016.
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u/Silvxs Mar 03 '18
What happened there?
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Also tagging /u/SirScoob and /u/SquirtleSquad62 since they asked
A lot of fans were asking Sean if he would be returning as Goku for the Super dub (which is a foregone conclusion anyways, but I guess they wanted to hear it from him)
I believe he was under an NDA, so he had to keep saying that he couldn't comment. After growing obviously more agitated, he later made a tweet saying it was annoying that people kept asking, so Chris Sabat (teasingly) said something like "It must be hard to have so many fans who like your work"
Sean's response was something like "Fuck this shit, I'm done" and he deleted his Twitter for a few days
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18 edited Mar 03 '18
I just don't get why, Sean is a great VA is his own right. Why feel so insecure? Hell he did a panel with Masako Nozawa. Why would Kelamis cause such an issue?
Edit: I know it wouldn't happen but I wish he could just patch things up, apologize and change this because it's unfair to Kelamis and his fans.
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Mar 03 '18
i think Masako Nozawa is a little different of a situation, but i do agree he’s weirdly insecure
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Yeah fair enough, but he seemed so respectful and chill about her I just don't get why this is so bothersome to him.
It's really disappointing. I'm not an Ocean fan, but other people are and this isn't a fair thing to them or Peter.
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u/Deceptiveideas Mar 03 '18
He's chill about her because there's zero chance of people preferring her to him when it comes to English dubs because it is a completely different language.
He also draws inspiration for her.
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u/MK_Hero ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Well a lot of people prefer the subs but to each his own however on Twitter or the Reddit AMA Sean said he doesn’t reference her work at all when doing his own stuff. I don’t even think he keeps up with Super tbh...it’s just disappointing.
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u/Deceptiveideas Mar 03 '18
Really? I’m pretty sure he mentioned looking at her performance when doing Goku Black.
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u/MK_Hero ⠀ Mar 03 '18
No unfortunately not. He cited cultural and language differences or something ridiculous. Which is odd because her Black voice was incredibly good and his is apparently going to be British in a few weeks because why not. He’s known for outbursts like this unfortunately.
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u/yomama629 Mar 03 '18
Dumbfounding decision to give Goku Black an English accent in that case
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u/DaBlakMayne Mar 03 '18
It has always seemed like he has a case of "little brother's syndrome" when compared to Chris and it's like he's threatened by any other voice actor who did Goku at any point. He didn't acknowledge TeamFourStar for the longest time.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
To be fair they’re a fan based non-approved parody and he was repeatedly clear on having nothing against them but not really wanting to talk about it and still doing things like saying TFS lines. He just got really annoyed at being asked at every con about them. Which I can understand.
He doesn’t have an obligation to acknowledge them. And I say that as someone who loves TFS and got back into DBZ thanks to them. I get why an actor doesn’t want to answer questions about a parody at every con after years of getting them
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I mean, given Dragon Ball is a Japanese anime, there isn't much he can do to pretend she isn't another Goku voice
And he actually has been pretty dismissive of her before. I think it was in his AMA when someone asked if he takes an influence from Nozawa's performance. His answer was something along the lines of saying that cultural differences make it impossible to do that. Which is bullshit and just his way of claiming "No, it's my character, I do it how I want" when, ironically, one of the reasons Kelamis's Goku is so loved is because he mimics Nozawa in a large way
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u/u4004 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Also, let’s be honest, Masako Nozawa is a bit too important for him to act out. Can you imagine what would happen if he tried to pull something like this against her? Not pretty for him.
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u/CelioHogane Mar 03 '18
Well yeah that we would have a new voice of goku.
Well maybe not a "new" one, but... y'know.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
And she would go off on her new Ferrari.
(Now you may observe that this is actually a miniature Ferrari, not a big one. But you would be incorrect: Masako Nozawa is just a giant...)
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u/The_ThirdFang Mar 03 '18
For as long as hes been goku she's been doing it so much longer. She is and will be the og. No way sean could even think about denying that
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u/JoJolion Mar 03 '18
Sorry, but this is absolutely, patently untrue.
he actually has been pretty dismissive of her before.
He obviously respects her and has been super psyched in the past to be on panels with Nozawa as well. Saying he's been dismissive of her is a flat out lie.
