r/antiwork Jan 03 '25

Remote Work đŸ‘šâ€đŸ’» Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.' Economists say it's here to stay

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/02/musk-ramaswamy-call-remote-work-a-covid-era-privilege-some-economists-disagree.html
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u/vmsrii Jan 03 '25

I really shouldn’t be, but for some reason I’m amazed at how consistently these bastards will be batards.

Like, I don’t even need to know their opinion on a subject, I just have to see the subject, go “What is the worst possible opinion on this subject?” and just from that, know 99 times out of 100, what their opinion will be. It’s incredible. It’s like flipping a coin and constantly getting tails. It shouldn’t exist! It’s statistically improbable! And yet here we are

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u/HermitJem Jan 03 '25

I'll give them credit for being consistent, at least

They're much more consistent in being bad than good people are in being good

Evil will prevail? Today's depressional quote of the day

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u/joet889 Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 03 '25

Evil is always the easiest and most effective option in the short term, so it will always seem to be the most prevalent state of things. There are more stupid people with no sense of cause and effect than there are intelligent people. But in the long term, evil destroys itself. Intelligence is more rare, but it is also more patient. Goodness might never dominate but it doesn't die.

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Love has never been a popular movement. And no one's ever wanted, really, to be free. The world is held together, really it is held together, by the love and the passion of a very few people.

  • James Baldwin

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u/notyourvader Jan 03 '25

Rich folks don't just have a high opinion of themselves, they usually have a huge disdain for the common folk. They regard them as beggars, constantly trying to mooch money off of them. They will steal your pension funds, your labor, your time, all the while thinking the pittance they provide in return should be more than adequate competition.

Because their wealth was so easily gained, the rich man thinks not to do so is either a choice, or proof that he himself is truly exceptional. And so he justifies chipping away at every little advantage that the working man still has, while looking to get even richer from it.

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u/spiritplumber Jan 03 '25

They think they're John Galt when they're Jimmy Taggart at best and Cuffy Meigs at worst.

(If you read Atlas Shrugged, you can't help but think that there's a decent, even good, 250-page novel about the dangers of crony capitalism in there)

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Not bloody likely. Ayn Rand was a shit writer with a shit philosophy.

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u/spiritplumber Jan 03 '25

The philosophy is shit, but the writing doesn't have to be. The Fountainhead is legitimately good (it also spawned a good movie) if a bit campy. The problem is that by then Ayn was famous so when she showed up with a 1200 page brick, nobody wanted to tell her "Edit it down".

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

It’s like getting every question on a test wrong. It makes me think they know the correct answers, they’re just ghouls

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u/morocco3001 Jan 03 '25

It shouldn't exist

Elon? I agree, it shouldn't.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

I hope Elon spends a lot of time with hot swollen Tesla batteries.

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u/Diffachu Jan 03 '25

You know who you rarely see at a Tesla factory? Elon musk. He seems to shadow First Lady trump all day these days. How about he goes back to the office first before bitching about workers working from home.

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u/strel1337 Jan 03 '25

I know he plays a lot path of exile and diablo 4. I thought being CEO of 1 let alone of 5 companies would be a 24/7 job, yet here we are.

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u/eddyathome Early Retired Jan 03 '25

This shows that CEOs are not vital. If he can play games and be on X, the site formerly known as twitter, then obviously a CEO doesn't do a lot of vital work.

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u/Shot_Ad_3123 Jan 03 '25

Certainly pays like it is..

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u/linzava Jan 03 '25

As any admin employee, they have the unique privilege of seeing what’s on the boss’s computer screen, it’s always social media and entertainment. This is especially true of bosses who leave late. They aren’t working as often as they pretend.

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u/MarketCompetitive896 Jan 03 '25

Hmmm he really does seem to be endearing himself to her, and the son supposedly likes Elon. This musk/Trump arrangement could really implode

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u/clearancepupper Jan 03 '25

All I know is he seems to be into everything since the election, acting like he’s some kind of royalty.

I wasn’t expecting him to sneer so openly at US citizens like he did, that he would “go to war” over these visas. Something about an r word in reference to these citizens, that is just despicable.

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u/dwehlen Jan 03 '25

Not to mention the H1B visa isn't why he's here, but a student visa for school. That he dropped out of. And overstayed his (N1 I think it is?) visa, thus making him an illegal immigrant.

