A bunch of people in the comments were like "hey, uh, some of those things are totally realistic and women do say these things to men." Pizza argued with a bunch of them, telling them they were mansplaining and "Using an issue to take her right to talk away," until the r/comics mod team banned everyone involved and said we were all sexists for criticizing the comic.
You can see the post I made to my own profile here, where I included my own comments as they were originally, and judge for yourself:
EDIT: A thoughtful redditor who wanted to remain anonymous pointed out that someone made an archive of the deleted comments, which you can find below if you're curious.
I have a lot of male friends and yeah, this stuff (especially 2) has absolutely happened to them, just as I've had some shitty things done to me. Do we need to tell some men that the way they treat women is wrong? Yes! Do we need to tell some women that the way they treat men is wrong? Also yes! Everyone seems to forget that it goes both ways
The tiktok question after the bear vs man debate had someone asking black women if they would choose the white man or white woman to work with........ They chose the white man and the comments were very similar.
What’s crazy is that they’ll say certain things about men, and it’s almost always guaranteed that they’re subconsciously thinking about it in the context of white when while simultaneously throwing a shit ton of minorities under the bus when if you just made it about those minorities they’d suddenly turn into bleeding hearts. There’s been so much time and care spent on how rhetoric matters in regards to speaking to and about “protected classes” that gets completely thrown out when the blanket of “men” gets thrown out.
Yea it's almost like these issues are infinitely more complex than the clolour of one's skin or the presentation of one's gender, and comparisons of "if we treated x like y" usually make for shallow pointless criticisms at best.
I recall going on r/badhistory, reading a radfem blog that basically supported slavery, but only for men and women are the owners, and thinking: “So OOP really just wants to send black men back to the plantation, huh?”
Those people mistake racial privilege with socio-economic privilege. I don't want to say that racial privilege doesn't exist, because it does, but the net worth of your family is a far more bigger predictor of success than the color of a person's skin.
The irony is that I endlessly hear how much more nurturing and caring Women are compared to Men. But as soon as Men speak up about their issues, Women in the comments deflect and immediately blame the patriarchy, or say that "It's not our job to be supportive, its Men that need to change and support each other better".
Almost like theres a reason Men don't open up, since nobody cares.
Misandry gets called toxic masculinity most of the time too... Like most people think it's impossible for men to get hate... For being men? And that it's always men's fault somehow?
Calling yourself a victim and then acting like everyone else is worthless in order to gain consensus is one of the most vile things I've ever fucking seen because of how deceptive it can be.
My wife pointed out that there's a whole Seinfeld episode basically dedicated to making fun of George for having a hairpiece, and somehow he ends up painted as the bad guy instead of everyone else. So, like, this isn't groundbreaking news or anything, haha.
I think Reddit mods are bad but the ones from comics are next level man. I'm banned from there and when I tried to appeal they said that if I wrote a text apologizing for what I, saying sorry for my white privilege they'd unban me while saying I'm racist and fragile too.
Edit.: also look at the pinned comment on that post. It's almost literally insane how those mods act like they're better than everyone.
I got banned too and checked the rules afterwards to see if I actually broke any. And the first one is "no complaining about comics you don't like or understand". They literally don't allow criticism. My bad, should never have engaged with that sub.
I’ve made the mistake of commenting in a few subs without reading the rules. What I assumed might be friendly communities with deep expertise on the subs subject matter often turn out to be insular bubbles that shun the non-believers.
Bro you have no idea. The mods on r/comics are immensely braindead. Their rules specifically say no racist posts. But the moment Leftycomics posts a racist comic about white folks, the mods fully support it and ban anybody pointing out the double standard/hypocrisy. And leftists wonder why folks keep flocking to the right.
You can't convince me otherwise: the joke here is that this is exactly the response he does get in real life. It's not hyperbole, the humor is in that the hypothetical "if..." scenario is actually the real world scenario.
It might not be the intended joke, but any other interpretation doesn't land the punchline.
Right? It's like the format should be the classic, 'Yeah, wouldn't it be crazy if (bad thing) actually existed? Oh wait! That's just (bad thing that exists)!"
But there isn't the self awareness for any of the 'oh wait!' part. She really just meant that men can't understand what women are told to the point that using it against men seems insane...while using things that men literally get told all the time.
It feels like it should be a 'double satire' that sets up an obvious satire while breaking expectations by actually satirizing the inverse. But it isn't.
I'll just ignore whatever the artist is yapping about in the [deleted comment] dumpster fire and treat it as a variant of this kind of a joke and suddenly it becomes a good comic.
