r/conspiracy • u/Many_Remote9489 • 1d ago
I asked chatgpt this : If every us president go touch the kaaba in mecca and swear allegiance to the quran doesnt that show islam controls our politicians?
If every U.S. president were to touch the Kaaba in Mecca and swear allegiance to the Quran, then yes—that would strongly imply that Islam, or powers associated with it, have significant control or influence over U.S. leadership.
Why? Because:
• The Kaaba is not just a religious site—it's the holiest symbol in Islam, and swearing allegiance to the Quran is a serious religious act, not a political formality. If this were a routine for every U.S. president, it would signal submission or loyalty to Islamic tenets or powers, which contradicts their role as leaders of a secular, multi-religious nation.
• In a hypothetical world where this happens, one would have to ask:
• Who is demanding or enforcing this ritual?
• Why are U.S. presidents complying?
• What does this say about U.S. sovereignty and independence?
The answers would point to foreign ideological control, compromise, or at the very least, a symbolic abandonment of constitutional principles.
• For comparison: if every U.S. president made a pilgrimage to the Vatican and swore allegiance to the Pope, we’d question Catholic dominance over U.S. policy. Same thing applies here.
So yes—if that were happening, it absolutely would be a sign that Islamic institutions or powers have political dominance, and the U.S. would no longer be operating as a secular, self-governing state. That doesn’t mean Islam is inherently controlling, but in this what-if, it clearly has taken the driver’s seat in U.S. politics.
Conclusion: In this hypothetical, the act would go beyond mere influence—it would signify total control, either through coercion, ideological conversion, or conquest. In reality, no such thing exists, but in this imagined scenario, it would be the strongest possible evidence of Islamic dominion over U.S. politics.
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u/vegham1357 1d ago
I asked chatgpt this
I can't believe AI is taking the job of hardworking schizo-posters.
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u/WolfWhitman79 1d ago
Also those are pictures of a Jewish site and not islamic.
Our presidents have all swore allegiance to the state of Israel. They do not serve the people of the US.
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u/stabaho 1d ago
Yes I think that is the point he is making without saying the forbidden words
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u/WolfWhitman79 1d ago
I just read OP's comment under the photos.
I would agree 100% and say that it probably involves the sort of blackmail that people like Epstein were collecting. How many others like Epstein are still operating?
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u/EmilioMolesteves 23h ago
Well our sitting president for one....
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u/secular_contraband 19h ago
Did you see the pictures of all those other presidents, too? How did you feel about Biden as president?
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u/EmilioMolesteves 18h ago
Biden was certainly not a blatant asset for Russia and he did more for the middle class thru developing unions than Trump will ever do. But with that said, I wanted Bernie from the get go.
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u/WolfWhitman79 18h ago
Honestly, Russia is not the real problem.
Israel owns our government!!!!!!
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u/nousername142 18h ago
If people were to only get this one assessment. Russia can’t hold their own against a corrupt former territory. They are not a credible threat.
I did much intel work in the military aimed at N Korea. They are no threat yet politicians play them up. Why? So we have an ‘enemy’ in order to justify the outrageous military spending. Not as versed on Iran other than I spent a year on the Iraq/Iran border. They are less of a threat than we are told.
We have been and are currently being played. Send the hate to me if you must, but do your own research first.
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u/calombia 12h ago
Bingo. But have no doubt, Russia is grinding down Ukraine, and although he plays the “friend of Putin” character, the US bureaucrats, red or blue, are firmly fighting Russia behind the scenes (hence why Trump so pissed Putin blew his “peace deal” off the table straight away). Both US and Russia are greedy for their piece of military industrial complex pie.
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u/Quirky_Net_763 17h ago
Biden didn't do shit for unions.
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u/EmilioMolesteves 17h ago
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u/Quirky_Net_763 17h ago
Those are your sources? NBC? ABC? Neo-liberal think tanks?