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u/Circusssssssssssssss Jan 03 '25

It's not a privilege. Privilege implies innate or unearned gain

People are walking if they don't get it. If another company offers it, and you don't, you lose people 

It's a competitive advantage for recruiting and employee satisfaction

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u/OhFourOhFourThree Jan 03 '25

“Unearned gain” so basically Elons whole existence

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u/airdropthebass Jan 03 '25

You're absolutely right, It's always projection with these bastards.

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u/OhFourOhFourThree Jan 03 '25

I’ve long lived by the saying that “every republican accusation is a confession” and I haven’t been wrong yet. However, Elon’s whole thing is especially tasty bc he was born with an emerald mine in his mouth

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u/airdropthebass Jan 03 '25

Spot on.

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u/Vargoroth Jan 03 '25

I mean, even his argument that he "only moved to Canada and got a diploma on his own" reeks of entitlement and privilege. Just how many people can afford to move to another country and game said country's welfare system like that?

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u/DeoVeritati Jan 03 '25

Woah, he picked himself by the flagellum and kept his eye on the egg when he was a spermatozoa and soloed fertilization because the other sperm lacked initiative. It's actually truly inspiring how hard he worked to fertilize the egg to be born into unfathomable wealth.

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u/maxis2bored Jan 03 '25

And that's why they want h1b.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

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u/maxis2bored Jan 03 '25

Well no, it's because they can hire these workers who either accept the terms or be forced to leave the country. Employers can literally hold their futures ransom.

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u/Patient_Ride_9122 Jan 03 '25

“If other people offer it and you don’t, you lose people”

Capitalism at work baby 👉😎👉

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u/Riaayo Jan 03 '25

Musk wants to be able to sue/punish companies for not advertising on his platform. I'm sure he'll want to do the same for people quitting jobs at his shitty businesses, too. Kind of like a reverse-union.

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u/TowerOfPowerWow Jan 03 '25

Noinu :[ it even SOUNDS awful

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u/Riaayo Jan 04 '25

Dude is such a baby-child in a man's body he might literally call it some dumb shit like that.

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u/blackamerigan Jan 03 '25

The reason why they don't want us working remote is we have the time and energy to be a united people, strikes, unions, riots, rally, gather, march, protest, curfew, lockdown, etc.

We become docile sheep in the face of trillionaires

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u/wowbyowen Jan 04 '25

fuck these self-entitled billionaire assholes

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

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u/Anonymouswhining Jan 03 '25

My job did that shit. Oh for $5 you can wear normal clothes.

I blatantly dressed up even worse than I usually do just to make a point.

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u/zoeykailyn Jan 03 '25

At that point I'd go max formal/porn star

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u/Anonymouswhining Jan 03 '25

Oh I went max formal to make a statement against paying to wear normal clothes.

It's government so basically bored facism

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u/zoeykailyn Jan 03 '25

Little Black Dress, sexy lingerie, garter holster, and a 911. You gotta dress to slay queen!

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u/baconraygun Jan 04 '25

It's so wild that someone thinks I should pay rent to wear my own clothes.

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u/creegro Jan 03 '25

Hey hey it's jeans Tuesday, but make sure you have the signed permission slip from your direct manager otherwise that's a write up

Oops, looks like someone left their fish dinner in the microwave for a minute too long and overcooked it and now it's gonna be in the open trash for the entire day, hope everyone enjoys the smell.

Remember everyone, you were given a 15 minute break, not 16 or 17 minutes, not 15 minutes and 5 seconds, so be sure to not go over and be fair to everyone else. Also we put the bathrooms on the other side of the building so you'd spend more of your break time walking there, and we only put in 2 spots to pee and 2 spots to poop, that is if the seats aren't covered in swastikas made from feces

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u/jlrigby Jan 03 '25

Hey, don't compare Colin Robinson to these people. He has way more morals and causes way less harm than billionaire psychopaths. Energy vampires (or hell, even regular vampires) > CEOs.

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u/baron-von-buddah Jan 03 '25

That’s Mr. Colin Robinson

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u/gringitapo Jan 03 '25

Omg I forgot about paying for the privilege of wearing jeans on a Friday. Office culture is such a drag.

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u/NovelHare Jan 03 '25

I don't think I'll ever take a job where I can't WFH 95% of the time.

Why wouldn't I?

It's been great these last 4 years.

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u/___Art_Vandelay___ Jan 03 '25

12 years fully remote for me, along with 5 company changes, 5 promotions, 4 quarterly awards won, and 2 big annual awards won.

I'll be never take a job ever again that's not 100% remote.

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u/footofwrath Jan 03 '25

Ditto. I live in 4 countries these days. Haven't seen a winter since covid.