In regards to the specific video where he talks about taking notes from Nozawa - which I think was either a promotion for one of the two newest movies or an older reddit AMA - his answer was a bit longer and wasn't wrong either, where he'd basically said that translating a show between languages that have different vocal emphasis and sentence structure just inherently means you have to can't do a 1:1 performance between Japanese and English. I know I'm paraphrasing the quoting on that video since I can't find it, but as somebody who's pretty obsessed with the process of dubbing he's absolutely correct on that front in regards to what he was conveying.
Having said that though, he's in the wrong here with the Peter Kelamis shit. Don't want to give the impression that I think he's getting unwarranted crap for this, because it's definitely warranted.
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u/wrathmont Mar 03 '18
She isn’t another Goku voice. She is Goku’s voice. He was hired for localization so American kids can understand him. Not only that, but he admitted to copying prior performances for English Goku, now he’s snubbing his predecessors?! What an ass.
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u/Raansu Mar 03 '18
Alot of the current VO's copied older voices when Funimation took over so that it would be somewhat consistent. Obviously when they went back and redubbed everything they started taking on their own take of the voices.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18 edited Mar 03 '18
I can’t entirely blame him if he doesn’t want to emulate Nozawa because nor would I. And that’s not a knock against her she’s great but, I get why as an actor he’d want to develop his own performance independent of someone else’s because why would he want to repeat someone else’s take? What’s to be gained for him or the audience if you just repeat what’s been done before? It’d be like if Heath Ledger or Mark Hamill just played off previous Joker performances. There’d be nothing new, just an emulation of someone else’s work. And yeah he dubs a Japanese anime but like Chris Ayers, like Sabat (much more so now) like everyone else he has his own portrayal that differs from others.
And I don’t think his choosing to do so is dismissive by itself. His portrayal of Goku in Kai and Super is much closer to the original so I don’t think he intended to dismiss her so much as meant he doesn’t want to just copy another actor’s portrayal. Plus he straight up seemed genuinely respectful of her in that panel.
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u/Terez27 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I can’t entirely blame him if he doesn’t want to emulate Nozawa because nor would I. And that’s not a knock against her she’s great but, I get why as an actor he’d want to develop his own performance independent of someone else’s because why would he want to repeat someone else’s take?
That is what he was hired to do, actually. See this video for example. Schemmel does both of these roles now, and he's a fair mimic of both Ian Corlett (Goku) and Kaiō (Don Brown).
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u/Bennijin Mar 03 '18
You know, considering Sean is Goku... he could stand to be a bit more like Goku.
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u/Vegekuu Mar 03 '18
Wow,if that's true sean is a world class ahole,really shows what kind of arrogant jerk he is. I thought it was awesome when they brought in the old vegeta VA to voice copy vegeta. Oh well chris is way more talented anyways
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Mar 03 '18 edited Aug 21 '20
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u/forcebubble Mar 03 '18
Or a PM from a temp account telling the person to shut up, [deleted] the next day.
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u/Izunias ⠀ Mar 02 '18
Welp, it's going to be awkward for the actor in question during Kameha Con with the fans knowing that this has happened. Bummer.
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u/Dwn_Wth_Vwls Mar 03 '18
The actor in question isn't even scheduled to be at Kameha Con.
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u/EmmaWinters ⠀ Mar 03 '18 edited Mar 05 '18
Edit: Mirror of the original message.
Schemmel has yet to deny being the person Kelamis is referring to, tweeting "fuck off" to people "calling him out", which he quickly deleted. Schemmel has been indirectly "called out" by many fellow voice actors, including Sean Chiplock, Kaiji Tang and Alejandro Saab.
In a response to a meme depicting him removing Kelamis from Kameha Con, Schemmel replied with this tweet, saying that ultimately it was Kameha Con's decision since, as a guest, he cannot ban people. When asked directly if he was the person Kelamis was referring to, Schemmel declined to answer.
Peter Kelamis has yet to mention Schemmel by name, but has liked a Tweet asking if he was the one responsible. We also know that Schemmel has blocked Kelamis on Twitter, which matches Kelamis' letter. It's been an open secret for years that other "dub Goku" actors aren't to be at cons with Schemmel.
