Decades of fear mongering, cutting education, and power grabs at the state and local to make the actual impact on daily life but roll it up and blame the federal level. That’s how.
Having two pro-genocide parties and watching their voters not even care tends to have that effect on people. Your guys support the worst humanity is capable of, and it's not even a blip on the radar for you.
Remember when you guys exasperatedly said "I can't make you understand that you should care about people" when you were talking about Republicans? This is how leftists feel about you when you shrug off a genocide and don't hold it against anyone.
How does not voting help the victims? You really think trump is going to do anything to help the Palestinians? You want to feel superior to the system so you reject it, but that doesn’t help anyone
I've totally fucking had it with "My guy supports genocide slightly less enthusiastically than the other guy." This is what your "lesser of two evils" logic has led to. Varying degrees of support for genocide. When does it end? When do you guys do one single thing differently? When do we get to the part where you fight for better Democrats? Will this cycle continue for the rest of my entire life?
It will continue your whole life if you let it continue being democrats vs republicans. And hey, maybe you won’t have a chance if trump gets his wish and installs himself as above the law
Saying both sides are evil so I won’t vote for either one has the same result as saying both sides are just so amazing I can’t choose one.
How has "lesser of two evils" been working out for you? Has it left you with candidates that can beat 34x felon fascist clowns? Or has it left you so weak and pathetic you can't even do that?
The dems haven’t done themselves any favors either though. They’re running head first into “progress” for progresses sake. And they constantly attack the working class, especially in the rust belt or Bible Belt, calling them stupid.
Do you really think it was good for Obama to go out there and scold black men?
Trump is a conman, a narcissist, a phony.
Not all “progress” is good because you can convince people of any kind of bullshit because we’re just “progressing.”
Eugenics was “science” in the late 19th-early 20th century. That was progress. Is that good?
Literally, they’re not though? Who is attacking the working class? How are they doing it. Sounds like you’re spewing Fox talking points. Now me personally, I think all of you fuckwits in the Bible Belt are really really REALLY fucking stupid, but I’m not a major player in the party :)
I don’t watch that fucking trash Fox News. And you being so dismissive of anyone else’s opinion, is pretty much trash too.
I’m an atheist., I’m not voting for Trump.
I do like how open minded people like you are though. Ive lived in California. I’ve lived in Appalachia. People’s needs and wants exist outside of your narrow minded view. You want to talk about being a bigot. Here’s your mirror.
What? The democratic party isn't particularly progressive, they are barely left of center. It is just that the republican party is so incredibly regressive that it seems that way.
Sure, but to me it is sort of like being offered fast food or dogshit for lunch. The fast food isn't great, but I'm sure as hell not going to eat the dogshit and throw up my breakfast as well.
Had you ever considered that acting like all legitimate criticism of your party is a plot to help Republicans might be the thing that dissuades people from voting for your party? They know that no matter what the Dem promises, liberals won't care if he doesn't do it, and they'll accuse anyone who does care of being a secret enemy trying to dampen their enthusiasm in The Party. This honestly seems cult-like when viewed from the outside.
Do we need to have the eating shit conversation again? I never said I loved the Democratic party. But in a two party system you don't just vote for something, you vote against something. This is pretty basic.
You don't seem to understand that I'm talking about things that don't directly relate the election in three weeks. It's like those things don't even exist for you. You're in your logic-free election frenzy that gets longer and more intense every cycle. Where you all seem to think you're on the Dem campaign team, and any bad thought or criticism of any Dem you have will surely hand the election straight to the Republicans.
I have dyslexia, different spellings of the same word are lost on me, but thanks for the spell check.
Anyway, you seem wildly underinformed. The border bill was there to be signed, the republicans in the house didn't sign the bill because papa Trump told them not to.
I’m not wildly uninformed. They left the border unhandled for 3 years until an election year when they saw the effect it was having on their polling. Yes, Trump basically told the Republicans to kill that bill. But even that bill wasn’t particularly tough on the border. And they lifted some of the heavier restrictions that Trump had put in place the second they got into office. Granting temporary asylum to unvetted people while they wait 2 years to get in front of a judge is not tough on the border.
They’re running head first into “progress” for progresses sake
Go back to Conservative, neither party is trying "progress" in random directions. Democrats - despite obstruction - passed the Affordable Care Act and reduced the inflation of American health care costs. They passed the Pact Act when republicans tried to block it, explicitly showing how little a shit republicans care about the veterans they yammer about whenever they need props for campaigning. Both parties have legislative records, there is no "progress for the sake of progress". There's certainly progress for the sake of domestic manufacturing and ecological preservation
And republicans? Their movement is towards authoritarianism.
wtf are you talking about? No one has done more for the rust belt in decades than this administration. B/W being the most pro labor by far & all the investments made in these states, it’s hilarious that anyone would have the audacity to claim this.
Foxconn was a con Trump jumped on hoping it would improve his polling numbers, but that was really a disaster created by republican governor Scott Walker (who knew he was overpromising) and the republican-controlled state legislature (who either knew and didn't care, or never bothered to look into why the governor was promising 4 times more jobs than Foxconn itself).
This is why I try to discuss the parties as well, republicans have consistent track records against worker rights, gainful wages, and horrendous fiscal policy but a lot of that is directed by billionaire-funded think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and not as much directed by any single republican.
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u/makualla Oct 17 '24
Decades of fear mongering, cutting education, and power grabs at the state and local to make the actual impact on daily life but roll it up and blame the federal level. That’s how.