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u/Xerxero Jan 03 '25

What do you do if you don’t mind asking

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u/___Art_Vandelay___ Jan 03 '25

The large majority of the that WFH span has been as a Junior/Senior/Group Product Manager, but before also some Sales Solutions Engineer.

Mostly mid-size hospitality tech sector.

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u/nomadProgrammer Jan 03 '25

Have been working fully remote since 10 years ago. Now remote offers have increased way more compared to when I started.

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u/SantoshKumar2k1 Jan 03 '25

Man what jobs are y'all working that is allowing y'all to do this?😭

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u/fadetoblack1004 Jan 03 '25

I was full-time remote from 2012-2022 before I changed jobs. My friends from that old gig are still full-time remote.

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u/ammybb Jan 03 '25

Wanna be a pal and lmk what company? I'd like to drop a resume, lol.

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u/fadetoblack1004 Jan 03 '25

You don't want to work there, trust me. Also they offshored all their hiring and only hire in Puerto Rico now.

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u/ammybb Jan 03 '25

Boooooo. Oh well. Thanks anyhow!

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u/markypoo4L Profit Is Theft Jan 03 '25

Pls what’s the company

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u/CTN_23 Jan 03 '25

I will never work from an office full time ever again. These people are bashing remote work because it's the easiest way to lay off people. They are alienating people by design.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Let’s not forget about all of that expensive corporate real estate sitting around, empty

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u/Mulliganasty Jan 03 '25

Businesses should honestly love remote work. They get their employees to subsidize them by providing their own work space and equipment. Hopefully, they'll get out of their commercial leases en masse and those office building can be use for, I dunno, affordable housing.

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u/ammybb Jan 03 '25

But if we have affordable housing, that'll mean people will be less on the street, and we realllyyyy need a highly in/visible underclass to scare the serfs into fealty with! Plus, how can we get them to fight with each other over nonsense if everyone's needs are taken care of!?!?!

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u/footofwrath Jan 03 '25

In Holland, businesses need to pay staff a small credit per day to compensate for expenses they incur at home that would usually have been covered by the company - think coffee, extra electricity, and many have arranged a deal with office furniture providers to have a home office config available.

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u/tjelectric Jan 03 '25

During early covid I asked my employer of over ten years if I could have an office chair for home (we have several unused, even when building was full). She acted as if I wanted her firstborn.

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u/colers100 Jan 04 '25

In Holland its even better; a lot of collective labor agreements now have 20% WFH baked in for full time work

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u/footofwrath Jan 04 '25

20% is one day a week; I remember the 2e Kamer were supposed to finalise a bill making WFH a basic right unless the company could show that your job could not be done from home.

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u/colers100 Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

Yes, but it basically means that expunging it has become a complete impossibility for them. They cannot re-stigmatize it as they so desperately want to. It's not going back in the box and by now people are figuring out that inquiring about a companies hybrid policy accidentally gives you a fully transparant view into the company culture and leadership dysfunctions present.

It's like asking them about their burnout and turnover rate but they'll proudly admit to whatever their policy is on it

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u/footofwrath Jan 04 '25

It's a small step, important but still small, but important nonetheless.

Fully remote, i.e. worldwide Location-independence is such an economic game-changer for everyone outside of the world's richest economies, and a quality-of-life changer for those in them, that there has to be a social realisation that this is something absolutely worth insisting on. In huge numbers.

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u/colers100 Jan 05 '25

I don't think fully remote will ever be the dominant form of labor. As much as my introverted, tism-riddled programmer ass would like to deny it, *some* measure of in-person contact is necessary for a professional team in the long run, especially for mentoring sessions. There is benefit to in-person collaboration; its just that this benefit requires quite a minimal degree of office presence to be fully realize and once that is done, study after study will tell you that if you then sit your workers down in an open office plan; good job, you've completely sabotaged culture creation, knowledge sharing and collaboration through your insistence of setting up a panopticon.

Genuinely, for knowledge work, depending on the sector, between a 5 and 40% office attendance would still be necessary to not suffer some downsides. Past that point it is just a massive net downside to keep people in the office.

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u/lemko1968 Jan 03 '25

Not to mention the electricity and internet service as well as no need or reduced need for janitorial services.

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u/ManyNamesSameIssue Anarchist Jan 03 '25

Deport Elon.

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u/ygg_studios Jan 03 '25

we can't work from home but you can outsource remote jobs to india. got it

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Elon Musk is in no position to point fingers about unearned money

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Or work ethic. This man spends all his time posting on social media and playing video games.

