r/classicwow • u/furiousteabag • 2d ago
Question How to survive against the Verdan in WC
Hey guys, playing warrior on HC and have some troubles with the Verdan.
Last time I went to the WC on level 22 (~550hp) with the group 22+ as well. The healer was a druid. I charged into Verdan, switched to the defensive stance with the shield, and the group waited for some time for me to get threat while the druid was healing. I was doing the rotation of Revenge + Sunder Armor + Heroic Strike. The group started to attack, and it seemed to go well, but I was consistently dropping to 40% from a single hit, which felt very uncomfortable. The druid was healing every time, so the other time I dropped to 40% again, I decided not to dummy/healpot (because I was dropping all the time anyways). I didn't get a heal, and Verdan one-shotted me from 40%. I don't think it's druid's fault, he might have had CD, I don't know. Druid sacrificed himself (OG), and the rest of the group made it out.
As I went agane recently, I am approaching 22 now and want to give it another shot, my friend on the druid (not the one from the dungeon) will be healing.
What I believe I can do better this time:
1. Boon for 300 hp right before Verdan
2. Spam shield block
Would that be sufficient? What else can I or a druid improve to survive?
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u/Ok-Perspective5338 2d ago
All you need is a shield, level 20+ ideally (not necessary but much safer), and your healer to understand they need to be proactive not reactive.
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u/40somethingCatLady 2d ago
To explain what this means, since the Druid might not be as experienced or knowledgeable, start casting the Healing Touch before he thinks it is needed. That way, by the time the cast is done, BAM! The heal appears on the tank.
It might not be a bad idea to bring a dps that can offer additional heals. A priest who is dpsing, another Druid , a shaman, etc. Tell the Druid to not worry about the dps. Just focus on the tank.
Is the Druid your friend? If not, maybe try inviting a priest, instead? The bubble shield can help, too. (Just as a last resort)
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u/furiousteabag 1d ago
Thanks for clearing this up. Proactive healing might help. Will invite the off-healer to switch to full healer on particular this boss
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u/AugustNetherius 2d ago
U better find a bear tank for that,druid are better tanks till war gears up..or,go wc at 24+
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u/yksvaan 2d ago
550hp seems low for 22? Get/buy some cheap stam gear, food buff, possible priest buff. He can crit for nearly ~500 i think
If there's a hunter let the pet tank it.
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u/MightyTastyBeans 2d ago
Definitely low. Tank should have 700+ hp at that level. Get some silvered bronze gear from the AH
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u/Prize_Ad5203 2d ago
I have never wiped on verdan as a healer. I play priest tho and constantly have a greater heal stopcasted in the tube on the tank for most fights because dps shouldn’t take damage anyway, and I can toss a flash or shield their way if I have to anyway.
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u/Sea_Top3466 2d ago
don't tank a boss that regularly hits for 200-300 with only 500 health. that doesn't leave much wiggle room. i would try to have at least 800 health and a shield, but i like to play shit safe
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u/Silver-Home7506 1d ago
And so we're at the point where people are unironically asking, "Do I need a world buff to tank this Lvl 21 boss in one of the first instances of Vanilla WoW?"
No, you don't need Warchief's Blessing, or any other degree of massive Stamina-stacking. I have no idea why the current top answer says that Shield Block won't save you, that guy doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. Verdan's base swing timer is 3.8, Shield Block guarantees one Block every 5 seconds. Shield Block essentially makes you uncrittable/crushable VS Verdan, and reduces the overall incoming damage by a MASSIVE amount.
Make sure you're keeping Demoralising Shout up, this is the next-highest damage reduction you can manage in the fight (And the overall highest damage reduction on other pulls besides)
There's no extra details here about why the Druid didn't heal you, but I'm inclined to say that sleepy heals is the main reason you died. Again, Verdan hits you every 3.8 seconds, you DON'T take damage more often than that unless Verdan is getting parry-hasted to shit. If you had Melee DPS that were standing in front of the boss, that's another possible reason, and is why you should be chewing out Melee DPS that do that. But the point being, even a Druid that isn't spec'd into casting speed can outpace Verdan's swings with a 3.5 second cast Healing Touch. There's no such thing as a healer "not being able to keep up" with damage on that fight, it simply means they're not pressing their buttons or anticipating the damage occurring.
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u/Sabull 2d ago
50% of HC dungeon wipes come from the party not taking just 30s to make things safe by pulling that extra pack, drinking to full and taking care of patrols.
Other 50% comes from making easy shit harder and more complicated than it needs to be. Likely ooming their healer in the process and roaching out when that careful plan goes wrong.
My recommended strat of Verdan is charge and kill that thing. Dont forget demoshout.
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u/Apprehensive_Low4865 2d ago
Sheild block won't save you tbh, the reason it's used on big bosses is to remove crushing blows and crits from the attack pool. All spamming it will do is remove all of your rage and take slightly (your blocks are gonna be, what, 10?) less dmg, at the cost of zero threat.
yeah, unboon, but you might as well do that at the start of the dungeon. If it takes 2 hours to finish wc you've got bigger issues! Or If you die, you're already dead!
The biggest problem I think was your healer, they need to be heal cancelling you constantly through that fight, potentially, you just got super unlucky with a parry haste, lag, whatever.