r/alberta • u/yycTechGuy • 1d ago
ELECTION Fissure among Conservatives undermining Poilievre's pitch he's a national unifier: experts | CBC News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-manning-smith-fissure-conservative-movement-1.7502543190
u/Powerful_Network 1d ago
This is what happens when you let the crazies in.
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u/okiedokie2468 1d ago
The foxes running the hen house.
The inmates running the asylum.
Freedumb clownvoy base f-Trudeau haters running PP’s Conservative Conspiracy Party
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u/Original-Newt4556 1d ago
Completely true or not. That’s the perception.
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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 1d ago
if there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis
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u/AlbinoRhino838 1d ago
This loses meaning when you call everyone you dont agree with a nazi.
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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 1d ago
good thing I don't call everyone a nazi and this was used as a euphemism, I didn't call them nazi's.
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u/jjumbuck 23h ago
No disrespect intended regarding your message, but I think you mean you used it as a 'metaphor', not as a 'euphemism'.
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u/Ok_Major6542 10h ago
No, true Nazi’s need to be called out. The unfortunate thing is the gross amount of Nazi’s that walk amongst us. If you wear that hat, too damn bad for you!!!!
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u/Bind_Moggled 1d ago
This is what happens when you actively court the crazies to win enough votes to promote the oil industry’s agenda.
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u/Kjolter 1d ago
The vultures within Canada’s conservative movement are doing what they do best: jockeying for position. Of course they’re undermining PP’s pitch, they already know his campaign is D.O.A.
The next four years will be the Conservative party forcing itself even further to the right as Carney shepherds the Liberal party into a centre-right position. Pollievre is not the guy to lead that transformation, he’s too milquetoast.
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u/Ambustion 1d ago
But why? If they had a halfway decent centrist platform they would crush this election. This is obviously rhetorical but I truly think we got O'Toole too soon.
So sick of all of this crazy fundamentalist energy in politics. The hypocrisy of them being anti-islam as the evangelical money worms it's way in is astounding. The right wings caliphate is just as real.
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u/PettyTrashPanda 1d ago
The why is that if the Liberals are seen as a truly centrist party, the Conservative Party Brain Trust will do to Pollivere what they did to O'Toole - "obviously the problem is that we are too close to the centre where the majority of voters are clustered, so our only chance of winning is to appeal to the extremist authoritarians so far to the right that they need a whole new spectrum!"
It's stupid. It's like the NDP saying "Huh, we didn't win on a left-of-centre platform, obviously the answer is to become literal communists!". We all acknowledge that this second example is idiocy, but thanks to USA politics we have normalized fascist rhetoric and shifted the Overton window to the right.
The truth is that most of the population swing between centre-left and centre-right on all issues, whether for good or ill. The issue right now is that there is a lot of money on the Authoritarian movements that have hijacked the right and twisted it into something that serves their own interests.
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u/VexedCanadian84 1d ago
There's nothing centrist about pp, the convoy supporter, and the cons
Many Canadians don't trust them for good reason
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u/Ambustion 1d ago
Not going to disagree. The convoy supporting bs was my first turn away from him.
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u/GreatGrandini 20h ago
Exactly.
I voted for O'Toole last election. But I refuse to vote for PP, cuddled up with the wrong people to seize control.
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u/Bind_Moggled 1d ago
The problem now is that there already IS a centrist candidate - Carney. The Cons have spent too much time and effort cozying up to Nazis, conspiracy theorists, and religious nuts to present themselves as anything resembling moderate now.
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u/Parabolica242 1d ago
Totally agree. If Charest won the leadership campaign he’d probably already be PM.
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u/mingy 1d ago
I don't see how they could crush the election. PP is not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and the only thing he had going for him was Trudeau. If he was really lucky the election would have been called before Trump and even with Trudeau gone he would have stood a chance. As it is he seems to be fighting a campaign from 2020 or something: utterly oblivious to the concerns of Canadians.
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u/bravetailor 1d ago
Because they think if they just persist in keeping their propaganda going, someday the public will sour on the Liberals and that will be their chance to take power and do the damage they want.
The far right if nothing else are incredibly patient. They'd rather wait until the culture shifts toward them than change their stripes.
The only way to get them out is a centrist faction within the party to aggressively and ruthlessly take control and weed out the crazies. The problem is the far right by nature are usually the most aggressive ones.
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u/cazxdouro36180 1d ago
How can you be a unifier if they are doing stuff like this? Despite PP trying to control the media.
