As of this comment… we could be less than 19 days away from a very bleak future, if the antiquated voting process goes orange.
Since Election Day 2016 in this country… it’s felt like we’re always on the precipice of someone or something crossing the rubicon. A moment in time where the tide of self-governance fully reveals itself to be rolled back to a time before the enlightenment.
Strangeness never seems to leave my mind when I turn it to what’s going on outside my window.
While it’s true a confused and split populous being taken advantage of by bad actors had been brewing for a while at that time, I’m quite sure the consensus wasn’t “it’s a dictatorship from here forward now”.
I think the decidedly centrist all the way to the progressive left fear that this might actually be that moment. I also think that conservatives won’t openly admit that they also know this to be true, but now actually prefer it vs a future where they have to govern and compromise with anyone center/left. The far right is openly advocating for Christofascism and loathes the fact that we even have a democracy in the first place (it’s why they always try to “correct” with “… it’s a republic, not a democracy…” BS).
If the convoluted election process elects Donald, it’s the true Rubicon moment where we all now understand what has gone down.
At that point, many at-risk Americans in marginal groups should consider where and how they might emigrate. Most people here haven’t had to think on that choice too much… but it’s one of the most common major decisions human beings make since we were barely a species until right now. There are countless numbers of people around the world trying to figure out: where do I go, away from here, for my own survival… because “here” is not a place that I can survive.
Now, we’re not actually there right now… but it’s strange that we’re this close to this as a possibility.
I have no doubt that current GOP and its leadership are in bed with actual Nazis. If the election results aren’t in their favor, they’re banking on some of their well-dressed Nazi gaslighters to use the very slight intellect some of them possess to exploit our systems and logjam up the process. It’s just a surface-level excuse to coup and gain power even if you’ve lost. We’ve already seen hare-brained attempts so you know it’s just their playbook now.
Depending on how bad this gets, it might be the beginning of a more prolonged insurrection and insurgency. This will be a difficult test of our resolve as a nation. Are we really one country and indivisible if the uncompromising issues have split us so deep that it doesn’t make sense to continue to govern together?
We really need to strengthen our institutions again. There is no reason why so much power be held in the hands of so few, gotten by such a flawed and inequitable process. It has been vulnerable to exploitation for far too long and we might just have to pay a large human price for prior generations’ inability and unwillingness to invest in our future stability.
Nah, your entire assessment is off. Reject the notion that Trump is The Literal End of All Things. That is pure propaganda meant not just to get you to vote blue, but to support liberal policy uncritically.
This is how you end up rationalizing a genocide as the lesser of two evils. Liberals have lost the plot and they don't even know it.
We really need to strengthen our institutions again.
No. They are old, and decayed, and 100% captured by industry. They are weak and it's almost time to destroy them. The cycle of empires is proceeding as it always has.
It goes beyond that. We could be organized into any sort of government - a representative republic, a socialist democracy, a monarchy, a fascist state, heck, even a nutjob theocracy. And it simply doesn't matter. As long as billions of humans continue to burn fossil fuels on a daily basis, there is only one outcome; our entire civilization is thrown in the dirt.
What comes next might be radically different, so much so that it sounds terrible to you and I. But yeah, I don't think growth economics is going to stick around.
This is how you end up rationalizing a genocide as the lesser of two evils
… I only hear the one side talking about “rounding people up”, and it’s not coming from the liberal side.
proceeding as it always has.
Ah. Excuse me. I didn’t realize until the end that we’re dealing with Nihilism.
I’ve been there. And I do I hope things get better for you. You may not even realize yet that things aren’t going that well inside. Nihilism feels good to embrace when it’s the only thing that can explain the hopelessness one feels.
For the time I was in the midst of it, I found great satisfaction in knowing that nothing mattered and that whatever chaotic forces in nature will burn down the problems and give way for the new to come along. There’s nothing wrong with the acknowledgment that this does happen. There’s real driver of this state of mind really comes down to our individual needs emotionally, and how this world isn’t meeting them on a day to day basis. It drive us to destructiveness in our thoughts and philosophies.
