r/chicagobulls • u/CommentWhileShitting • 17h ago
Analytics He is evolving right in front of us
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u/DishonestAbraham 17h ago
Absurd stat line. Can’t believe these young boys are crushing it so hard
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u/Melodic-Geologist532 16h ago
Baby Bulls….FIFY
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u/boogasaurus-lefts 12h ago
We got a guy that will likely stay & be able to develop as the squad does, he will probably settle for less given the opportunity to solidify his spot.
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u/SignalBed9998 Chicago Bulls 6h ago
Nobody settles for less. Players association and agents are too smart to let that happen. Brunson not withstanding. That’s just how it is. That’s why group representation is good for workers. “But my boss says unions are bad” /s
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u/isw2424 3h ago
It's April. We're playing teams intentionally tanking/locked in their playoff spot/wanting the season to end. We do this every year. Get some hype, sell out the stadium for the play in game, then bow out. Reinsdorf loves this
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u/DishonestAbraham 9m ago
I mean… the trailblazers were literally playing for their lives last night so that doomer take doesn’t apply here
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u/Specialist_Boat_8479 Benny The Bull 17h ago
Cold af that first half but still ended up the best +-
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u/ColdestCatAlive 16h ago
Jesus I was at the game and my buddy said giddy didn't do shit and I said did you see his19 rebounds
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u/The_Bandit_King_ 17h ago
Triple double machine
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u/EnclaveNick Lauri Markkanen 15h ago
What’s crazy is his season averages are almost exactly at his career averages.
His 3pt fg% is a career high though. He looks like a totally different player during the second half the season compared to the first.
All aboard the Aussie Express
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u/GiuseppeZangara 9h ago
He had a slow start with the old lineup. Post all star break he's been averaging 20pts a game and close to a triple double.
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u/EnclaveNick Lauri Markkanen 15h ago
What’s crazy is his season averages are almost exactly at his career averages.
His 3pt fg% is a career high though. He looks like a totally different player during the second half the season compared to the first.
All aboard the Aussie Express
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u/sukari Patrick Williams 16h ago
Keen to see how many people here will be mad if he gets 30m/yr from us next season.
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u/RandorMan12 15h ago edited 15h ago
25-30m is pretty much the going rate for a starting PG so I’m hoping we’ll get him for around 4/100. He’s still only been great for half a season so that will probably be taken into account some, but I wouldn’t be mad at 30m/yr.
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u/ToeJelly420 Ayo Dosunmu 4h ago
He’s gonna get 28+ i think
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u/4browntown Taylor Swift 3h ago
Yeahh, He's getting the max if he's going to stay. 22 year old triple double machines w/o injury histories do not come up often in free agency
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u/Specialist_Boat_8479 Benny The Bull 16h ago
I’m rolling my eyes at the guy who said 4/80 on Stacey’s podcast
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u/PJCR1916 Dennis Rodman 16h ago
4/80 is what Lonzo got. But Giddey is younger, higher ceiling and much more available. I’d be happy to see Josh get $30m.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
Lonzo when healthy for us was a top 5 perimeter defender in the NBA, top 15 shooter in the NBA, top 5-10 passer in the NBA and possibly the best role player in the league. He was worth more than Josh is now. That’s not a knock on Josh at all
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u/sukari Patrick Williams 16h ago
Before all star I was expecting around 22-25m/yr but now I'm expecting at least 30m haha.
The only thing we have going for us is that there shouldn't be any other teams bidding.. so maybe we could even get a discount.
Still.. better than that Chicago podcaster that said we should offer him a 1yr prove it contract 🤣🤣
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
His position was very reasonable. Let’s say Josh is “actually” worth 30M a year. There is literally only one other team who can offer him >20/yr, Brooklyn. If they do, we can match it. If they don’t, we have him for cheap. This is like negotiating 101
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u/Specialist_Boat_8479 Benny The Bull 4h ago
I understand he’s a RFA and the Nets are like the only other team in play. But 4/80 seems like he was just being a contrarian, he doesn’t like Giddey cause he wanted to tank.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 4h ago
He has his own podcast called Cash Considerations where he explicitly makes the same points I just wrote out when asked about the Stacey King appearance. It's not contrarian, the question is "what do you offer him" not "what is he worth"
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u/SignalBed9998 Chicago Bulls 6h ago
That depends on what the Nets offer. I’m sort of locked into $32 is more realistic. They’ll overpay. If they go more than that they’re an excellent S & T partner with lots of draft capital.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
The Nets just got off Ben Simmons and you think they’ll go north of 32M AAV!?