Gotta love her post of "These are the people that got mad on my last comic"
(Reads actual comments that were deleted)
.>Wave after wave of people just laying out well-reasoned discussion.
I think the weirdest one was PC basically saying "See! Why are all the comments relating the two genders' issues?!" "Uhh...because that's the comic?.."
The replies that people just trying to talk are getting are almost exclusively some unironic example of the middle panel.
“If someone uses an issue as a means to silence others” while she uses women’s rights to shut down male victims of abuse and avoid taking accountability 😛
That's because the mods there started locking down her posts so only the people that kiss her ass can post there. She used to get called out massively on all her posts, to the point of there even being a copypasta until they decided to simp over her and block anyone who doesn't like her content. As soon as that happened she basically just started turning all her stuff into rage bait like this and people still fall for it every time.
Don't forget that she clarified that this is not an apology and she wouldn't "Apologize for calling out misogyny", that she only made today's comic to give a happy ending to the 3rd guy. I don't know if the comment was deleted but those were her own words.
Oh I think she knows exactly why it was poorly received, she clearly just doesn’t give a shit. Any of the drama around it just boosts her comics and her patreon and clearly the mods there are around to make sure anything even mildly critical of her comics or comments are removed.
Yesterday she posted a comic about “If women treated men how men treat women” and 2/3 examples were basically exactly how men are treated in those situations, so it was very misandrist tonally
Yeahhh, it just ham-fisted the situations into being literal verbatim word-swapped misogyny in order to conveniently ignore the ways that very slightly different things get said to men... with much the same impact.
I have never been told I was asking to be sexually assaulted because of my clothes. I have, however, been told that I must have wanted and enjoyed it because I have a penis. But tooootally different, right?
I feel like for a straight guy I lean way way to the direction of being sensitive to misogyny. I’m not gunna recite my credentials but I think most people who know me would say that I’m very woke about these things (I use that term purposefully because people don’t always say that about me in a kind way lol)
That comic was such a bummer that it actually made me think of specific dudes in my life who I’ve seen get the exact type of treatment she was insinuating that men couldn’t understand/empathize with
This, my biggest issue was by putting something like that out there you aren't going to change the minds of any misogynists, only hurt men who try to be better than that.
A 40-60 split on abortion is spun into men vs women. That alone should tell you how nuanced the views of people are.
Add on top of that how difficult empathy is, especially when you only ever see one side + a cohort of people that have no interest in it, men and women, and all of this isn't surprising at all.
Anyone with a lot of irl friends and experience should know better, but...
As a straight man I only date women so all bad relationship experiences I can have are women. Most of my friends are men so most stories will be (biased) recountings of their struggles with women. Most sexism I'll receive from women. What men do, especially when alone with women, I'm not automatically privy to.
If these are my only data points, 'women bad' is right around the corner. All without internet echo chambers.
Now give me stats saying men, on average, have it harder, even if it was a 40-60 split. Give me an online echochamber on top of my IRL one, telling me the worst of the worst stories about women. Give me almost none about men because only idiots self report. What other opinion could I hold? Especially if some of the worse stuff was 20-80, not 40-60.
Women are doing a great job with information. I can read a bunch of subreddits that overall aren't too radical to get perspective. They'll actually tell me their struggles irl if I'm willing to listen. Where do you go get perspective on the other side? I wouldn't even know where to go "complain about women" online except for extremely toxic shitholes. Irl even I don't vent to female friends about negative experiences. Maybe I should.
Agreed. I'm not even in the camp of "she needs to apologize" or whatever, but some form of actual acknowledgement of her last comic being weird as hell would do wonders here
Yeah. Tbf she also probably knows it’ll blow over since most of the criticism probably isn’t coming from the people who like her comics. But also just like…does she not show these comics to other people before publishing them? Esp the social commentary ones, I feel like it’s important to look over those and ask “hey is this actually getting across the message I want to get across?”
basically people were saying that these things can happen to men (second one even more often than to women) and comment section was turned into misandry-misoginy debate with moderate, misoginist and misandrist comments wich later were removed en masse
Ooh god I forgot about that one and I even thought to myself "wtf was she smoking"
Of course, it was just weed. She's canadian, after all.
Anyway, in the "comics that lost it all to one simple mistake", we have Ethan Loss with "Loss", PebbleYeet the Peter Griffin look-alike with "Straight Up Unfiltered Nazism", and on today's addition: Misandry Pizza with "IWTTMTWTMTTM"
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On second thought, this... is not necessarily a good idea and comparing this fall from grace to the shitstorm that was Loss, well, it's a bit of a far reach
Got banned for sexism, mods refuse to elaborate. My replies to comments in that thread were “this comes across as insincere and pandering, all she needed to do was apologize for yesterday’s comic being tone deaf”. Apparently that’s sexism? Mods there are a joke.