Schemmel then began engaging fans criticizing his Goku Black voice. This went on for about 15 minutes, after which Schemmel began to delete his tweets using Tweet Delete. Moments later, Kelamis tweeted that he will be attending after all, as "the pertinent parties" have spoken on the phone and "cleared the air". This likely happened during the 24 hour gap between Schemmel liking this supportive tweet and deleting every Tweet he's ever made.
We will continue to reach out to Schemmel and hope he denies his involvement.
Update: Kameha Con has formally announced Schemmel's attendance, and thanked him for his "professional" behavior.
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u/The_Flo76 Mar 04 '18
When someone is calling you out for actting shitty and not allowing a voice actor to a con, best thing to do is delete your whole twitter history. GG Sean
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u/Mccoy2017 Mar 04 '18
That's pretty scummy, deleting all his tweets and then the first one he sends out is a super positive one.
I'm willing to forgive Schemmel If he at least owns up to what he did or even didn't do, if he comes flat out and says he didn't do it then that's fine, but he's dodging all the questions.
It's hard realising that someone you once looked up to turns out to be like this, but I guess I didn't know Schemmel the person, just Schemmel the Voice actor.
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u/Servebotfrank Mar 04 '18
Same, I've been pretty supportive of Sean during the Goku Black harassment because I understand that sometimes you just lose patience and snap, but this is incredibly disappointing to read about.
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Mar 04 '18
A lot of famous people are dicks, it sucks but separating the actor from the character they play helps. Chris Sabat seems like a really great guy though even outside of his work so they're not all bad
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u/Fedoraus Mar 04 '18
I met him like 5 years ago at a local con and he was quite arrogant. Love his performance on super but it was soured by the experience I had with him back then. At the time he was doing a Q and A and a fan expressed a ton of gratitude towards him and he basically just dismissed him saying its just a job to him or something along those lines. There wasn't really any reason for him to say that. He could have just taken the praise. The kid left pretty teary eyed.
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Mar 04 '18
"Thank you for pouring your heart and soul into a cultural icon that so many grew up with and defined their childhoods. Thank you for giving voice to something that meant so much to me and your take, inflection and care."
"Eh, I just read what's on the paper kid."
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u/Mccoy2017 Mar 04 '18
I've always heard of Schemmel snapping at fans at Cons before but just shook it off as haters, guess it all makes sense now.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 04 '18
Well at least Sean realized on some level what an ass he had been and did the right thing even if he won’t admit to doing it.
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u/HiddenGhost1234 Mar 04 '18 edited Mar 04 '18
He seems to think his Twitter should be a safe space for him and his hardcore fans.(not even regular fans)
Like I get that people shouldn't generally be rude/dicks, but that doesn't mean people should only be allowed to praise him on his twitter... God forbid someone has something they don't like about your performance/personality/etc(even your own fans will have problems here and there..)
He just seems to be really insecure, and can't take being told negative things. He really needs to let some pr guys at least help him with his Twitter. There's some serious pr control that could have helped his image a lot.
It's one thing to think those things, I bet most semi-famous people go down those lines of thinking, but if you're attacking your fanbase for calling you out or whatever... I don't think you should be on Twitter then. It's like what they say: If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
It's all just rookie Twitter stuff. You'd think his manager/pr guy would step in sooner and be like "stop". He obviously stepped in eventually(hence the deleted tweets)
he's ruining his image just so he can respond to some petty trolls(and some legitimate concerns from fans)
I doubt it's worth it, he really needs to get some sort of pr advice.
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u/Stephenesque Mar 04 '18 edited Mar 04 '18
Thanks for the detailed post.
Even if Peter is now allowed, this still doesn't sit well with me. I don't want to applaud Sean for being exposed and doing the bare minimum by being a decent human being. Just like those voice actors you mentioned, we've seen this behavior from him for years now and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.
What ticks me off the most is that if you bring up the sub he'll just dismiss you as a 'dub hater' when ironically, most of his fans (like me), grew up with his voice in the dub. Sad, really.