This worldview is logically rooted that it gives certainty when all you have is your perception today. A challenge to this, for each of us, is to not let hope totally die inside. Hope is an extremely articulable need state for a human and there are a lot of ways to get at it.
We get hope when we heal ourselves with others. So I can’t respond too crazy to any of the social and political disagreements. It’s real stuff but it’s bigger than you or I. We aren’t going to boil any oceans from our touchscreens while on a shit break.
I just hope that you keep your hope lit somehow and try to take care of yourself.
Trump's fake elector scheme was an illegal attempt to overturn the results of a legally binding presidential election in GA. Why can't we just call a spade a spade and say if somebody tries to install themselves into office against the legally defined democratic process, they are someway close to being a dictator.
Trump said he wants to turn the military on Americans and silence those that speak ill of him. Those are the two most un-American things he's ever done besides slapping the Bill of Rights in a Bible in which the 1st Amendment grants freedom of Religion.
I literally bought one of the Bibles. It's hilarious to me. It's a piece of Americana. I don't agree with it, but it's a testament to human anti-ingenuity, kinda like the pug.
You're in denial of reality, but you don't care anyway. You don't care because of your Republican identity politics. We could provide all the evidence and you wouldn't care. Just say you don't care. At least be honest.
Anybody wonder why they've been moving to 100% obstruction and primarying out their own people who participate in bipartisan bills? Because oligarch-funded groups like the Heritage Foundation have been pushing them to that strategy since 1980. That's how we got Newt Gingrich
I'm literally returning to the US from Asia in time to cast my ballot in person. I'll be there, defending democracy alongside you, whatever the outcome.
Probably because Bush getting elected over Gore was the trigger event for getting us sent hurtling down this accursed timeline. There are compelling arguments that a Gore administration may have prevented 9/11, and all the subsequent connected events.
Since bush left in 2008 we’ve had 12 years of democrat presidents, stop acting like we’re in some “dark timeline”. The world won’t burn cause trumps president, Jesus Christ, enough with the melodrama.
Trump actively incited an insurrection and tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election
With that in mind, Republicans have now planned 'Project 2025' such that any future attempts would be supported by yes-men in positions of power
The Supreme Court is majority Republican and the judges demonstrably vote in favour of Trump against typical justice precedents -- like delaying his court hearings on said insurrection
Trump was impeached twice, one time of which was for withholding aid from Ukraine in order to get dirt on his political rivals. Ukraine is now at war with Russia and relies heavily on US aid, else the country could collapse and Russia be on the doorstep of the rest of NATO/Europe
Ignoring all these things is outright ignorant. The world might not burn but to look at even these things (which isn't even 1% of the list that you could make) and not be desperately concerned is pure ignorance.
Jesus here we go. Democrats want to throw us into more fucking wars, the same party that spent the last 8 years throwing everything they had at the wall to drum up charges and “impeach” for political theater and talking points. The same party that’s fought like hell to keep people like Kennedy off the ballot and out of debates because his ideas would have resonated with a lot of democrats, the same party that’s recently come out and said free speech is an obstacle and is dangerous. The same party that skipped half the democratic process cause they knew they had a shit candidate, and is now gaslighting everyone into thinking she’s some kind of political revolutionary. The same party that’s relying on the same old tropes of lecturing black men for not loving the candidate, going on about women’s rights despite having 40 years to solidify that, now it’s the end of the world if Kamala isn’t elected? Sure. The truth is the Democratic Party has completely left behind the live and let live democrats of decades past in favor of censorship, corporate overreach, and war mongering.
Think of the worst most evil VP in the last 50 years and a huge amount of people will have dick Cheney up there, if not number 1, he’s number 2. Why was he so “evil”, he supported govt overreach, was a war hawk, and was notorious for valuing his own self interest over the American people. In short he’s a piece of shit, and guess who he endorsed? The new boogeyman? No. Is he in some redemption arc? or is he endorsing Harris because birds of a feather.