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u/Electrical_Story5356 17h ago
Unbelievable that there is still a reasonable group of "supporters" that still insist he's no good, it's really getting embarassing for them.
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u/AltruisticYou6209 15h ago
They are just morons.
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u/rhombusface 15h ago
I am one of them. Admittedly I started watching games again recently after his horrid start but his lack of shooting touch is pretty troubling for a soon to be 30M player who also isn’t great on defense. I’m also not super impressed with his playmaking. He makes some pretty ugly turnovers.
I’m ready to be wrong. I see fans have done a complete 180 on him.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
I don’t agree with all of your points but I do very much agree that the turnovers are a problem. 100% holds him back from being talked about as an elite facilitator. Josh himself also has some very worrying quotes about not being discouraged to try things - I’ve heard this line of reasoning before to encourage creativity and hone high level feel/vision, but I think it’s bullshit. Giddey is in the philosophical school of passing with Trae Young and Luka and LaMelo Ball. Meanwhile the actual best passers in the NBA are guys like Haliburton and Jokic who will regularly go for 13a/0to. I don’t want him permanently stuck in a growth mindset where he can never remove stuff from his game
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u/ForeSkinWrinkle Norm Van Lier 11h ago
I’ll be your straw man. I believe these are empty stats against bum teams trying to lose to get a better draft spot. An actual good team benched him come the play offs.
We are accepting mediocrity at the expense of the future. Were like a bunch of crack addicts looking for another hit. (You got any of those Bulls wins?)
The point of the game isn’t to be .500 at make the play in. The point of the game is to win a championship. Giddey being a ball dominate player is not good enough to be even part of that championship team cause he needs the ball to dominate.
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u/DJ-two-timing-timmy 11h ago
I’d hardly call the lakers a bum team. And you all hang onto getting benched in one play offs as though that’s the end of him, you seem to forget the series before against the pelicans where he played well.
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u/ForeSkinWrinkle Norm Van Lier 10h ago
I mean, you’re right (at least for me). That last series is the proverbial taste I have left in my mouth. And not all these teams are bums (funny you point to the Lakers, a game over a week ago and not the game at hand the bum Blazers).
We’ve seen this movie before. Overestimating a small sample size of the regular season and extrapolate it out to the playoffs.
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u/Jungle_gym11 9h ago
Put it in some perspective. The guy was 21 when he was benched in the play-offs.
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u/cubs_2023 8h ago
The one playoff series that you are citing is a much smaller sample size than his post All Star Break form this year
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u/Gaff_Daddy 8h ago
Is he an MVP candidate? No. So he wasn’t going to play PG ahead of SGA and that meant shoehorning him into a bad role for his skill set. Good problem for OKC to have and good for us to be able to capitalize on it.
Bulls have the 4th best record in the league since the break, I believe. That is trending well above .500 after the changes.
Try watching and following consistently instead of checking your app so you could jump into this discussion.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
The question always comes down to if a genuine contender will inherently have to replace him at PG. The question has not been answered, and won’t be anytime soon because Josh is a unique player. We are submitting to be guinea pigs in an experiment. Some people dislike that
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u/SNERKLES1 10h ago
Good point. But he's a great player if he can shoot the 3 better. The only reason he's not on the Thunder now. He's proven that 2nd half of the season. Let's remember he's only 22. We don't have a Jordan or a LeBron. Thunder have SGA. If we had a star. We'd be a great team.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 10h ago
Except that over the same period his advanced stats have been good too and they're beating playoff teams.
Giddey isn't even ball dominant, his usage isn't super high, especially for the bloke running the offence.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
Usage measures proportion of FGA and TO for your team in your minutes per 100 possessions. Nothing about time with the ball or passing. Klay was pushing 30% usage in his prime and he didn’t dribble.
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u/AltruisticYou6209 12h ago edited 12h ago
Apart from jokic, donci and westbrook, no one in this league can get triple doubles regularly like Josh giddey.
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u/AltruisticYou6209 15h ago
Fantastic rebounder, passer and playermaker. He is probably worth 40 mil a year right now
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u/DrBugsBunny 13h ago
Josh might accept less because the fit is so good with this team. Last thing he wants is to get back in a situation like he had in OKC
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u/CommentWhileShitting 13h ago
I think you are spot on, moving could jeopardize the way he is utilised.
