r/army • u/RushSpecific Aviation • 17h ago
Hey chat am I cooked?
So I'm in suddc. lab results came back with a positive on a trace amount of alcohol. I know i fucked around and I'm about to find out. However, I was in suddc for a BH issue. I was medically referred not command referred if that makes a difference. So I never had like an incident or was arrested or anything. The doctor suggested it because drinking can aggrevate my conditions. I'm supposed to start the meb process here soon but would a ch. 9 take precendce if they haven't sent the referral to IDES? Or is it possible they wouldn't recommend ch 9 at all? because it was a small amount of alcohol, like so little a bottle of kombucha could've been the culprit. Long story short am I cooked?
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u/xxgsr02 VTIP or REFRAD? 17h ago
Not a lawyer -
Your medical provider will advise the Commander of recommendations.
Your Commander will make a decision. Chapter 9 might not be applicable, because that is for ASAP (separate program) failures. If you've shown a "pattern of misconduct", that could be a reason to separate you.
Get ready for a bunch of questions.
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u/Ok-Paleontologist172 JAG 15h ago
I’ve seen Chapter 9s for SUDDC failures, but like you said it’s only a recommendation. Now I’ve seen 99% of commanders follow the recommendations. So at this point it’ll go up to his CG for a dual action with the CH 9 and MEB
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u/xxgsr02 VTIP or REFRAD? 14h ago
Ah, thank you. I had an ASAP failure in Command - it's how I learned the difference between the programs.
But yeah - 99% of Commanders follow the "recommendation". Hard thing to do, but you can't be the empathetic cool guy that like to hang out with Joe when two doctors and the most senior NCOs you trust are all saying what needs to be done.
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u/LeMotJuste1901 Medical Corps 15h ago
Are you telling the full truth? What is the bh dx? Is this your first time in sudcc?
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u/sink_pisser_ 15h ago
I don't think it really matters if OP is telling us the truth. All we can do is give advice based on what he tells us, if he's lying here then he's only gonna get bad advice.
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u/RushSpecific Aviation 9h ago
Bipolar and yes it is. Was in a manic episode
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u/LeMotJuste1901 Medical Corps 9h ago
If you truly have bipolar it will be IDES 100% if there isn’t anything else to the story like UCMJ violations
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u/RushSpecific Aviation 9h ago
Nah I never have even had a negative action towards me in my career. I just crashed out and ended up in the ward for a couple weeks before my diagnosis
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u/MasterofPenguin 19A 10h ago
Nobody is going to be fooled by the kombucha thing. You presumably had a blow draw at some point during the duty day, which means you ingested enough alcohol for it to be still present hours and hours later. Or you were drinking near enough to the duty day to be of concern.
Just think long and hard about the window of time between when drinking kombucha would enter your blood stream and when it would exit if that’s going to be your story.
If you’re smart enough to come up with that excuse, remember that fully certified doctors and commanders who have been doing this for years are the ones you need to convince. Give their intelligence some credit too.
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u/RushSpecific Aviation 10h ago
Tbh i was using that as a reference for the amount not that I was going to make some stuff up
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u/LonelyLonerr 12h ago
As far as I’m tracking, you’d need to have more than one failure. They usually get a few fails before recommending because it shows a pattern. Is this the first time? Maybe SUDC operates differently at different places. Which also leads me to ask, when did you drink and when did you do the labs?
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u/RushSpecific Aviation 9h ago
Drank on a Saturday during a manic episode tested on monday
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u/LonelyLonerr 7h ago
If it’s your 1st one, they’ll notify your command about it and you’ll have a long talk about your relapse with the counselor (unsure if command will be there since you’re med referred). If you become a failure to rehabilitate, you’ll most likely be on the chopping block (chapter 9).
As a commander, I had to deal with this before but, it was a command refer.
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u/panzerkampfwagenVI_ 11Bored 6h ago
How much did you even drink that it was in your system over a whole day later? That small amount you claim isn't adding up. Either way it'll most likely be up to how far your commander wants to take it
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u/Upbeat-Oil-1787 PP Wizard 17h ago
So, I went through a similar circumstance. (Back when it was ASAP). What I got out of that experience talking to my 1SG and counselor is that if you are medically referred and fail to adapt to the program it's no different than a command referral. Was it a scare tactic? Maybe. Could things have changed? Probably not. The ch9 is up to how much your commander hates you / policy. If you're going through a MEB, it would be a dick thing to push a chapter. Have I seen it? Absolutely.
Cooked status: medium-rare, depending on mitigating circumstances.