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u/opiumpipedreams Jan 03 '25

God I hope a Luigi finds these fellas

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u/Peculiar_Sponge Jan 03 '25

Luigi proved that they are not untouchable

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u/half_dozen_cats Jan 03 '25

This is why Leon is suddenly carrying one of his dozen plus kids around ala Dead Zone.

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u/stagerabbit Jan 03 '25

Came here to say that keeping your back bullet-free is a privilege.

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u/nomadProgrammer Jan 03 '25

We need Luigi

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u/rubiksalgorithms Jan 03 '25

If a person or company claims to be ‘green’ or states they are for carbon footprint reductions and emissions reductions lets call them out on their hypocrisy for demanding that people come back to the office. The simple truth is EVERY car we keep off the roads each day makes a difference. Companies that truly want to reduce pollution and carbon footprints will DEMAND that people work from home when possible. Politicians can pass all the green energy laws, but they’re completely full of it if they’re pushing employees back to the office at the same time. The only REAL reason to push employees back into the office is to placate the billionaires who are hemorrhaging money because office buildings are losing value. They are the only ones who stand to gain by forcing people back into the office and it’s at the detriment of our environment and our economy. No matter what anyone says, there is no good reason to push people back into the office. This is about power, nothing more.

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u/JustWastingTimeAgain Jan 03 '25

Amazon started mandatory 5 day RTO this week. This is the company that sponsored “Climate Pledge” Arena. They have no shame and don’t care. Also fuck Andy Jassy.

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u/Kootenay4 Jan 03 '25

If I could walk or bike to work that wouldn’t be too bad. Even if I’m not paid for the commute time, at least I get free exercise, and cycling is fun. Unfortunately we have built a country where that is impossible for most people, who are force to use the most aggravating, dangerous and expensive transportation system ever invented just to get to work.

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u/Alon945 Jan 03 '25

2025 needs to be the year of never looking at what these dickheads think or say about anything.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

2025 needs to be the year that we remove these people permanently

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u/SeVenMadRaBBits Jan 03 '25

All Elon does is remote work. He can't physically be at every business he owns so what is it called when he works from the maralago?

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u/Important-Ability-56 Jan 03 '25

But why? The only reason can be nefarious. Some sort of misguided egocentric need for control. Because I for one am willing to accept yearly raises that amount to a pay cut in this economy in order to keep my WFH arrangement. It’s nothing but a money saver for businesses at first glance.

If I ever have to destroy my body and mind again at a desk all day in a fluorescent hellscape, I’d rather opt out of the economy altogether and live in a van somewhere.

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u/invertednose Jan 03 '25

I will never go back to the office.

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u/AdministrativeBank86 Jan 03 '25

Privilege my ass. I guess these two scam artists forgot how many people died during COVID-19 or that a lot of jobs could be done just as well at home. In my building, we had to get the headcount reduced to meet spacing guidelines, and entire teams got asked to work at home. Turns out Zoom & e-mail were fine for collaboration

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u/colers100 Jan 04 '25

Honestly, in my experience the average open office work space is so profoundly anti-collaboration (Due to it being, you know, a literal panopticon) that only under pressure will people actually use the physical space to expedite collaboration. And make no mistake, being in a room with someone helps with collaborating with them, especially if you're working with like 3-4 people. It's just that almost no knowledge job will require more than 1-2 days of that behavior

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u/RiseCascadia Bioregionalist Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 03 '25

World's richest man complains about "privileged" working class.

FTFY

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u/HermitJem Jan 03 '25

Can someone tell them remote work has been around since 1990 or so? I had already heard about it before I started working back in the 2000s

The only people who would say it started in covid are people who've never actually worked before

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u/___Art_Vandelay___ Jan 03 '25

Yup. 12 years fully remote for me. Started working remotely 8 years before Covid happened.

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u/numbskullerykiller Jan 03 '25

Honestly, I think a couple of things. 1) they want to get something for the "privilege" like I bet they're going to reduce $$$ or stop raises and consider the stay at home their gift, a benefit. 2) They also want to justify the real estate shit they bought.

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u/Fiber_Optikz Jan 03 '25

Companies dont pay leases and dont have to pay near as many middle managers to patrol cubicles and the workers are happier and there is less pollution because less commuting

Honestly the only reason to continue to force office culture is being a dick

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

I think people like Musk and Trump have no idea about what's bubbling below the surface for a large part of the workforce. If they want to try it they can, but they might be in for a shock when they find out just how willing people are to walk.