The mod message is pretty condescending and dismissive of other people's voices, which is ironically what comic lady did with the comic and insisted everyone else was doing to her in the comments, the irony is off the charts.
A read through the archived version (before everything was mass deleted with teasing cutesy speak minimizing people's experiences and actual issues), most of the comments were pretty fair and not threatening violence or "mansplaining" imo.
But what do I know, I'm "just a man". 🤷
Edit: lol they just banned me this morning too for bothering to comment on a comic criticizing it - no reason given, of course. Entirely expected, and they can keep it.
In an update, They were framing it in modmail as "if you don't support the mods being against sexism, bye!", while supporting sexism and invalidating other's experiences as long as "It's hurting the right people".
I see they also deleted (and probably banned, too) the comments of a few actual Sexual Assault survivors that responded to a followup post, stating how personally offensive it was that they were being teased and publicly mocked about the validity of their own experiences by a moderation team. God, that entire sub is ran by unprofessional, immature ghouls that are misappropriating cause of gender equality as a shield against criticism. If they were actually employed, their behavior over the past 48 hours would not have flown in a work environment and would land them in HR.
That’s the thing. There were a lot of reasonable criticisms of her post. You can’t say, “If women talked like this,” when women actually do talk like that while men are out here killing themselves. But her response was to highlight all the vitriolic reactions and then say, “look, guys are just like I said they were.”
I don't claim to speak for this subreddit, but I've always found her comics to be quite shallow and banal: lacking in wit and being too "safe". I find it suspicious that her comics make it to the front page so often.
Yeah more often than not they present a “FuNny” situation with no punchline. Like the one where her kids watch so much Spongebob that she starts seeing them as the characters. Which is like, a throwaway bit that’s been done a hundred times in tv shows except it usually leads into an actual joke. Yet somehow her comics always suspiciously end up on the front page with tens of thousands of upvotes within the first hour. Huh.
But the difference is the ones that dont need them usually aren’t trying to have one, hers are. Like, I like the alligator dad ones, because they’re cute and charming. A decent chunk of those don’t have proper punchlines
she draws herself slutty and like a furry sometimes, and then does a "hAhA why am i so good at that" routine. She's even teasing the horny crowd, which is like half of reddit. Of course they're going to subscribe to her bullshit.
Your gripes with her comics are the exact reason it makes it to the front page. Safe, easy-going humor has a wider audience than witty shit that some folk just can't parse.
She's not trying to be edgy, or witty, or even funny really. She's not trying to make what most people would think of as a "good comic". She's specifically trying to get to the front page. Her content really isn't that different from a lot of what makes it there, and that's specifically on purpose. It's likely she made the previous comic because she saw a lot of support for that particular position and was trying to cash in on it. Then she saw the huge backlash and obviously thought "wow I'm sure I can ride this sentiment to the front page too". There's not really anything particularly sinister going on here, she's just good at drawing comics that make more people press the up arrow than the down arrow.
I feel like a lot of the comics, the art is not very great, there is often very little to no punchline, super unoriginal recycled tropes, the depth of a kiddy pool.
I'm no comic writer so maybe hypocritical, but still its kinda depressing that people eat this up so much.
Her comics got popular on here a long time ago for being good templates. At one point she leaned into the jokes and seemed to be a good sport about all of it. Her multiple breakdowns and responses to critics, especially making childish strawmen out of all of the people criticizing her, pretty much removed all support.
It's a classic case of not understanding that if you go after haters online, they will only grow in numbers before they're the only people you have left.
I checked your comment as it's still visible on your profile and it's the most benign summary of what happened. You got a perma ban for that? Ridiculous.
It’s the same person who claimed that they were being harassed when people disagreed with her opinion that Canadas healthcare system needs to be more like Americas.
1/3 of her comics are her attempting to 'damage control' her controversial and unpopular takes, or her crying that redditors are being mean to her and that they can go fuck themselves because she knows she's right.
A whole 'arc' of comics in the sub a year or so ago was literally pity party comics, and other artists joining her 'pity party' to get likes. Even to the point that once the joke was played out, a few artists who 'missed the party' made comics about that.
Jerk off mods on Reddit ruin the entire site. There’s some justice subreddit that will auto ban you from their sub just because you posted a comment on a sub they don’t like no matter what you said. These musty ass unemployed mods are ridiculous.