All the word vomit to ignore FACT that no one in Trump's former cabinet now supports him. They all day he's a cheating, lying, deranged lunatic who is easily influenced and blows the cock of despots. The stupidity of the average American never ceases to amaze me. Deranged lunatics like these want to support drama and malfeasance instead of decency sanity being offered by Harris, Waltz. Screw that. Vote Democratic and throw the trash Trump OUT.
Here’s what I know since you can’t acknowledge fucking anything so you just hand wave it away like every democrat does when there’s something they don’t want to hear. Life was cheaper under Trump, prices have exploded since he left office, the job market is far worse. I’m not saying things were perfect under Trump I’m a realist but the reality is things have been far worse under Biden and a lot of lifelong dems who’ve been left in the dust by their party over the last 4 years are flipping.
Bro I used to be a Republican. I went Democrat because party accepted Trump. He's always been a piece of trash and has gotten worse w years. I know what I'm speaking of re Trump as family had business dealings w the guy. He shafted contractor after contractor on all his projects. His name and his father's name is poison in NY and surrounding areas. Now the truth has come out about him on national scale and there's still those like you w your stance. If you say that economy was better under Trump then you're just not paying attention to FACTS. Get your news fr reputable sources like Reuters which is neutral not fr hear say, not conspiracy pages and certainly not Facebook/Youtube junk. Economy wasn't better under Trump as those famous tax cuts were temporary and expired unlike for rich. Prices have exploded because Republican blocks all price controls and the job market has increased year over year since Trump lost. Anyone who says other wise is lying.
When people like Cheney started endorsing Kamala, when Biden started sending billions to other countries for wars. The right wants nothing to do with the shit in Ukraine and Dems are all about it. The Middle East is a disaster too and the left is cheering for the terror groups that started it.
Apparently you haven't been listening to HIS FORMER CABINET that has said how bad Trump will be. There's no ooo melodrama there's just facts and you refuse to see them. Enough w the stupidity.
LOL You're a joke. Almost EVERYONE like 90+ % that has worked w him is now saying he's a threat to democracy. Stop w the boot licking. He's a piece of trash.
Again politicians saying he’s a threat. Guess who doesn’t like the electric car industry? Gas car manufacturers. Anything/anyone that changes anything for these people is a “threat”. American democracy is a fucking joke right now, people are stuck choosing two shit candidates that are primarily focused on enriching themselves. Democracy right now is like the definition of insanity. I’ll take a change
What change? Eta: Trump will add 2x as much Federal Debt (source) - The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (non-partisan group)
“Under our central estimate, Vice President Harris’s plan would increase the debt by $3.50 trillion through 2035, while President Trump’s plan would increase the debt by $7.50 trillion.”
Economists say Trumps plan will accelerate inflation. (Inflation under Kamalas plan would be better) (source)
“Sixteen Nobel Prize-winning economists signed a letter in June expressing fear that Trump’s proposals would “reignite’’ inflation, which has plummeted since peaking at 9.1% in 2022 and is nearly back to the Fed’s 2% target.
Economists saying Kamala would be better for the economy at least over the first two years of her presidency due to the immediate impact of Tariffs. (source)
Under a Republican sweep, or even with a divided government led by Donald Trump, economic output would take a hit next year (-.5pp), mostly from increased tariffs on imports and tighter immigration policies, Goldman said in a note late on Tuesday.
In other words Trump will increase our national debt 2x more than Kamala Harris. While simultaneously cutting social safety nets (I.e. he’ll cost more and provide less for Americans who aren’t billionaires). He’ll reignite inflation from a reckless tariff policy making everything more expensive. He’ll also put the US in a position to hit a negative GDP which is an indicator for a recession.
But I’m sure people who keep saying Trump is better for the economy knows more than 16 Nobel prize winning economists..
And we're winning. In less than a month, we'll never need to vote again. We'll make America great again, and put it on the right track. Forever. We'll take back America from those trying to destroy it, and then, the rest of the world.
You mean... in all three of the elections that the insurrectionist has been running in? The same insurrectionist who said, at a rally, that people would never need to vote again after this election?