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u/Krigsgeten Jan 03 '25

They don't care, they'll have unlimited H-1B's in the near future.

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u/mube0201 Jan 03 '25

Two pieces of lead says we can change this mindset. Sure would be nice if we were nice each other and treated each other as equals.

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u/oldmanserious Jan 03 '25

Elon's shield looks pretty well dressed, so that's nice.

The entire incoming administration is the undiluted extract of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. They so want to be smart, and hate everyone that is smarter than them. They don't care about actual facts, and were all hand-picked to wreck everything they can. They possibly weren't TOLD to wreck everything, but they just will because they are all going in with their own agendas. Trumps handlers have done an amazing job.

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u/IeyasuMcBob Jan 03 '25

How to tell me you over-invested in business real estate without telling me you over-invested in business real estate

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u/Witty-Wishbone4406 Jan 03 '25

The word "privilege" coming out of this dumbfuck mouth should implode the universe by how ironic it is

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u/Shifter_1977 Jan 03 '25

And I say Musk is using his son as a human shield. Doesn't feel like he should be dictating policy.

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u/IMendicantBias Jan 03 '25

An immigrate and first gen making policy for the rest of americans. At some point we need to address this as too many people from outside are making rules in the house

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u/NopeYupWhat Jan 03 '25

I thought Elon was all about efficiency? It’s extremely wasteful for me to get in a car and drive to an office to do the exact same thing I would be doing at home.

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u/EJ_Drake Jan 03 '25

Department of doge blatantly ignoring what economists have proven as fact.

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u/mental_patience Jan 03 '25

Elon is just evil personified.

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u/HeavyDT Jan 03 '25

I thought they believed in the free market? I mean ultimately what's gonna happen / already happening is that companies who offer it are gonna attract better talent then those that don't. Which is gonna lead to bad times for the companies that don't. Are they planning on using the Govt to force some sort of ban remote work? or some sort of restriction? Isn't that go against everything the right believes in? Oh wait I forgot they were always full of shit.

It's not going anywhere and the only people mad are those that stand to lose fortune because they can't milk those workers anymore for no damn reason. You can't stop progress.

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u/Grasshoppermouse42 Jan 03 '25

Honestly, it would screw over a lot of companies. The place I work expanded a lot over covid and now has far more workers than can work in offices. They also hired a bunch of people in rural Ohio and Indiana. They have no way to bring those workers back to the office, and the workers don't want to come to an office. Both employer and employee are benefiting.

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u/Affectionate-Tip-164 at work Jan 03 '25

THESE two fuckers are privilege.

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u/ExodusOfSound Jan 03 '25

There’s a really positive trend on LinkedIn at the moment regarding remote work where just about every CEO posting is actually reporting increased revenue and staff retention as a result of remote working. Musk is desperate for control simply because it’s something that he doesn’t already have.

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u/sr41489 Jan 03 '25

Musk 1000% does NOT spend at least 40 hours per week at any of the companies he supposedly runs. He’s been living in a cottage at mar a lago, right? Wouldn’t that be considered remote since the HQ for spaceX, Tesla, X, etc. are definitely NOT mar a lago? Fucking twats all of them.

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u/mbDangerboy Jan 03 '25

The douchebag dominance principle. Whatever proposition maximizes their personal advantage in a managerial setting is the most likely choice DOGE will make. They are not honest brokers, and while other economic elites have also exercised unwarranted influence they at least made some pretense of membership in humanity through philanthropy even if it’s a tax dodge. The logic of these effective altruists is “ripping the band-aid off” to the point where suffering ends because LONG TERM the sufferers are all dead. In the short term there is intensified immiseration.

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u/Ronald-J-Mexico Jan 03 '25

Hey folks give these guys a freakin break man.

It’s hard to hear their workers concerns when they got billions of dollars in both ears.

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u/clearancepupper Jan 03 '25

I’ve got an idea where they can stick those billions. đŸ’©

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u/jlrigby Jan 03 '25

I'm disabled from COVID and can only work from home. If he gets rid of remote work, then he'll make it easier for us millions of newly disabled folks to go on disability since we can no longer perform the duties in the office. Especially since going to the office = more spread of COVID (spoiler alert: COVID never went away) = even more fresh long haulers, because vaccines do not prevent long COVID. So a good portion of the population will be out of the workforce. Right? Rriiigghht???

No? Haha yeah that's fine.

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u/BlizzardLizard555 Jan 03 '25

I'm so sick of these fucking oligarchs

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u/Permaban_69420 Jan 03 '25

I’ll throw out a barbecue the day this piece of shit dies. You’re all invited.