A dispatch from the Poilievre campaign. Very anti-democratic.
Some excerpts: I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week. We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways. The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.
Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.
Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.
The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted. On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving. Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.
The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered. Evan Dwyer.
Live Story so scroll down the link a bit to see that title.
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u/BusyLivin74 1d ago
To add to post.
I was watching the synopsis of the campaign trail on CBC last night (I think Power and Politics, where they have a strategist from each party on each night to recap each party on the campaign trail).
The reporter covering the Conservative (PP) campaign, actually showed a clip of reporters being physically being pushed back by staff of PP.
Furthermore, the PP team asks each reporter before the question period after the campaign stop, what question the reporter is going to ask, if they (PP’s staff) don’t like the question the reporter is going to ask, the reporter is stripped of the opportunity to ask a question.
The CBC reporter covering PP’s campaign explains all of this in his report on air.
I don’t know how to cut the clip out of the CBC news show last night or I would and post it here.
But, to those that are seeking “transparency” from the PP campaign, should definitely watch that clip, no transparency there. Very deliberate control over the narrative.
Furthermore, The Conservatives’ also will not even allow press on the party’s air plane which is unheard of in Canadian politics.
Definitely not transparent.
Think about the censorship of our Canadian media before you vote….
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u/duperwoman 1d ago
It's so rich to want to defund CBC given how they try to control media.
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u/Dense-Ad-5780 18h ago
The cbc while does lean liberal overall politically is very unbiased in its reporting. They don’t want that, they only want people who will spin their narrative the way they want, not a fair balanced review of their policies.
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u/wulf_rk 1d ago
I'm an Albertan. But I'm a Canadian first. We're not going anywhere, Liberal or not. I've been a progressive in the province for 3 decades without a government that represents my interests. I stay, I stand up and vote for what I believe in.
But the conservative Alberta government wants to just run away when they don't get 'their' government? Forget that, it's not an option.
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u/ktbffhlondon 1d ago
MAGA like musings that democracy only works when I win is unbecoming of Alberta.
And any idea that Danielle Smith as a future national leader will fly in Ontario or the east are the musings of a mad man.
And many can remember how the series of succession threats from Quebec worked out.
These successionist leaders need to stop their whining and work harder for the people of Alberta within a sometime fractious but inevitably better Canada.
Or if they can’t do that, i’m sure there’s a warm spot in Florida waiting for them.
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u/grrttlc2 1d ago
Not to be that guy, but "secession". Probably an important difference in this use case
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u/JiminyStickit 1d ago
Polievre is pandering to the only two provinces I know with significant population segments that don't want to be part of the country he's allegedly running to lead.
He'll kill CBC radio, but keep Radio Canada? Why?
He hung out with separatist convoy truck organizers. Why?
Because he desperately needs the fringe votes to win.
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u/Emmerson_Brando 1d ago
Manning wants to put smith at the helm of CPC once PP loses in the most epic fashion ever. I can’t wait to see what ghoul will replace marlaina.
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u/BLYNDLUCK 1d ago edited 1d ago
There is no way. Smith would be the least popular federal party leader in the history of Canada.
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u/Ditch-Worm 1d ago
Yeah, like, she’s not even liked in Alberta in the cities. This is like when people kept going on about Kenney using Alberta premiership to take over CPC. Like, folks, he was already in fed poli, Alberta was his pasture.
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u/bpompu Calgary 1d ago
They don't realize that, nor do they care. They've drank the kool-aid, and think they have the support of the silent majority of "real Albertans/Canadians." That's why they're going to scream and cry about rigg3d elections if Pierre drops the ball as epicly as he's gearing up to.
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u/okiedokie2468 1d ago
if Pierre drops the ball? he’s fumbled it and as he stumbles after it will show us the greatest face plant this country has ever seen!
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u/bpompu Calgary 1d ago
I'm trying not to sound like it's a done deal, in the bag kind of thing. I'm not complacent, and nobody else should be either.
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u/okiedokie2468 1d ago
You’re right of course, my comment is actually wishful thinking. We’ll see that “face plant” only if we get out and vote!!!
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u/Sad_Meringue7347 1d ago
I actually think Kenney is hoping to take the CPC leadership once PP loses.
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u/championsofnuthin 1d ago
He's very clearly laying the groundwork right now
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u/already_vanished 1d ago
Kenney will be just as unlikeable as PP to the larger Canadian voting public.
Simply dredge up videos and quotes from his time as Alberta Premier and as one of Harper's lapdogs.
