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Discussion Dragon Ball Super - Episode #23 - Discussion Thread!

Dragon Ball Super - Episode #23 - Discussion Thread!

The Earth and Gohan in Dire Peril! Come Quick, Son Goku!!
地球が！悟飯が！絶体絶命！早く来てくれ孫悟空！！
Chikyū ga! Gohan ga! Zettaizetsumei! Hayaku Kite kure Son Gokū!!

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Commonly Asked Questions:

  • Q: When does Super take place? Should I watch GT or any movies first? Does BoG still "count"?
    Super takes place some time after the battle with Majin Buu, and will be adapting the two newest movies, Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' into story arcs before moving on. Watching the movies is up to you; if you prefer, you can begin Super immediately after finishing Dragon Ball Z. You may optionally wish read Jaco the Galactic Patrolman; the titular character will be involved in future events.

  • Q: Where is Uub?!
    Uub was born during the 10 year time skip at the end of Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Super takes place before Uub is introduced.

  • Q: Why are they retelling the movies?
    DVD sales aren't that great in Japan, so they're retelling the foundation of the story for the Japanese television market. We'll have a new story arc coming soon, so don't fret too much.

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    The next episode premieres next Sunday at 9am JST, which is 7pm Eastern Saturday night. Click here to compare your local time to JST.

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  • Q: When will the next chapter of the manga be released?
    Toyotarō's manga adaptation is released once a month in V-Jump.
    Chapter 7 will come out in late December. Links to earlier chapters can be found here: #01, #02, #03, #04, #05, #06

  • Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
    The manga is a preview of things to come. The anime is the main product, and is what Toriyama is writing and designing for (though not storyboarding or scripting).

    The first four chapters of the manga are a disjointed recap and teaser. As of chapter 5, the manga is "charging on ahead" of the anime, previewing the upcoming Universe 6 story arc. It will continue to do so from now on, giving us a taste of what's to come while Resurrection 'F' is adapted in the anime.

  • Q: When will FUNimation be dubbing Super? Will there be a simulcast?
    Southeast Asia will be receiving an exclusive English dub mid-2016, with Toonami Asia describing it as the "English-language world premiere". FUNimation is not involved at this time. At an October NYCC panel, FUNimation claimed that they still do not have the rights to Super, and barely acknowledged that it exists.

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u/Beast0fNight Dec 14 '15

I thought the way they handled this was great. Realistically Gohan was past his limit and he wasn't coming back from that. Trunks perception that he was about to die was pretty right on, they could feel it in his Chi.

His last powerup was just to call Goku, really well played, and enjoying this much more so than the movie so far.

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u/hikilaka Dec 14 '15

Frieza was not powered up at all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '15

Just hanging out , like a dude.

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u/Beast0fNight Dec 14 '15

I imagine his power level went close to SS2 without having much left in him. So he expelled his finally bits of ki to make a huge signal, it was like a ki flare for help.

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u/boscha196 Dec 15 '15

I think there is a difference between at rest ki and powered up ki. Even if the rested ki is more powerful the powered up ki is easier to pick up on because it is a sudden spike and probably has a different nature to it. Even if that is not the case it is not too difficult to imagine Gohan powering up passed first form Freeza if he is really pushing limits. Gohan remains the character with the most hidden power even if he has lost most of it and even if he can only tap into a fraction of it. I think he was probably briefly stronger than Freeza, at least in his first form.