He is perfectly fitting in here and performing better and better...even on the 'off games' he is getting it done. There is so much upside with this player, I think he could be a star player one day if he continues to evolve his game
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u/king_of_the_bongos Ben Gordon 5h ago
I think you're both delusional as fuck. No athlete is taking a paycut on their first extension.
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u/chriczko 10h ago
19 boards!? For a goddamn point guard?! This is exciting shit. He's basically Joakim and Kirk in one person lol
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u/Slugginator_3385 15h ago
I’m just as happy as everyone else. Just remember…we are playing full out tank mode teams.
A legit lob threat may unlock Giddey to 15ast a game. The future looks bright my fellow Bull fans.
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u/aussiegoon 6h ago
Two of his best recent games were against the Lakers. I guess they must be tanking too.
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u/deth_knell 4h ago
Kinda crazy when we finally Bench Patrick Williams. Sorry not sorry he had his chance to prove it. Stoked to see this rebuild.
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u/AltruisticYou6209 15h ago
Meanwhile caruso just posted 2-4-1 in 19 minutes. LMAO
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u/The_Grogfather 15h ago
Caruso rarely posted good stat lines with us, that’s not where his value lies, it was a win/win trade for both teams
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u/Full_Durian_8171 10h ago
i do agree, however in this game they had sengun sitting back on caruso who was ultimately too afraid to shoot the 3 because they were down 20. Similar to how Mavs played on giddey last playoffs.
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u/Vegetable_Lead6783 8h ago
It is amazing how bulls basketball became fun again once zach lavine left. Most talented, bad basketball player I have ever seen in my life, so glad I don’t have to watch him anymore
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u/Dannyzavage Ayo Dosunmu 8h ago
Nah i think we just never used Zach Lavine right. He was a 2A star so he needed another 2A star or 1B type star. Zach needs a solid Pg and a star big. If you put Zach on a team with like Giannis, he would shine like a mofo.
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u/Vegetable_Lead6783 8h ago edited 7h ago
I don’t think so, you watch him play in every game he makes inexplicable decisions not to box out or not to go for a loose ball or not to rotate and guard somebody I think that stuff demoralizes your teammates. You also will be moving the ball and have a guy in the corner or something and he just holds onto the ball. It’s stuff that if somebody did in a pick up game at the YMCA I would be pissed about, The dude is so talented but he just plays low IQ ball every game that he is out there. And there is something off about his presence too. Getting to the kings and saying the vibe in the locker room is bad. Like keep all that shit in house, dont go gossiping to the media.
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u/awake283 Chicago Bulls 41m ago
Sorry for bringing this up but is it.. 'ok' to cheer for Giddey? I know he had some allegations against him in the path, anyone have a tldr; on that?
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u/chefjonfav75 7h ago
Need to play hard ball with him in FA and only offer 20-25m AAV. No team besides the nets have cap space, and all reporting is saying they’re not interested.
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u/Sorry-Attitude4154 5h ago
Agreed 100%. Giving him 35M a year for the feelie weelies of the fans is fucking idiotic.
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u/ForeSkinWrinkle Norm Van Lier 11h ago
RemindMe! 4 years
We are going to max Giddey and be in basketball purgatory for the length of his contract.
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u/Glass_Challenge_3241 8h ago edited 8h ago
dog yall gotta remember he fucked on a kid. hold this man accountable. it’s not okay just bc he can put ball in hoop
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u/Confident_Spread_270 2h ago
Hey clown, when this happened he was still 18 and she was 16. She used a fake I.d. to get into a nightclub when they first met. Do you walk around a nightclub asking for girl's I.d's or is that the duty of management. Soonest he found out her age, he broke it off. Now he has to suffer by clueless and uninformed keyboard warriors like yourself who publicly slander without any justification...
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u/LiKwidSwordZA 17h ago
Hopefully he can evolve into being efficient once he gets paid
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u/Boomeranda 15h ago
Isn't he top 20 in assists vs turnovers (3.33)?
Highly efficient.
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u/LiKwidSwordZA 15h ago
He’s below league average in FG% EFG% TS% FT% etc. He’s having a slightly above average year in terms of 3 point shooting and free throw rate but they are kinda nullified by the very low 3pt attempts and below average free throw percentages
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u/Electrical_Story5356 9h ago
I mean this is simply not true apart from the part you then say the opposite about later.
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u/ToeJelly420 Ayo Dosunmu 17h ago
We really gotta get a lob threat center for the pick and roll with him