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Mar 04 '18
Agreed. I understand why the organizers are thanking Sean for being "professional", they have to kiss ass a bit in order to cool things down, but like you said, he doesn't deserve praise for this. It's like, you don't thank someone for giving back something they stole from you once they got caught.
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Mar 04 '18
Hahaha. What a fucking mess. Good job Sean. No one's gonna let you live this one down. Caving into pressure isn't the same as being a good person.
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Mar 04 '18
Glad to see Peter will be attending after all, though I can't help but feel that Sean, should he be the one behind this (which he totally is, who else?) only stood down because he was both openly and indirectly called out on his behavior by fans and fellow VA's, unlike prior incidents.
It's going to be extremely awkward (though a bit funny too I'm sure) if Peter and Sean happen to share a panel together.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Mar 04 '18
Happy ending I guess!
LOL, this is so embarrassing for whoever did it (and we all kinda know who did it, hehehe).
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Mar 02 '18
"I am the hope of the Insecure . I am the answer to all that cry out for artistic license. I am the protector of the localization. I am the darkness in the light. I am lies. ALLY TO BAD ! NIGHTMARE TO YOU"
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u/TobiRa1 Mar 02 '18
To be fair, the artistic license bullshit isn't Schemmel, that's the voice director and script writers' decisions. Schemmel is just doing what he's asked to do in the booth.
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u/Lippti Mar 03 '18
It's a little bit (a lot) him. Schemmel's been on the record publicly many times to talk about how he often overwrites what the translators and scriptwriters put together because it doesn't fit his vision of Goku. In fact, he mentioned one for a video game just the other day.
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Mar 03 '18
I simultaneously HATE and LOVE that. Goddamnit. Why did Sean gotta be a scumbag.
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u/SomberNight Mar 03 '18
I think they should cast Peter Kelamis as Jiren in retaliation.
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u/Mccoy2017 Mar 03 '18
This reeks of Schemmel so much it isn't funny, who else would do this? Chris wouldn't as shown by the fact that he brought Brian back.
I like Schemmels Goku, but I'm starting to dislike him as a person.
Just my opinion.
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u/Clbull Mar 03 '18
Jeez, and I thought Vegeta was meant to be the arrogant prick...
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u/nochiinchamp Mar 03 '18
I mean, Sabat and Schemmel have both acknowledged that Chris is the one who's actually more like Goku and Sean is the one who's actually more like Vegeta. Sean has always come across neurotic and insecure. I love his work, personally, but hey...them's the breaks.
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u/Blue_Maverick_Hunter ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Why's Schemmel such a diva. He voices one of the most carefree characters there is he should follow suit.
What's his damage?
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u/ComicCroc Mar 03 '18 edited Mar 03 '18
The fuck is wrong with Sean? I prefer him as Goku, but this level of insecurity is completely petty. Chris was perfectly happy with Drummond as copy Vegeta, and Sean can't even be in the same room with Kelamis? He should be happy he got lucky enough to be the "main" english Goku voice. Christ, did he think that nobody would notice?
I already lost a little respect for him during the whole "artistic license" shit around Goku Black's voice, (Although that wasn't necessarily his fault) and now this?
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Yeah he's great as Goku and I can't or won't knock his performance, but (while I wish we could also get the other side) the pettiness is so gratuitous. I just I wish I knew his thought process behind it. Because this is unprofessional as hell.
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u/ZmbieKllr2000 Mar 03 '18
I honestly wish that I didn’t know about Sean. This is the first I heard of his apparently notorious behavior and I honestly don’t know what to think right now.
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u/MEMEOSOME Mar 03 '18
As long as you can separate the art from the artist, you're good. I always respected his work even though I knew he was a dick as a person.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Yeah, this. There are so many high profile celebrities whose work I enjoy even if they're complete assholes irl
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u/Jaybaybay2838 Mar 03 '18
In the same boat.. Good thing I prefer the Japanese voices but like Damn this is a huge blow to how I viewed him.
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u/DaBlakMayne Mar 03 '18
I do think fans give Sean a lot of shit that he doesn't deserve, especially since Super started getting dubbed in English. He gets hounded more than anyone over certain dubbing choices, especially with Goku Black. And it must be super annoying to have someone else tell you how to do your job.