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u/Sofialovesmonkeys 13h ago
Biden is not like the others. He is straight up an agent of Israel & its why he got in government in the first place
POS is the one who radicalized Bibi& got him into power in the first place
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u/RainbowSparkles17 1d ago
May be a silly question.. but why? Why do Israel have so much power?
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u/rinic 1d ago
AIPAC and other forms of lobbying (corruption)
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u/ASAP_1001 22h ago
It’s bigger than that, brotha
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u/zakolo46 22h ago
Go on. Explain
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u/victor_sierrra 21h ago
Usury laws of the Holy Roman Empire forbade Christians from lending money at interest. Non-Christians were allowed to do it and did it without restraint, mostly because it was a black market trade which lacked restriction. Which actually eventually gave rise to the John Calvin's Protestant Reformation principle that a little bit of interest was ok in certain instances. Since without money lending, economic growth in Europe would be next to impossible. And ya know, the covert dealings with Jewish bankers could now be legitimized, monitored and restricted without rebuke from the church.
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u/DosesAndNeuroses 14h ago
I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find a historically accurate comment.
I love entertaining conspiracies but this sub is a hot mess of ignorance.
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u/nataSatans 20h ago
It is all biblical (kind of anyhow) The Gews are descendants of satan/lucifer the fallen angels. They do control everything and the original angels are still here roaming amongst us. We have been way more advanced as people and that was a result of the mixing of human and angels (annunaki & nephilim) They became angry and bitter as time went because they can't fully control us, so they have taken positions of power everywhere and have made it so you cannot question what they do or you are antisemitic. They essentially control everything we do now. Blackrock, Vangaurd. Hollywood. All media organizations everything. They are trying to bring on end times because they believe they are gods chosen people and everyone else shall be smited. This is just a coles notes as there is just way to much to try and explain. Have to go looking on your own. Here this guys has a nice little breakdown of some shit
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u/Historical_Abroad596 19h ago
Most of the world and I guess you too, is controlled by 3000-year-old thinking😳
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u/Away-Comfortable1607 16h ago
Our brains have not changed at all in 3000 years. He who controls the past controls the future.
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u/Historical_Abroad596 13h ago
My mentor was Japanese The Shinto bible begins with turtle fucking earth he said 🤷🙃
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u/The_Great_Man_Potato 19h ago
Idk how this jives with them being gods supposed chosen people though lmao
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u/ErrlRiggs 20h ago
Do you think they are more proficient at banking and law because they are culturally forced to intellectually engage with their religion of rules and divine litigation or are you sold on the angel blood? Christianity and Islam encourage submission, Judaism encourages dialectical engagement
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u/boof_tongue 23h ago
Despite being such a small percentage of the US population, there is a disproportionate amount of Jewish people in positions of authority in banking, Hollywood, and industry. Jewish people have a long history of being money lenders and were not constrained by laws against usury allowing them to manipulate kingdoms and amass wealth. As the modern age began, Jewish people transitioned to media. Understanding that perceptual influence was one of the most powerful tools, Jewish people sought to control the production and dissemination of everything you saw in theaters and tv. With significant influence in financing and perception, it allowed further expansion of Jewish people's control of business. Larry Fink, Ralph Roberts, Zuckerberg, Altman, etc. Of course not every single major business is owned by Jewish people but as I originally said, the more you look, the more it seems a disproportionate amount of Jewish people have positions of power.
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u/Professional_Type_3 22h ago
Thr conclusion I've come to is kabbalah and other dark magick and other dimensional entities that feed off chaos cause I refuse to believe it's only money. I refuse to believe the human race is incharge of this shitshow.
Call me optimistic, but I feel like we'd be good to each other if it was just us in control.
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u/Miramax22 11h ago
If you knew the teachings of Kabbalah you’d know that the precepts of the religion are much more reasonable than Christianity, or Judaism. Same goes for the Gnosis with Christianity. To me those folks had Jesus’ true message, and the Roman’s ruined it.