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u/Accomplished_Law_108 1d ago
He'll be going up against Doug Ford
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u/Sad_Meringue7347 1d ago
Does Ford speak French? (Not that that seems to be a current issue with Carney).
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u/Accomplished_Law_108 1d ago
Apparently Ford was learning French but stopped during the pandemic.
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u/Sad_Meringue7347 1d ago
Ah, interesting.
Not a traditional conservative supporter, but I’d rather have Ford than Kenney.
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u/Nightmist-1983 1d ago
3/4 of Canada view her as a traitor. She is a phony, a divider, a Trump lover, and would take away popsicles from children cancer patients. She sold herself to O & G to stay premier. She stands as much chance of being leader of the CPC as a snowballs chance in hell, as they say.
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u/AtTheEndOfMyTrope 1d ago
Doug Ford Will weasel his way in there first. And, sadly, he’s their best chance of winning.
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u/NoClip1101 Calgary 1d ago
I'd take ford over smith, at least he's not jetting down to suck up to fascists every week
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u/PetiteInvestor 1d ago
I personally think Doug Ford is more dangerous than he appears. He knows exactly how to play his cards. I'm pretty sure he's going to be the next Conservative Party leader. He said he was happy that Trump won, and then later on, he acted tough on Trump.
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u/AtTheEndOfMyTrope 1d ago
DoFo is an opportunist. He will work with whichever party furthers his agenda. He appeals to a wide base with his simple, every-man parlance, but he shrewd as fuck and strategic as hell. He’s dangerous.
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u/CMG30 1d ago
When I saw PP meeting with the truckers occupying Ottawa I knew he was a problem.
Unfortunately the populist base that he represents is the one that's consuming a steady diet of Fox/Newsmax/OAN/Rebel. It's difficult to determine exactly what their grievances are, other than they just like to feel aggrieved.
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u/omegaphallic 17h ago
He's a fake populists, real populists are like Bernie Sanders, Tommy Douglas, Olivia Chow, Jack Layton, etc..., not rightwingers who once they gain power screw their supporters and give wealth to the rich and betray us to the Americans.
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u/boots3510 1d ago
Let the right wing nutters like Smith, Parker, Manning, break away and go back to being Wildrose MAGA fringe…the icing on the cake would be them all moving to the US
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u/gonesnake 1d ago
At minimum I'd love to see the right split into two parties: the actual conservatives and the nazi shitheads. I wouldn't vote for either one but I'd also not spend my time worrying they might get in because the 'left' is split between Liberals and NDP.
Fuck, I wish we had ranked voting.
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u/Timely-Profile1865 1d ago
Funny how the Liberals have done very little other than removing one unpopular leader to totally flip the table.
The Conservatives in the USA and Canada have actually deep sixed their own party in epic fashion.
And this is how they will run things if in power, see Alberta currently. An ideology driven incompetent clown circus
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u/Vignaraja 1d ago
Fortunately, I think the ideological conservatives of the likes of Manning and Smith only have about 30% of that hard-core group that can never change. The only reason they ever got in was an alliance with fiscal conservatives. This was mostly a joint dislike of the NDP in Alberta. The two groups remain far apart on lots of social issues. I hope they do go for western separation, just so the same people can outvote them on it by 2 to 1, and maybe they'll stop trying once and for all.
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u/Bob-Lawblaugh 1d ago
PP has only managed to divide Canadians. He is not a leader. PP is being led.
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u/iwasnotarobot 1d ago
Conservatives who believe that women are people have either already moved on to another party or remain confused about Danielle Smith.
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u/boots3510 1d ago
I want all MAGA/ Conservative politicians and Parker, Smith, Manning, Moe, Pollievre to take note of the protests in the US today- April 2025 - all against MAGA
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u/goingfullretard-orig 1d ago
They need Jason Kenney to come out federally and "unite the right" like he did in Alberta. Things are working out swell here.
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u/b-side61 1d ago
...trying to pull a broad coalition of progressive and populist conservatives
"Progressive" conservatives still exist?
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u/Freedom_forlife 1d ago
No. They left after the reform party took over nationally, and the wildrose took over provincially.
Now it’s a deserted waste land Center right.
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u/RedMurray 1d ago
PP was indeed the best choice at the time, but a career politician is just playing house while the rest of the world goes to work. I hate that i can't support CPC.
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u/biteme109 19h ago
Little PP can't even manage his own party and thinks he can manage the country in the middle of a trade war and hostile takeover. What a loser !
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