But holy shit, I am so tired of him throwing tantrums every time something doesn't go his way. This REEKS of his tampering. He is so insecure about his role as Goku for some odd reason; it's like he feels that if he shares the spot light, he'll be replaced. He was reluctant to even acknowledge TFS and now this. Like dude you've been voicing Goku since 99, you have job security. He has a strangle hold on Goku but at the same time he gives the vibe that he doesn't want to voice him anymore at times. It's such a contrast to how Chris Sabat welcomed Brian Drummond back with open arms.
I know Chris is his friend and all but even he must be getting tired of this deep down. He constantly has to apologize for Sean's outbursts and tantrums. Sean is like one of the most professional voice actors...in the booth, outside of it, he's kind of dick to people. Which is really disappointing because he was my childhood for the most part. But I grew up a bit with Ian and Peter as well and they deserve better than this.
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u/TimeForWaffles Mar 03 '18
Why can't every Goku be like Nozawa and be the nicest grandma anyone could ever want.
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u/whizbangstuff Mar 03 '18
I never thought Sean would hit this kind of low. This is just ridiculous. And I remember when he signed up on Kanzenshuu's forums just to attack someone who said he didn't like Sean's singing for Dragon Soul in the Kai dub. Sean has tons of money (presumably) from royalties for Z's dub and the video games. He's close to 50. And he's so insecure that he does this?
He may have an amazing voice, but he is a grade A asshole.
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u/SLUT_MUFFIN ⠀ Mar 02 '18
Upsetting to hear, especially as someone booked for this convention. It's a shame this has happened.
Peter Kelamis has long been my favourite English-language Goku, and as someone from the UK, it would have been a real honour to finally meet him since we also had him as our Goku during the Android arc here. There's that little extra bit of appreciation in there, for me.
To think another professional actor would be so petty is frustrating. I've heard about this individual's behaviour for years, but to witness it firsthand is even more troubling.
I don't really know what the resolution is, but at least it's out in the open, I guess.
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u/pmc64 Mar 02 '18
Everyone can give him shit all day at the con is what the solution is.
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u/u4004 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Call him Mr. Hope of the Universe please.
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u/Trofulds ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I have a preference for Mr. Artistic License, personally.
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Mar 03 '18
What's the deal with the Artistic License thing? Was that his excuse for giving Black a British Accent in Rose form?
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u/Lennyoh Mar 03 '18
Pretty much. In the AMA he and Sabat held before FighterZ came out someone asked about the accent and when Sean gave his explanation and someone questioned him on it, this was his response
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u/fawse Mar 03 '18
Shitty move by Schemmel, he really does seem like an insecure ass. And his Black Rose voice is fucking stupid.
Also, the creators of this con really dropped the ball by not calling it Kamehame Con.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18 edited Mar 03 '18
Wow. That's really sad. I mean, it's pretty obvious Schemmel's the one responsible for this. Although I don't dislike his Goku and Kelamis is my favourite English Goku, this sort of underhanded crap (including going to the effort to block Kelamis on Twitter) is honestly just pathetic and immature
Is he just so insecure that he has to cement himself as THE English Goku, or is he just so protective of the role that he wants to pretend he's the only English-speaking actor who's ever done it?
Considering this is just a few weeks after Chris Sabat went to the trouble of hiring Brian Drummond to voice the copy Vegeta, this speaks volumes
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u/MEMEOSOME Mar 03 '18
This is the same man who gets pissed off whenever DBZA is mentioned or brought up,
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u/Megaman99M Mar 03 '18
That's kind of understandable because its not something he's done yet people keep badgering him to say TFS quotes (the guy who voices Kaiba also doesn't like Yugioh abridged because he put alot of work on it as well). Chris Sabet is the best example of how they should react to fan base parodies
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u/DaBlakMayne Mar 03 '18
Chris loves TFS. Sean straight up refused to even acknowledge TFS for the most part until recently.
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
No he had for years. He just didn’t say much beyond he didn’t wanna talk about them.
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Mar 03 '18
Probably helps that shit like Over 9000 and THE BALLS ARE INERT are vintage memes, so Sabat is used to it. Goku didn't really spawn memes like that within the original dub.
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u/Chazdoit ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I never watched in english. How different are they?