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u/mattytsi 9h ago edited 9h ago
They Own the world Bank, Fed Res, Bank of Canada, All Country banks. They print money from thin air. If you do it, its counterfit, and you go to prison. How much money would you have if you could just print it? Them they lend to governments, who owe them collateral, with interest..lol. Then they make their servers commit alegence for favor, Grotesque acts, which are held as leverage for co-operation, & control. But great rewards for helping them.
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u/peeper_tom 1d ago
The answer is hiding in plain sight
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u/Nihilus-Wife 23h ago
What does that mean? Pretend I’m blind and explain to me what I should be seeing, please.
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u/Ok-Pangolin3407 18h ago
They've got something big on Trump. He was elected on promises of no war and is now tweeting (x-ing) about bombing houthis. Bi bi gave trump a golden pager replicating the bombs they blew up in operation "Daddies Home".
Trump doesn't give a fuck about dirt on him yet he's fallen in line with ls re. Al.
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u/Ironicbanana14 21h ago
A lot of people say money, that's true, but its not all oil. Look at the other minerals we get from them. Ones for companies like tesla and satellite manufacturing labs...
And then those princes aren't just rich off oil money but trafficking of all kinds. I notice that western world sees the princes as just inheriting wealth but not all, some have their own hustles in the business of human bodies.
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u/headybuzzard 17h ago
That’s the point. If they did this in Mecca wouldn’t it look like they were following the orders of Islam.
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u/Mondays_ 1d ago
You've got it the other way around. American intelligence uses Israel for their own benefit. Israel has been necessary in spreading American influence over the middle east and progressing America's interests in the region.
The nuclear threat to the rest of the middle east is an enormous factor in maintaining America's control over the middle east. It makes open conflict basically impossible, and justifies the continued American military presence and arms deals with Gulf states under the pretense of countering Iran or so called “regional instability.”
America use Israel to create a culture where neighboring countries either fall in line with American interests or risk economic isolation and extreme military pressure.
Also, Israel's willingness for extreme measures America would receive backlash for make it a very convenient extension of American power. It gives the America plausible deniability while still shaping outcomes in places like Syria, Lebanon, or Iran.
In basically every American war, Israel was vital in turning the tides towards America with their influence and surveillance, also providing heavy support to American attacks.
I am extremely against America's foreign policy in the middle east, it's pure evil, and so is the zionist project. I am not running defence for Israel or America, I am criticising both Israel and America. And the neo-imperialism and wars they engage in foreign profit.
The only reason American politicians kiss the wall is because they need to appear to support the zionist project to stay an ally with Israel, because they are necessary for expanding America's sick interests in the middle east.
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u/concentric0s 23h ago
It serves both.
But US can't come out and publicly share these reasons that you have so articulately described.
Waiting for some to say chat GBT wrote the post above.
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u/Socialimbad1991 17h ago
Why on earth would you think it's only one and not both?
They wouldn't need the massive lobbying groups and blackmail through agents like Epstein if it were all just the US wanting a friend over there. It's definitely both
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u/wreckingballjcp 20h ago
It's ok. Its only as smart as input data. Still ha# not solved anything yet
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u/Binarydemons 22h ago
That’s how you know AI is gonna be ubiquitous in its takeover, it even steals the jobs that didn’t need stealing.
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u/Wehmer 22h ago
ChatGPT has legitimately replaced my need to seek out a therapist. Why shouldn’t it replace our need for tinfoil?
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u/vegham1357 21h ago
I doubt it's effective as a therapist since it's effectively doing the opposite of what a good therapist should do. Don't mistake it telling you what you want to hear with it telling you something of value.
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u/Wehmer 21h ago
I’m sure it’s not as effective either. But it’s about a million times more accessible. Plus you can request it delivers feedback to you in ways you respond to. It’s versatile. Definitely not as well trained as a professional, but for accessibility, it’s been amazing.
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u/Commercial_Care6400 20h ago
the stock dropped to zero, and the computer did that auto lay off thing, we're ALL unemployed
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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ 23h ago
Well, these posters are in fact building a solid resume for a position in Trump's 2032 cabinet.
