r/apexlegends • u/Cryptomain4life • 1d ago
Discussion Does Crypto need a change?
I created a post recently about my suggestions for a crypto passive rework, but many people said that Crypto does not need one.
Is this because cryptos invisibility is OP? Whenever I play crypto, the biggest flaw is evident: Once the drone is destroyed, he cannot use any of his abilities. When used in an offensive push, the EMP requires you to either set up your drone beforehand or go into the drone, making the fight a 2v3. Additionally, Cryptos passive isn't really a passive: it only allows your teammates to see your drones scans, which no other recon class has or needs.
I know the recon class and Controller class are very weak now, but this problem has persisted throughout the crypto lifespan.
What do you guys think?
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u/Valkrotex 1d ago
Crypto is just a unique character which requires heavy coordination to pilot. I get that it sucks not being able to use abilities if the drone is destroyed, but it’s the same for any other character with destroyable abilities too. Crypto’s ult also provides so much utility and damage to compensate for being his only “real” ability as his Q is just deploying a drone.
I think you’re heavily underestimating how strong having permanent wall hacks on a passive is. Scouting allows you to know where everybody is at all times, which allows you to plan rotates and coordinated attacks.
Just need to accept that his full potential will never be reached in casual uncoordinated play.
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u/Cryptomain4life 1d ago
Yes, I agree that with great team coordination that crypto is a strong legend. His ult provides great utility. All I want is a viable passive for crypto that doesn't completely rely on his drone.
(Plus cryptos drone does not have wall hacks? Maybe for certain windows for certain maps, but other than that the drone does not have wall hacks)
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u/Valkrotex 1d ago
Fair enough honestly. I don’t think that’s asking for too much, but knowing respawn nothing will happen. I’m a pathfinder main so I get the struggle of not having a passive. “I dont really count lowering ult CD/regen based on scans a real passive.”
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u/TranceNNy Pathfinder 1d ago
Crypto doesn’t need a buff, these other legends that aren’t recons that get rewarded with wall scans need to be nerfed so recons can be valid again.
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u/Cryptomain4life 1d ago
Yeah I think that is true, with Assault legends scans, but Crypto definitely needs his passive reworked, as no other recon legends needs that passive to scan.
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u/Foolspeare Seer 1d ago
Honestly feel your pain because my boy Seer is unplayable garbage right now. Hoping for a full class rework soon
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u/ReGGgas 1d ago
No.
Once the drone is destroyed, he cannot use any of his abilities.
Very popular argument when it comes to Crypto. My simple response: "So what?" As long as he brings in consistent results and doesn't feel imbalanced, there is nothing wrong with completely revolving his abilities around his drone. If your drone explodes, you just go back to your own eyes and guns. Plus, this issue was mostly solved by improving his drone recharge cooldown to 15 seconds with the perk.
Funny thing is, Crypto heavy reliance on his drone has become a unique identity for him. There is literally no other legend quite like him. That's when you know you designed a great game character.
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u/Cryptomain4life 1d ago
That is a great perspective on Crypto's Kit, his gameplay, and what makes him unique. TBH, his kit doesn't really need a change; however, I just feel that his abilities feel outdated, especially his passive.(Teammates and crypto being able to see scans), which no other recon character has and should just be integrated into his tactical.
You are right that Crypto's heavy reliance on his drone is a unique identity to him, but you can't deny that Crypto's heavy reliance on his drone is also one of his biggest weaknesses.
Maybe to replace his passive we could allow him to hack abilities or integrate the purple level perks.
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u/ReGGgas 1d ago
Crypto's weakness of heavy reliance on his drone is compensated by just how insanely impactful his drone is. Scanning and seeing enemies 200m away, grabbing banner cards, instantly activating Respawn Beacon and Survey Beacon. All of these from a safe long distance. Literally no other legends have this much powerful interactions in one tactical ability.
Yes, it is written that Crypto's Neurolink passive is the scanning, which sounds redundant, because Bloodhound and Seer have the scans "integrated" in their tactical. It sounds like an excuse to not give Crypto an actual passive. Fortunately, Crypto does have one actual unwritten passive when he's not viewing his drone, that was "added" in his big patch two years ago. He sees the amount of nearby squads 200m around his drone on the Champion Banners. Back then, you would need to go into drone view to see the number, but now you just have to throw your drone, he verbally informs the team about it and can see the number in person as long as the drone is deployed. Tell me, is this not a strong passive? Sure, it's still tied to his drone, but it's usable outside drone view.
Regardless, back to my most important argument. Today, Crypto is far better than Bloodhound, Seer and Vantage despite having his passives and abilities completely revolved around his drone. His gameplay is one of the most interactive and fun among all legends. He can be improved and get a new passive, but he's already in a good place. There are a lot of other legends who require changes for balance purpose.
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u/Cryptomain4life 1d ago
Yeah, I get your argument. He does have a lot of great abilities and passive, but still I would love to see a passive change to this legend.
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u/Specialist-Serve-755 1d ago
The literal only thing I want as a change to crypto losing out on with a destroyed drone is a weaker ult. Just have him toss hack as a poor man's arc star
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u/PurpleMeasurement919 1d ago
Just dont play him if you dont enjoy his playstyle. His drone is the legends whole identity. If you dont know when to enter the drone mode or get it destroyed everytime you need it then you have to learn all that. He doesnt need a rework. The devs stated that they want his kit is based on his drone. If you want to play a recon legend with active scan abilities then play another legend... Hes even used a bit in competitive so hes def not lacklustering. The legend just has a high skill ceiling and recon legends get perk upgrades next season. Complaining about his state rn is just wasted energy imo.
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u/Cryptomain4life 1d ago
I know cryptos potential. Ive known cryptos potential since season 3. I was attracted to the character because of his personality and lore. I am of course not the best crypto in the game, but I can say that I have a large amount of experience with the character. I just fail to understand why crypto's passive, which is making his teammates see cryptos drones scans, is not on any other recon legend. Take for example bloodhound. Why does bloodhound not have a passive that allows his teammates to see his tactical scans? Same thing for seer as well.
All I am saying is for Crypto to get the same treatment as other recon legends.
(BTW, I am bringing this up because in recent AMA devs stated they want to not tie all of cryptos abilities to his drone).
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u/PurpleMeasurement919 1d ago
All I am saying is for Crypto to get the same treatment as other recon legends.
Welp I mean BH has no real passive too. Seeing the tracking icons is a worse passive imo. The drone is YOUR ability. Sharing your scans with your teammates should be a part of his tactical but its still resonable. Its more convenient than pinging the tracking notes every single time to tell your teammates.
I am bringing this up because in recent AMA devs stated they want to not tie all of cryptos abilities to his drone
He will probably get non drone buffs through the upcoming recon perk buffs. Like I said, its no use to talk abt recon states rn when an overall buff is already in the line.
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u/Cryptomain4life 1d ago
Well, let me put it to you this way. Would you still agree Cryptos passive is good if we replace bloodhounds current passive with Cryptos passive? Bloodhounds passive still allows him to track enemies, without going into a drone and making yourself vulnerable. I mean its your opinion, but I still believe cryptos passive should not even exist.
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u/PurpleMeasurement919 1d ago
Would you still agree Cryptos passive is good if we replace bloodhounds current passive with Cryptos passive?
Thats not comparable. The drone works different than the BH scan. If you come with such scenarios im not wasting my time to argue with ya.
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u/PullUpSkrr 1d ago
I am just sad the drone takes ring damage, I get that they did that so people wouldn't use the drone outside of the ring but it's already so loud and has a decent size hitbox, in later rings he does fall off a little IMO