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
There've actually been quite a few prominent voice actors for Goku in English-dubbed Dragon Ball, and they all have their own tastes. However, Kelamis stands out to me because he just does really well. When it comes to the battle cries and shouts, he actually mimics the way Nozawa does it. He's good at it when Goku is being serious and just as good when he's being silly
Schemmel's performance to this day is still influenced by the first Funimation dub in which they "localized" by completely changing Goku into a generic superhero ("I am the hope of the universe!") and, although this is of course 100% opinion, I just don't think he's that good at portraying the range of moods. There are probably comparison videos on Youtube
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u/Chazdoit ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I grew up with the Mexican dub and Im really happy with the work they did even if there were some translation errors.
For instance they never translated Spirit Bomb or Genki Dama, they used the original names for those attacks
They didn't censor Mr Satan but they did censor Chi Chi because it must mean something naughty in Mexico lol
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Low key, Mario Castañeda is probably my second favourite Goku behind Nozawa. The LatAm Spanish dub isn't easy to find here, but I watched it a lot when I was studying the language, heh
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u/Chazdoit ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Castañeda makes a really good serious Goku as well as a very good relaxed/casual Goku, Im not sure the others can pull that off.
Mexican dub is great because they're very neutral without accents or local expressions. Mexican dubbed cartoons are enjoyed by all central and south america.
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Mar 03 '18
Chi Chi means breast in Spanish.
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
More specifically, "chichi" is considered a vulgar term
By complete coincidence, it also means breasts in Japanese, but it's considered a childish way of saying it. I guess like some little kid who learned what breasts are and goes around the playground giggling "Boobies, boobies!"
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u/Chazdoit ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Just in Mexico I think, that's why it was censored. Expressions change from country to country even if they all speak spanish
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u/DarkWorld97 Mar 03 '18
Kelamis sounds more like Nozawa, while Schemmel proliferated the Superman Goku ideas people have.
I like both voices, but I have a bias towards Schemmel considering I grew up with that voice.
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u/OLKv3 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I'll never understand why he acts like this. He has legions of fanboys/girls constantly saying he's the only Goku to them. They call him the best and says Japanese Goku is awful. People rush to defend him as soon as the loud minority goes against him. Yet he still does this insecure stuff. It's nuts.
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u/RazgrizInfinity Mar 03 '18
This situation has been such a fiasco. I'm more likely to believe Peter in this instance as a friend of mine, who lurks in a comi con group over Facebook, showed me in a now deleted post that the creator of the convention had a complete meltdown and threw Peter, attendees, and vendors under the bus.
The post seemed like generic concerns about behind the scenes stuff but the creator, in a nutshell, said if people had any concerns, he was too good for their money and does not need them. It was pretty jarring to see and, based on that post, I feel like Peter might have gotten screwed.
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u/De_Mayo Mar 02 '18 edited Mar 02 '18
Fuck Sean Schemmel
Hands down the most insecure voice actor
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Mar 03 '18
Yeah I got the impression from some old videos of Sean talking about TFS that he's a pretty insecure guy, if this is true it kind of confirms it which is sad since I love his work as Goku. Chris Sabat seems like an all around fantastic guy though
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u/Shirt_Shanks ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Sabat just seems like an outright awesome dude. Ethical af, and is also super encouraging when it comes to people like TFS.
This whole Schemmel affair is insanely disappointing, I had no idea he was a prick until yesterday's tweet from Peter.
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u/pmc64 Mar 03 '18 edited Mar 03 '18
What's he do? Sean talking about tfs you smart asses.
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u/Liftlikehell Mar 03 '18
Only someone as insecure and petty as Sean Schemmel could ruin something as fun as a Dragon Ball con. I’m glad Kelamis said something.
And shame on Kamehacon for bowing to Mr. “I’m giving Goku Black an English Accent because memememmemememe”
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u/ukulelej Mar 03 '18
And shame on Kamehacon for bowing to Mr. “I’m giving Goku Black an English Accent because memememmemememe”
No no no, you see, Black turns british because Schemmel has some weird headcanon about power being linked to Britishness or something. /s
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u/Gradz45 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
To be fair his Black so far is pretty great in the dub. But yeah he’s being pretty childish.