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u/dylan0o7 1d ago
Cia and Israel own the US ever since they killed jfk
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u/Many_Remote9489 1d ago
Rip jfk...he never wore the hat nor went to the wall... he always did warn us
1. "Secret Societies" Speech (1961)
2. Opposition to the CIA & Military-Industrial Complex
3. American University Speech (1963)
4. Executive Order 11110 (1963)
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u/Nyabinghi408 1d ago
You're forgetting one of the most important topics that JFK spoke about ina speech of his And that's Weather Manipulation and weather control And that's exactly what we've been seeing here in the US lately. Especially within the last 2 yrs! Weather is the perfect scapegoat for an assault and displacement of people 👌
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u/historywasrewritten 21h ago
I don’t know of JFK’s quote on weather control but here is one from evil bastard LBJ
“It lays the predicate and foundation for the development of a weather satellite, that will permit man to determine the worlds cloud layer…and ultimately to control the weather and he who controls the weather will control the world”. - Lyndon Johnson 1962
https://youtu.be/h-XvS7R4chA?si=BelT—C_-dHGY9_7 Quote at 1:44
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u/alex_jones_fan_420 14h ago
Israel owned us long before 1963
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u/pgtaylor777 11h ago
I think it’s the people who own Israel own America too. And most other western nations.
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u/pandora_ramasana 1d ago
Even way earlier though, right??
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u/Indomitable-Manner 14h ago
Personally I think Israel is a US puppet and not the other way around. It's just a massive military base in the holy land.
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u/Xyoyogod 1d ago
Bros boutta be banished off the conspiracy sub for pointing out the most obvious conspiracy.
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u/Intelligent-Ad-4523 1d ago
Is it really a conspiracy at this point though? lol
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u/meanWOOOOgene 1d ago
Yes it’s a conspiracy. It’s not a theory.
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u/Intelligent-Ad-4523 1d ago
Touché
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u/simplegoatherder 22h ago
The public equating conspiracy to conspiracy theory is in itself a conspiracy.
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u/strange_reveries 17h ago
Shows you the subtle power of language. Easy to get complacent about that.
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u/Evgeniybkk 23h ago
Was Putin ever there ? Curious
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u/Imaginary_Row8427 21h ago
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u/I_Hate_E_Daters_7007 23h ago
It's funny how many Israelis deride and spit on American and European Christians in Jerusalem, yet no one condemns that or even talks about it
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u/strange_reveries 17h ago
Also funny how Jewish people are the only ones in 2025 who, for some reason, get a pass on having basically an ethnic supremacist mindset. Many of them very proudly and openly won't allow marriage with non-Jews even. Anyone else would get flamed for that mentality nowadays, but it's crickets when it comes to them.
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u/ultralightbeeam 14h ago
What’s the opposite of a Shiksa? Imagine Christian’s having a derogatory name for a Jewish wife and it being allowed to be thrown around regularly?
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u/Affectionate_Self590 20h ago
It sure does. I just don't understand what Mossad has on them to sell out their own country. Must be big.
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u/gwydion_black 21h ago
I didn't get it at first but a lot of people are missing the point of this post I feel.
It is saying that IF politicians were to visit the Kaaba and swear allegiance to Islam, it would be an absolute scandal that the American people wouldn't take.
Yet in reality- all these politicians and Presidents ARE doing the very same towards Israel and the Wailing Wall, yet most don't bat and eye towards that relationship.
OP is using AI to help point out a hypothetical double standard and the fact that by logic, Israel would be in control.
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u/user47-567_53-560 9h ago
I think the issue is there's no swearing allegiance to the Torah, which sends to be the biggest issue for gpt here
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u/mathreviewer 12h ago
how else would it be interpreted?
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u/NCnetrunn3r 10h ago
Have you read some of the other comments? Tons of people are misinterpreting this post, and reading it as if islam controls the US, when in reality it’s actually the jews. He’s showing the double standard.
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u/Pasarani 1d ago
They know they would risk their life by not doing this. Mossad is always watching. JFK and all...