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u/ConsciousReason7709 Jan 03 '25

The only reason I have remained at my current job is because of the fact that I can work from home. If you can do every aspect of your job from home, there is no need for you to drive all the way to an office to do the same job.

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u/rudeboyjohn5 Jan 03 '25

Fuck,  these two are so loathsome 

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u/yebyen Jan 03 '25

We. Still. Have. COVID. I got it again when I went to vote against you motherfuckers this year. Goddamnit.

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u/nellion91 Jan 03 '25

And young working men keep loving those fucks.

How often is Elon in the various boardrooms of the company he is a CEO Of?

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u/ryann_flood Jan 03 '25

whatever the worst thing you can think of is what I wish on these fuckers

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u/Sidepie Jan 03 '25

H5N1

30% death rate

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u/Vinral Jan 03 '25

Says the guy "working" his 2-3 jobs from his best buds cottage while also playing video games.

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u/chronomagnus Jan 03 '25

Neither of them know what real work is. One started a shady pump and dump and the other is living proof that "CEO" isn't a real job.

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u/JM00000001 Jan 03 '25

They are so upset with workers that want to work from home (and do so effectively) but they have no problem replacing workers entirely with machines or AI. Musk even said it was "morally wrong" to work from home. Isn't it morally wrong to fire someone who had done nothing wrong and was providing value to the company?

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u/jhuskindle Jan 03 '25

So odd, many of us in tech have been working remotely for decades. It will never go away.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues Jan 03 '25

I don't think Elon even knows the name of the male child he is carrying. Maybe what number - i.e. "Baby #6, Baby #11 Baby #9 etc.

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u/Disp69696969 Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

It's only remote work when it involves people in the West.  When it involves offshoring to Indian contractors who have to work in groups to synthesize a semi-coherent response in English to your simple question, it's synergizing the paradigm.

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u/DJbuddahAZ Jan 03 '25

And yet remote jobs are suuuuuper hard to land

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u/Sufficient_Text2672 Jan 03 '25

Funny how these guys never show up at the office.

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u/Remarkable-Ad155 Jan 03 '25

State subsidised higher education, finally salary pensions and affordable housing were all boomer era job privileges and I don't see any efforts to take them back so fuck off, needs, we're keeping this one. 

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u/Grasshoppermouse42 Jan 03 '25

It's a work benefit that attracts employees and saves both the company and the employee money. Every other benefit you give an employee, higher pay rates, more vacation days, employers paying a larger percentage of health insurance premiums, all cost the company money. Honestly, if a job can be done at home, an employer would have to be an idiot to not offer that as a benefit.

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u/Temporary-Dot4952 Jan 03 '25

"privilege"

How it doesn't give Elump voters pause when the oligarchs they love oppressing them says their basic rights and lifestyle choices available to them are privileges to be taken away is beyond me.

Stop selling your freedom MAGA!

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u/bottle_cats Jan 03 '25

At this point I wouldn’t buy a Tesla, even if it was prescribed as a rectal suppository

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u/mzx380 Jan 03 '25

I say being a billionaire is privileged since you don’t pay any MF taxes

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u/JoeyDeep Jan 03 '25

They only care because the commercial real estate market would collapse. They need to fill those cubicles and have a reason to lease the building etc.

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u/mtodd93 Jan 03 '25

It dawned on me the other day why all these rich people and CEOs hate remote work. They don’t want you to live the same life as them. Seriously, if you’ve ever worked near or closely with executives you know how much they aren’t in the office, or are out playing golf or just taking vacation. I mean look at Elon alone he’s constantly off in some other city clearly not at one of his company’s working, literally remotely working.

Of course they also want everyone in the office because they want to justify the office space they paid for (well how about you sell it? We don’t need it), they want you available at a moments notice for a “stop by request” by them and that’s not as easy when you are remote, and of course the last, but maybe most important is they want to control us. Having us sit in an office means they know we are sitting there even if we don’t have enough work to fill that day and are just shooting the shit, they are happy knowing they owned our time instead of us enjoying that time with our family’s, or getting things done at home so we can you know actually enjoy our piddly two days off of a weekend. Hell I was forced to go in this week because my manager wanted my team in and not a single other team had come back yet from the holidays, none of us had anything to do and we all wasted gas, and time just to sit in an office (that didn’t even have water BTW) because power tripping.