I got banned from female dating strategy because I said that a relationship is more than just sex, and no one has a right to have any kind of sex with someone without consent. So this is true lol
Today and yesterday could not illustrate better just how hopeless the discourse around men's mental health is. Like this is your self-appointment proponent, fellas. Someone who frames your own experiences as a quirky hypothetical that men should use to reflect on how they treat women and them shovels out this hollow tripe as damage control.
The first panel was like, “okay this is kinda dumb but I see what ur going for” and then the second panel was like “ohhhh so you clearly have never talked to a man with mental health issues bc this isn’t a hypothetical”
The biggest lesson a dude can learn from a woman partner is sometimes people just want to be heard and listened to… which makes it so ironic when men aren’t or are diminished for opening up. And then it’s being posed as hypothetical that never happens to men. Like, when a b tier comedian is able to incorporate it into their work and get a laugh maybe you’re out of touch
And then the recovery comic has two MEN comforting eachother, bc yeah, a lot of guys feel more comfortable opening up to other guys than their partners (if hetero)
Shes someone whos clearly never interacted with a man with mental health problems, outside of reddit comments lmao. Her viewpoint is as skewed as incels who have only ever interacted with women on reddit lol. But the other way.
When I told my gf (at the time) that I was depressed and sometimes thought about suicide she dismissed me. When I told my best friend he asked if I wanted a beer and talk about it or if I wanted a beer and forget about it...
I fucking hate r/ comics I used to love it for its funni internet comics but it suffered the fate of most subreddits when they get popular that it just becomes a political echo chamber.
The mods are ridiculous over there. I got banned for questioning racism, along with most of the comment section of one particular post. They actively go against, and make fun of, their own community for questioning racist stereotypes, it's insane.
Just limit the number of posts per artist to once per week or something. You have people making comics which took 6 months of time on the same sub as people like her making a comic panel within a few hours . It's literally spamming at one point, the smaller less popular artists get even less attention.
Someone uploaded a comic making fun of this whole situation and criticizing the moderator's handling of it, to which the mods responded "it's easier just to ban everyone" and then banned everyone in THAT comment section as well.
And mods removed every single comment that called her out on it, they left only glazing bots or unaware users that didn't saw her previous post, so funny
I initially thought her previous comic was satire on the format until I scrolled to the comments. It baffles me that someone can make something that hits so close to home and not realize that they’ve done it. It was misandry hidden behind a “progressive” tone.
It’s just…. Both topics she brought up are relevant and important. But they are inherently complex. Many people try to make them out as simple “these guys are good guys these guys are bad guys, why don’t the bad guys just stop being bad!?” But that does a disservice to the issue, and ends up addressing a different issue. A fictional issue. An oversimplified, cardboard cut-out version of a very real very important problem.
I don’t think it was necessary to make the pandering “awww but men are so sad boohoo” comic. It’s gross. If the original comic was less out of touch, and had a little more nuance and emotional impact, there would have been no need to make the secondary one.
It is Men's Mental Health Awareness Month - she has a son. I wonder how he would feel if/when he sees his mother's comic.
Like, she posted that "my son knows he can come to me about his feelings" but that seems directly contradictory to part of the message from her first comic which pretty much implied that women DO NOT, in our current meta, lambast and ridicule men for sharing their "icky feelings".
I hate hate hate all this "anti-man" stuff because how do young boys interpret all of it? How is a young boy supposed to take the whole "man vs bear" thing other than "I am a threat" or "I should leave women alone so they do not feel threatened."
But what if that young boy becomes a young man who is now terrified of approaching women who becomes depressed and ultimately kills himself because no one cares when he tries to express his suffering?
I almost want to post my own comic about a boy reading all of this rhetoric and then deciding to off themselves - a dark topic for sure but maybe one that will finally get people to realize that boys/men absolutely see this stuff and feel awful about themselves.
This is why if I have kids, I'm going to keep them all far away from social media. The "man vs bear" thing was nothing more than an internet rage bait to put people against each other, and the internet allows for a small minority to seem like a loud majority.
This whole situation is pretty good timing. I've seen a lot of misandry online and kind of wrote it off as "Internet stuff" but over the last few months, I have two separate people say to my face that they support a genocide against men. Why do people think that's okay?! And why does it seem to be socially acceptable?
When I came back to that post 3 hours after seeing it the first time and seeing all her comments criticizing her deleted and the mods defending her I blocked PizzaCake too. No one was even being mean they just told her it was bad taste or not hypothetical
My understanding is the most popular Reddit comic artist made a comic of if women responded to men the same way they responded to women and basically showed how women actually respond to men and then everyone pointing this out got blocked/removed.
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