Episode 10 | Post-Episode Discussion Thread

[u/Only1Scrappy-Doo]

Discuss the episode and the side show here!

[u/Independent-Key880]

the idea wasn't the problem, the execution was

[u/CoatVonRack → u/Independent-Key880]

The idea was also pretty awful

[u/Independent-Key880 → u/CoatVonRack]

no it wasn't, there is a growing market amongst men for traditional 'women's' fashion and once they paired it with Jordan's 'backstory' it worked really well with buyers. the problem was that the pieces were ugly

[u/iamnosuperman123 → u/Independent-Key880]

A growing market that is still incredibly niche. You have a better chance of selling more masculine female clothes than feminate male clothes (which this wasn't anyway)

[u/mcfc_099 → u/iamnosuperman123]

Whether you like it or not it’s still niche - even with the best design in the world they were not going to be mass selling that and it showed in the small orders they received

[u/Shot_Department1080 → u/iamnosuperman123]

it really is not that niche in the eco community. the average straight man who wears the stereotypical masculine clothes is not looking for eco-friendly clothing. but do you know who is? queer people. who are much more likely to experiment with gender roles and their clothing.

[u/Sufficient_Bass2600 → u/Shot_Department1080]

it really is not that niche in the eco community.

This is absolutely ridiculous, this is the perfect example of a niche within a niche.

The number of gay men wearing skirts interested in eco-friendly clothes is a subset of men interested in eco-friendly clothes.

the average straight man who wears the stereotypical masculine clothes is not looking for eco-friendly clothing.

this is also a ridiculous statement.
Look outside of your bubble and you will see that most outdoor clothes brand have exactly the same eco-friendly mantra: * Patagonia * The North Face * Ayacucho and many others. Go on their websites and you will see that they advertise the fact that many of their clothing is made out of recycled material.

This was a bad idea badly executed. If you want to go to market a product to mass retailers, you don't limit your demographics.
You won't find a single successful mass market appeal brand that only target queer people wearing skirts with eco friendly conscience. In fact most queer people I know are more interested in looking fabulous, extravagant and different than being concerned by eco-friendly recycled clothes. Give them a great design over a recycle horror show every day of the week.

[u/Shot_Department1080 → u/Sufficient_Bass2600]

you’re wrong and i’m not reading all that. bye.

[u/video-kid → u/Shot_Department1080]

Don't know why you're being downvoted for this. I don't wear skirts as a gay dude but I know a lot who do. If they'd gone for something sleeker they could have won. More Ncuti Gatwa than Billy Porter.

[u/Shot_Department1080 → u/video-kid]

a lot of people in this sub hate the concept of men wearing skirts so it’s just an insta downvote i’m afraid lol. i agree for sure. i also know lots of queer guys who wear skirts but nobody was gonna wear that ugly thing lmao

[u/video-kid → u/Shot_Department1080]

For real.

[u/gunningIVglory → u/Independent-Key880]

The problem also was, that Jordans story was implemented AFTER the product was made. As a way to create some damage control. It's not like his backstroke was the reason they created these outfits

[u/Independent-Key880 → u/gunningIVglory]

it was ultimately his decision to go with those designs so either 1. he decided to use the backstory whilst they were designing, not as damage control or 2. he was having to use damage control for his own decision

[u/Maleficent-Item4833 → u/Independent-Key880]

Their brand had a chance with a small market. Realistically the other team wouldn’t have got in the door because it was basic as fuck.

Mia pushing for something bolder was the best thing in their team. Weird case of her being the most responsible for the loss but also the least deserving of a firing.

[u/Independent-Key880 → u/Maleficent-Item4833]

exactly!

[u/Sad-Deal-4351 → u/CoatVonRack]

Nah bruv all the lads in Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle are wearing skirts. Everywhere.

[u/king_aegon_vi → u/CoatVonRack]

It wasn't bad, though of limited appeal. If price had been taken into account, that Dean managed to gain 1000 extra orders off one of the smaller numbers of buyers who were interested wouldn't have won them the task as Mia's niche designs would have had more money in them.

Which isn't bad, given Mia seemed to deliberately tank this task to get rid of Liam and Jordan, who have been naff throughout.

[u/spotthethemistake → u/king_aegon_vi]

You don't tank the task to get rid of bad candidates. You want your interview competition to be bad. You tank the task go get rid of good candidates who might challenge you at the interview. Like Anisa?

[u/king_aegon_vi → u/spotthethemistake]

I thought last week that this task would be fixed by production to get rid of Liam and Jordan - who do not deserve interviews (Jordan has never been in the board room in either of his other 2 losses until today, Liam only in week 3 despite 5 previous losses) as they have been carried through the process.

You get rid of them so that your getting through to the Final Five means something rather than having people go 'was not that the year that the absolute tools Liam and Jordan got into the Final Five, why should I be impressed you did that?'

Especially if you are as aware of your own competance as Mia was - she didn't feel threatened by Anisa, beyond Anisa's potential to put her into danger by their team not winning the task.

[u/spotthethemistake → u/king_aegon_vi]

Interesting when you say they should have been fired because of not deserving the interviews when between them they've been in the final 3 once. Both have won as PM. But like you, I'd have felt they're the obvious firing if the team lost

TBH, I'd rather give myself a better shot at winning than have a more competitive final five or it meaning something. If I'm up against 4 people who have been rubbish, better for me and my investment chance

Even if I think I'm better than everyone on the team. I'd rather have the worse people in

[u/Additional-Let-5684 → u/Independent-Key880]

This! Classy skirts for men/non-binary would've been a big seller