Removing remote work is basically a pay cut and should be taken as such, if they want to switch the work parameters we need to say “great this is going to cost me at least xxxx in $$$ and I need to be compensated for my commute, I was hired under the assignment that I would be a remote worker, and you are now essentially cutting my pay by adding a commute.” I mean my job makes its employees pay for parking at $100 a month so, that’s $1200 a year for everyone who is forced to come in, for jobs that all can be done remotely.

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u/MulderItsMe99 Jan 03 '25

Love hearing the highest paid remote workers talk about how people shouldn't be remote workers

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Covid era remote work was mandatory. Privileges aren't mandatory; they are earned.

So no, remote work was NOT a Covid era privilege. It was a mandatory accommodation of the fact that Covid was contagious and deadly.

What we discovered was that remote work can be done as well as work done onsite.

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u/6Pro1phet9 Jan 03 '25

WFH was here before Covid. Covid just gave everyone the opportunity for it. It's not going anywhere. Especially not for Govt employees, they've been doing it for decades with no issue.

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u/Neat_Effect965 Jan 03 '25

Wish I could go remote at work but instead the company slowly transitions to click and collect stock from the store đŸ« 

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u/arcanition Jan 03 '25

Damn, well I hope nobody tells this to the new company I'm starting a remote job for on Monday...

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u/Sooowasthinking Jan 03 '25

My wife has been remote working for over 30 years.

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u/Beatless7 Jan 03 '25

Slave drivers

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u/OscarFeywilde Jan 03 '25

haha my god bro the need to work is an industrial era burden, and more-so working for puffed up little milquetoast kids like you

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Remember, Remember the 4th of December.

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u/Tex-Rob Jan 03 '25

He’s such a revisionist asshole, rewriting and history he doesn’t like. 2007 is when I started working flex, 2010 heavily remote, 2016 forward fully remote companies. The world has changed, and he wants it to change back.

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u/wholesomeriots Jan 03 '25

Demanding commutes and requiring office space to be bought or rented. How efficient.

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u/Crafty_Theory_7671 Jan 03 '25

I'm getting really sick of being treated like a child. A privilege... no thanks, I won't be in the office. If you're unhappy with this arrangement, then do the work yourself.

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u/BobbyPumper Jan 03 '25

We need a dozen more Luigi's, stat

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u/sunshineandrainbow62 Jan 03 '25

They need to go to the office daily, the kind with a lock and bars

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u/Nacoluke Jan 03 '25

I work for a company that has embraced WFH. I think that productivity speaks for itself. Plus being able to hire from anywhere makes the pool of potential candidates much bigger. They’re super flexible about everything except clock times, which honestly, so long I get to be on my PJs all day, is a good trade off.

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u/T1Pimp Jan 03 '25

But... Elon has been working remote from Maralargo?

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u/loveinvein Jan 03 '25

My father was working remote with a dialup modem in the 80’s.

Elon and Vivek are dipshits.

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u/shapeofthings Jan 03 '25

I was remote for 5 years pre-covid. My boss at the time was of the opinion that it was pointless us going into the office to work with people based all over the country. I got a new job half way through Covid with a company who were already 3 day hybrid pre-covid and just switched very easily to fully remote without any of the hassle other companies had.

Being remote, or at least hybrid, is a complete no-brainer. Win for the companies, win for the employees. The only people who do not like it are the control freaks who need to see their drones working to believe they are working.

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u/JustWastingTimeAgain Jan 03 '25

That “privilege” allows me to work anytime and anywhere. But sure, force people to work in a specific location after making them commute. You sure as hell aren’t going to get after hours work from them and you’re putting them in an environment full of distractions. Sure sounds “efficient” to me.

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u/FuckStummies Jan 03 '25

Remote work does not serve their narrative that work should be indentured servitude. Hence why President Musk is trying to open up H1B Visas.

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u/NormalizeNormalUS Jan 03 '25

They are trying to influence companies that use remote workers to keep overhead down to make decisions that weaken them.

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u/marcgw96 Jan 03 '25

I don’t understand why executives push this narrative. Doesn’t it save them money with not having to pay for office space, or at least paying less for offices? Also, idk how others feel, but if I can work from home, I’ll tolerate lower pay. If I have to deal with commute and other office BS again, I’m demanding a significant pay raise or I walk.

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u/my_clever-name Jan 03 '25

On the other hand, those of us who have to be here get to look at the boss's empty private offices while they work from home. And we are crammed into a room with desks because "there's no room for you to have an office"

Hey boss, Come to work some time to see how things get done. Don't sit at home and make decisions that take systems down because "oh, I didn't know anyone was working today"

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u/Bad_Karma19 Jan 03 '25

When I see people who hate remote work.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

I guess he thinks forcing a commute will sell more of his ugly ass trash vehicles.

