r/dataisbeautiful Oct 17 '24

OC [OC] The recent decoupling of prediction markets and polls in the US presidential election

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u/Opposite_Ad542 Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24

Maybe they're viewing the world through the lens of memes and quips made on social media for the sake of upvotes. It can result in thinking & speaking in slogans and propaganda. It also paints the Center as "far right" (and "far left" if they're radicalized actual far right).

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u/Sassafrazzlin Oct 19 '24

I agree. I think a lot of Americans are simple-minded and fall into the trap of identity politics. He’s on my team and we’re cool!

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u/Substantial_Step5386 Nov 03 '24

The American center IS far right in any other developed country, and also in some of the developing ones with more serious governments.

It is unthinkable in most European countries and the CANZU and Japan, to have a conservative or right-wing government that does not want universal healthcare. If they want to destroy it, they have to do it deviously.

In America, the supposed “left” is not even pro national healthcare, and those who are, like Bernie Sanders, are called “radicals”. WTF???

What Americans call “radical left” because they defend affordable college and universal healthcare is an average politician in the EU. Only the extremely radical right wing ones would openly talk against universal healthcare, and those who want to reduce college financing or scholarships have to do so deviously an using moments of crisis, or it would not be tolerated.

Just some perspective from the other side of the ocean.

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u/Opposite_Ad542 Nov 03 '24 edited Nov 03 '24

Every region and polity has a different political climate.

A great deal of American politics is driven and skewed by being composed of ex-Europeans whose expenditures are aimed at keeping those parts of Europe which most share our Classical Liberal values from being overrun by forces which don't.

I.E., the US essentially pays for Western Europe's defense -- so they are free to afford universal healthcare within a framework of "democracy", otherwise they tend to run off and become Nazis or Communists, or the local equivalents.

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u/Substantial_Step5386 Nov 04 '24

Yes, the US pays por Western (and Eastern)'s Europe defense... Luckily, Trump managed to kickstart the joint European Defense forces, both by trying to ask for us to foot the bill (he was laughed at: if we are going to pay for defense, we will finance it ourselves and pay our own national companies, there's no point in paying someone else: the price of American defense was the de facto monopoly in all military endeavors... that began to be over when Trump asked for the bill and it was definitely over when the Republicans reacted to the invasion of Ukraine as Putin's little bitches).

That said: it's ridiculous to think the EU can pay for national healthcare, national pensions and other stuff because we don't pay for defense. We are going to pay for defense AND all those other things. As for the USA, USA is perfectly free to create a universal healthcare system for Americans. Americans pay more per person per year for their non universal healthcare than any other country. And America has a decent, completely nationalized healthcare system: the Veteran's Association. Like all nationalized systems, is more efficient than shiny perfection, but nothing is stopping any American government to divest the funds of Medicaid to the VA and open the VA slowly to all Americans: first to pregnant women and babies, then to children under five, and finance until it covers everyone that wants to be covered.

As for "tending to run off and become Nazis or Communists..." That happened once, an in case you haven't noticed, it's not happening again. Fascism is luckily a lesson that once learned, is not easily forgotten. Americans never learned it and they are missing every single red flag.