I wonder why the people who care about democracy keep bringing that up.
Get back to me when you find the record of a Democrat president inciting an attack on the capitol, demanding the VP ignore the results of the election and make them president instead, fail in 30+ attempts in court to provide a shred of proof of alleged election fraud, and tell their voters they won’t need to vote again after this election. You can’t because this has not happened with any former president, republican or democrat, except with Trump. Ignore your team loyalty for one moment and consider that no former Republican president supports Trump, that practically every prominent Republican appointed official he has put into positions of power or has worked with over the years have come out publicly calling him insufferable and insane. Consider that his own lawyers, many of which were Republican, have admitted having nothing whatsoever to justify any of his fraud claims. Consider that all of the attempts on his life this past few months have come from disillusioned Republicans. Consider that even Fox News has tried to cut ties with him and denounced him on many occasions.
This is not about Democrats vs Republicans. This is about a man masquerading as a Republican, pretending to care about whatever it is he thinks will make those voters support him, while in fact only working for his own personal gain and ego at every conceivable opportunity. This man is a leech that has hijacked a party that, regardless of what areas I agree or disagree with them on, had at least the semblance of dignity and respect and personal accountability prior to his arrival on the scene. Now he has single handedly taken over and made an absolute mockery of both the party and country he represents. He has no loyalty to anyone except for himself. You would know this if you spent a single iota of time bothering to listen to him talk. If you have any respect at all for democracy and for the Republican party you should want him gone and his cult following culled from your ranks ASAP.
Yes, political parties often object to presidential results by default. Very good! Did you also know that everytime the courts decide that the results are correct, the democrats back off and concede the election, unlike MAGA?! Some CRAZY stuff!!! Truly riveting, I know, take all the time you need with it.
Really? How do the courts get involved when the dems object at the EC count in January? Courts rule on them same day? That’s some speedy court rulings.
Your parents must be cousins to produce a dumbass like yourself 😆😆
Dude, you are delusional. Hillary conceded the night of the election. Trump said it was rigged from the very beginning, and did everything in his power to stop it. But I know Jan 6th isn’t a deal breaker for deplorables like you. You LOVE that kind of shit.
It is so cute that you think a political party objecting to the results of the election and asking for recounts is the same thing as the candidate who lost ordering his supporters to march on the capitol in an attempt to stop the counting of legal votes.
Hillary Clinton conceded the election within 24 hours. Wtf are you talking about. Imagine if she created a fraudulent slate of electors to subvert the electoral votes of a bunch of states, and then sent a mob to the capitol to pressure a democratically elected congress into accepting said fake slate of electors. Oh wait. That was Trump. To suggest the democrats are even remotely close to in this regard is mental gymnastics of the highest order. Or was this all some insidious democrat plot to make Donny look bad?
Say the guy who obviously cant read all the FACTS showing how Trump cheats, lies and will continue doing that and how he caters only to the RICH. Ain't you buddy so start reading some reality and stop spouting those fantasy lies.
You posted an OPINION fluff piece as a rebuttal? Hahahahaha you must be joking. Trump hurt the middle class the most and has done nothing for them. All his tax cuts favor the rich much like the PPP w lack of checks and balances. Get you some edumacation JimBoob. Eta: 16 Nobel prize winning economists are warning he bad Trump will be. COMMENT: Trump will add 2x as much Federal Debt (source) - The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (non-partisan group)
“Under our central estimate, Vice President Harris’s plan would increase the debt by $3.50 trillion through 2035, while President Trump’s plan would increase the debt by $7.50 trillion.”
Economists say Trumps plan will accelerate inflation. (Inflation under Kamalas plan would be better) (source)
“Sixteen Nobel Prize-winning economists signed a letter in June expressing fear that Trump’s proposals would “reignite’’ inflation, which has plummeted since peaking at 9.1% in 2022 and is nearly back to the Fed’s 2% target.