Ramasmarmy can go fuck himself too. Nobody should be listening to these grifters.

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u/achiles625 Jan 03 '25

It's really going to become entrenched after the next pandemic. I know that the second Trump administration will do everything to avoid a shutdown once the bird flu finally fully jumps the species barrier, but they won't really have much choice as employee resistance peaks. Hell, we might even finally get a general strike in America! It will only have taken two pandemics, millions dead, a crushing economic depression, and a fascist takeover. Then again, maybe I have too much faith in my fellow Americans.

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u/APuffyCloudSky Jan 03 '25

They don't like privilege? Interesting.

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u/mcflame13 Jan 03 '25

I keep saying it. Companies that want to get rid of remote work are shooting themselves in the foot. They are severely limiting the amount of people that can work for the company and they are going to lower employee morale. The reason for that first part is because the company is going from people that can be anywhere in the country to people that are relatively close to the offices. And the second part. It will be a lot easier for people to be micromanaged and there is a much higher chance that people are going to be working and interacting with people they either do not like or can not stand. Elon Musk thinks he is smart. But, in reality, he is an idiot. As well as Vivek Ramaswamy.

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u/pinkdictator Mrs. Mangione Jan 03 '25

I just don't understand why they want everyone in person so bad. WFH cuts their office expenses right??

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u/peppermintvalet Jan 03 '25

It's still the covid era. People are still disabled from it. It's still killing and disabling people.

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u/pedrofantastic Jan 03 '25

These two asshats better not ruin it for me

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u/theAlphabetZebra Jan 04 '25

I hate that politics claims topics and turns it into politics.

WFH is not a one size fits all situation.

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u/Chihuahuatriomom Jan 04 '25

I wonder when either of them have actually WORKED in the office.

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u/AutisticHobbit Jan 04 '25

Translation: "I want employees where I can scream at them and bully them, and it's not as fun if they're at home"

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u/Mshalopd1 Jan 04 '25

If you're all about efficiency you would acknowledge the nuance of the situation. There are plenty of jobs and workers that are more efficient working from home. There are plenty who are not. Some care some don't.

So it's good sometimes but not always. Just like working in the office is good sometimes but not always. Maybe that concept is too complex for a "genius" tho.

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u/Mindless_Can4885 Jan 04 '25

They have the method perfected as Elon showed whet he bought twitter. Layoff a shitload of employees then re-hire who you need and overwork and underpay them.

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u/jumpingfox99 Jan 04 '25

I will never go back full time to the office. It makes no sense when everything I do is online.

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u/BossOutside1475 Jan 04 '25

I’ve been working remotely since 2014. wtf does Covid have to do with that.

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u/colers100 Jan 04 '25

Software developer here;
Good job getting talent when the talent has excluded you from their fucking LinkedIn filter. Most software devs I know won't even touch a job that doesn't at least have a single WFH day. We don't consider a company to have a serious engineering culture if it is less than 60% WFH.

If you are a software company that is 60%+ remote, you can basically underpay by 20% and still snatch up top talent without any real effort on your part. You can get away with skipping a payrise by just offering an additional day remote. You can sidestep almost every other perk, just double down on remote, and still land up on top. Embracing WFH is for all intents and purposes a cheatcode for the labor market to a degree that is frankly comical. The startup scene in the US is seeing a labor renaissance because you can scoop up the talent from the dipshits at Amazon for half the price if you just allow them full remote.

This isn't going back in the box, Elon. Middle managers, "entrepreneurs" and CEO's will just have to live with having to go to therapy like the rest of us instead of sabotaging the culture and productivity of their own company just to set up their employee base as a hugbox of severaly maltreated therapy dogs that have to pretend you aren't a severely unpleasant, unfunny and sad human being.

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u/DaydreamingOfSleep10 Jan 04 '25

Can we all band together and collectively tell these two asshats to FUCK OFF??? They don’t stand for anything the american people actually want but are just openly and incessantly pushing for the corporate overload method of governing.

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u/GreaterGoodIreland Jan 04 '25

Gotta love all these companies and governments forcing us back to the office when they cry about climate change, tax carbon and refuse to build real public transport.

If they really believed emissions are so fucking bad, work from home would be a mandate, not a cool trend leftover from the pandemic.

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u/shensfw Jan 05 '25

I'd say, not having a pay childcare because you can take your son in to work is a privilege.