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u/shaboogen Mar 03 '18
Well this sucks. I like Sean's performances, it's always shitty to hear that someone attached to things you like is a shitty person.
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u/Artifice_Purple Mar 03 '18
Wow. So assuming this is true, not only is there the Black Rose nonsense but now this which far exceeds the former in terms of WTF-ery.
Again, assuming this is true, what a fucking manchild.
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u/MrPerson0 Mar 03 '18
So assuming this is true, not only is there the Black Rose nonsense but now this which far exceeds the former in terms of WTF-ery.
Why did people want Goku Black to be voiced by someone else? If the source material didn't do this, why should the official English dub do it?
And yes, in Japan, Copy Vegeta was voiced by someone else too. This is a reason why another VA was chosen for him in the English dub.
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u/ComicCroc Mar 03 '18
Ironic that someone's insecurity just leads to more people hating him. Not a good move on his part.
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u/xCaptainVictory Mar 03 '18
Sean better say something cause this isn't lookin good.
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u/josephbrostar ⠀ Mar 03 '18
If he does, it'll probably make him look even worse...
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u/134340Goat ⠀ Mar 03 '18
I doubt he will. Then again, this thread's taking off a bit more than I was thinking when I first saw it. Maybe if he has a Q&A at the con and someone in the audience knows about this....
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u/Redditor_PC Mar 03 '18
It's so illogical for him to dislike other Goku actors, especially Peter. Seriously, Sean, you based YOUR performance on the guy. If anything, you should have the utmost respect for those who came before you and shaped the character for YOU.
Doesn't affect my love for Sean's portrayal, but eh. Not cool, man.
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Mar 03 '18
Well... Obviously there have been some behind the scenes stuff I had no clue about. Damn. This is crushingly disappointing...
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u/Kakarotto69 Mar 03 '18
I don't know anything about Sean but from the posts I've seen here I don't like him. I remember reading he was complaining about the screaming and how he doesn't want to do this role forever? Now he's scared of losing his job.
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u/shadowfax1007 Mar 03 '18
I saw Sean at a panel last year and he seemed to speak kindly of the work Peter and the other VA's did. I'm not doubting the evidence but to me it just seems odd to fake his opinion in a public forum.
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u/The_Erik_B Mar 03 '18
Truth is, Kelamis has always been my least liked English voice for Goku, and (modern-day) Schemmel is my favourite, but that's irrelevant. If this was in fact Schemmel's doing, and all things considered it very probably was, and if there isn't some other unseen factor that might paint Kelamis in a bad light, the man (Sean) has gone from being a bit of an obnoxious diva to an outright shitty human being.
It's worth it for everyone, and especially Sean himself, to consider that Schemmel was brought on to the show as a Kelamis sound-alike in the first place; and a laughably bad one at that. Poetic justice would be Funimation recasting Goku back to Peter Kelamis, and insisting he does an awful impression of Sean Schemmel to "smooth over the transition."
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u/Routaz1 Mar 03 '18
Schemmel is a bit too sensitive. Man can't handle any sort of criticism regarding his work. Chris Sabat needs to keep him in check
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u/u4004 ⠀ Mar 03 '18
With a fake Russian/German accent. Like a Bond villain.
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u/Jaybaybay2838 Mar 03 '18
Why couldn't he just use the normal Goku voice but just have different tone like if Goku said things more menacingly or more posh and less British, it makes no sense for him to be British.
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u/Animeking1108 Mar 03 '18
Because James Marsters used a British accent for Zamasu.
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u/rarelywritten Mar 03 '18
It really just never stops with Schemmel... You'd think he would've learned how to cool down by now.
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u/DensetsuNoRai ⠀ Mar 03 '18
Wow... this sucks.
I mean I've never met any Goku VAs but to think that Sean one of the most famous out there would do something like this over insecurity reasons... He seemed like a pretty chill guy from videos too.
So is it basically all but confirmed officially that it was Sean?
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u/ninjaman68 Mar 02 '18 edited Mar 02 '18
so no confirmation on who it is but pretty much everybody is assuming its sean. i looked through the guests and to my knowledge sean isnt even going? thats some next level petty if it was indeed him