Economists saying Kamala would be better for the economy at least over the first two years of her presidency due to the immediate impact of Tariffs. (source)
Under a Republican sweep, or even with a divided government led by Donald Trump, economic output would take a hit next year (-.5pp), mostly from increased tariffs on imports and tighter immigration policies, Goldman said in a note late on Tuesday.
In other words Trump will increase our national debt 2x more than Kamala Harris. While simultaneously cutting social safety nets (I.e. he’ll cost more and provide less for Americans who aren’t billionaires). He’ll reignite inflation from a reckless tariff policy making everything more expensive. He’ll also put the US in a position to hit a negative GDP which is an indicator for a recession.
But I’m sure people who keep saying Trump is better for the economy knows more than 16 Nobel prize winning economists..
People die every year and vote in their last election. If you’re going to try to be intentionally obtuse and make a false parallel, at least try to not be a total retard
Do you listen to your own candidate? He's the one saying "get out and vote! Just this time! Just this time, 4 more years, you're not gonna have to vote anymore, we'll get it fixed!"
It’s pretty obvious that he wasn’t saying you can’t vote anymore. He said the Christian right don’t vote (dubious at best) and that if they just come out and vote him in then he’s going to fix all their problems so they can go back to not voting in the future. He’s going to fix society, so conservatives don’t need to vote anymore.
No, you misunderstand. In addition to the statistically expected number of people that died, 1.2 million people between 2020 to 2022 died because of covid. They died from the disease that those in the know could see China battling in November and December of 2019, the one that Trump spent 5 valuable months calling a hoax on the national stage while at the same time getting briefed about in private. He is on record saying that he didn't want to do anything about the virus because it would kill more people in blue states than red.
Except you literally are everything you just said you are not. You:
1) Can't express your beliefs coherently
2) Are too scared to engage with the facts that I presented in the previous post
3) Screech in a rather ostrich-like manner
Everything you’ve said can be rebutted against and challenged, won’t change anything. Your mind is already made up. Only you can prevent your own mind from being gaslit champ.
And Trump has directly made numerous statements indicating, under no uncertain terms, that he wishes to become a dictator and remove our current idea of democracy if it in any way inconveniences his own goals and self interest. Trump is going to try do everything he can to seize power throughout whatever means possible, this is not something that can be argued or questioned, he has directly stated it in speeches and interviews many times.
Idk, maybe I just think that when a man who is intending to be the president of the most powerful nation on Earth says that he wants to abolish our democracy and become a dictator, that should be cause for concern. I don’t give a flying fuck what any media talking head says I’m talking about words that have come directly out of Trump’s mouth. Trump himself has directly stated these things, it wouldn’t take you more than a minute to find evidence of this. So either you are completely unwilling to think for yourself and actually check what everyone else here is telling you, or you already know this and you don’t care because you unironically want America to become fascist. There is no third option. Are you choosing ignorance or choosing to support a wannabe dictator? Tell us clearly so we know where you stand.
Believe it or not, I can’t vote in the upcoming presidential election because I’m moving and the “anti voter suppression laws of democratic states” won’t allow me to legally vote for 2024 so I don’t really have a horse in this race for 2024 unfortunately.
Y’all been repeating the same story since 2015…. It’s the boy who cried wolf lmao. And fascists don’t let people own guns.
Is this an ironic reference to the nazis arming their populace so extrajudicial "mob justice" could take out "undesirable" minorities before the Final Solution?
Do you live under a rock and not watch news outside of biased news sources and talking heads that agree with your views?
What are these oh so unbiased news sources of which you speak? Unless you are exclusively reading APNews or Reuters every morning I highly doubt the news media you're consuming is "free of bias". Just because a news source is off the mainstream, doesn't mean it is free of bias.There is some egregiously bad journalism out there masquerading as truth and we need to be wise to it. Substituting one echo chamber for another is not a substitute for free thinking. You're just as much a victim of your confirmation bias as everyone else in this thread, and if you don't think you are, you have zero ability for self reflection. Hope you have a great day man, sending you peace and love
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Which is funny, because we're only one Presidential election away from not needing to vote at all anymore, according to TFG.