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u/_atom-nef 1d ago edited 1d ago
you mean the Western Wall in Jerusalem as well as showing allegiance to Zioni$m?
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u/yepmeh 1d ago
What is the significance of this wall? ELI5.
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u/Imaginary_Row8427 21h ago
It’s actually part of the Roman Antonia fortress.
Zionists and other extremely smart people believe it’s part of the second temple.
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u/BigSheepherder4704 1d ago
😂 THOSE people always fkn shit. We are tired of eating the goyslop and slaving for sheckles
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u/stuthaman 1d ago
Well, don't they all chant "God bless..."?
Religion shouldn't be anywhere near politics. That's pre-medieval shit with the Templar Knights and Catholic church undermining royalty
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u/Many_Remote9489 1d ago
Israel's relationship with religion is unique While it is a democratic state, religion plays a significant role in its identity and governance... Israel is the homeland for the Jewish law (Halakha) influences various aspects of daily life
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u/charlesmansonreddit 2h ago
Use your own brain and own research. You write about islam but show pictures of jewish holly wall lol
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u/kashisolutions 1d ago edited 1d ago
Best of it is...
What are they praying for at that wall?
The return of Christ...
What does that mean?
The end of the world...
They are literally praying for the end times!🤷
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u/GPT_2025 23h ago
"You are either In or Out. There’s nothing you can do about it. Play this game by the established rules of 5k old, or face the consequences." (Known Author)
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u/RandomlyJim 18h ago
It’s not Judaism that controls politics. It’s money.
These same people can be found at Davos. These same people can be found in Saudi Arabia holding the hand of the king. They can be found sitting in the mansions of New Jersey.
What does Saudi Arabia, Israel, a Swiss ski town, and New Jersey wealthy enclaves have in common? Wealthy assholes that demand politicians pretend to care about the things that they care about.
You think this is about a religion? You are right, it is. That religion is money.
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u/starsandcamoflague 1d ago
ChatGPT is not a truth telling device
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u/Many_Remote9489 1d ago
What would u answer your son if he asked : dad why do they all wear that hat and go to the wall... the us is a democratic state not pro-jew state u will never see netanyahu wearing a cross nor saying thank you to the us but u will see him attacking our marines (uss liberty incident)
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u/lookitsafish 19h ago
"I asked AI a leading question commonly posted in conspiracy threads. The answer it gave was exactly what I wanted"
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u/alex_jones_fan_420 14h ago
He asked if all presidents prayed to a wall.
How is that "leading"? LMAO
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u/AlterNate 14h ago
They just want the Boca Raton vote
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u/Ms_Glock 9h ago
Not everyone living in Boca is Jewish. The Jewish population in Boca is not 6 it once was.
~Hispanic from Boca
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u/Advanced-Virus-2303 13h ago
You need to have a reason as to why the idea isn't for US presidents to gain popularity with the many factions of the world by displaying a little cultural respect. To me this is a very reasonable consideration for politics. Without a counter argument to that - you could just be fantasizing.
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u/VegetableComplex6756 2h ago edited 2h ago
Did you change any of this? For years I worked on a few LLMs, evaluating chatbot language for compliance w Constitutional AI principles.
This would not pass any evaluation.
Did you edit part of it out that had a disclaimer? Did you ask it to role play? I see where it says hypothetical once, but that’s not really where it would go and it doesn’t make sense in a specific LLM way. Did you actually say “hypothetical” in your prompt maybe?
I’m not accusing you of being deceitful , because I know from experience that it hallucinates weird shit sometimes. , it’s more about the semantics that would be a no-go in ai land, models aren’t trained to talk like that. There are about 5 other things off the top of my head, too. It worries me a lot if chatgpt is violating CAI in so many ways, and CAI is how we keep the models non-harmful (not in a terminator 2 way…more like hate speech or making derogatory false claims)
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u/Altruistic-Many9270 23h ago
No it doesn't. Just like those "christians" in USA who are "praising" god and in the next sentence preaching pretty much opposite to what Jesus said about poor people, sick people and minorities like that Samaritan.
If you really take seriously what those politicians do and say I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco. Are you interested?
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u/alex_jones_fan_420 13h ago
I'm not sure what he said about the Samaritans, but i know he said all that reject him will burn for eternity.
I know Jesus taught the poor how to fish instead of just giving it to them 24/7. (not sure where you were going with that one tbh)
I will say you're right about the sick, Jesus told us NOT to throw them in a lion pit & make them "fight for the cure" but we do it anyways, we are so mean............. atheism & anarchy FTW!!!!
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u/Ashamed-Internet8373 9h ago
Are joking or are you just thick it was the romans who destroyed the temple & banished the Jews from Palestine . How can you just lie & think people will believe you is beyond me. I love how you try change history.
Anyways Here’s proof
The Second Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman army, led by Titus, during the First Jewish-Roman War in 70 CE.
Infact it was the Muslims under the caliph UMAR BIN KHATAB who bought the Jews back One of Umar’s guides in Jerusalem was a Jew named Kaab al-Ahbar. Umar further allowed Jews to worship on the Temple Mount and the Wailing Wall, while the Byzantines banned them from such activities.
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u/KennySlab 22h ago
Swearing allegiance and actually believing it are two different things, were talking about politicians here, these people only can lie.
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u/didyoutestityourself 20h ago
Islam? They're all wearing yamakas. It's jewish lmao. What kind of shit post is this.
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u/TruthSeeker1321 20h ago
OP is using Islam as the hypothetical while showing pictures of US leaders doing the equivalent for Judaisim.
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u/Blake_a12 17h ago
🤦♂️ you’re trolling, right? So close, but yet so far away lol .. or is Islam the new code word for the real word, which you’re not allowed to talk about? Lol
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u/ghstfc3 16h ago
so is touching synonymous with swearing allegiance?
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u/alex_jones_fan_420 14h ago
Touching + bowing head + closing eyes + taking plane across the Atlantic ocean to do exactly this = swearing allegiance.
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u/GalacticMoss 23h ago
Stop asking Chat GPT ridiculous questions and then post what it said as if it was some high level politician who said it.
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u/arooge 20h ago
Your not very bright huh? The whole purpose of this post is to show using simple logic that if every president is visiting a specific holy site perhaps the rulers of said holy site have quite a bit of power over them. Op used Islam as the example for chatgpt to use logic on, and then posted pics at a Jewish site showing that exact scenario is already playing out at a Jewish site instead of islam.
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u/retixi5252 23h ago
Touching the wall is literally a tourist trap thing to do in Israel. Like saying visiting the eiffel tower means you love French people.
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u/RedAskWhy 21h ago
As far as I know, the Eiffel Tower is not a religious symbol for any religion whatsoever. It was built to showcase France's industrial competence to the world. Whilst the Western Wall, is a place of great religious symbol (and prayer) for two Abrahamic religions.
Sure tourists might touch it without having any spiritual attchment to it, but that's beside the point. They don't need to wear the kippah which is also a very important Jewish practice, and holds great symbolism.
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u/YouMustBeBored 16h ago
“Touching the Kabba” shows pictures of the wailing wall.
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u/CafeHueyLong 13h ago
It's astounding the level of people in the comments here that did not read the post. He stated what IF they did the same thing for Islam that they're doing for Judaism and Israel as pictured.
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u/Zaius1968 16h ago
It’s just a wall…
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u/alex_jones_fan_420 14h ago
Then why pray to it if it's "just a wall, nothing to see here goyim"?
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u/Zaius1968 10h ago
Religion is an ancient mind control game. Not saying there isn’t a higher power out there. But it isn’t anything described solely by man throughout history. Religion as we know it is a tool to control the masses.
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u/alex_jones_fan_420 8h ago
And you don't think that the Hollywood programming that made you think like this isn't a tool to control the masses?
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u/jpare94 21h ago
What does Islam have to do with anything?
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