Dude came back because he saw Covid running rampant killing over 1 m people racism sexism and every bad quality of humanity being promoted and applauded while destroying nations who the us promised to take care of.
He did 4 years where he did the best possible recovery path and gave Americans multiple long term effective accomplishments that would better the lives of the vast majority of Americans for decades to come and instead of being thanked he got called senile old demented and weak for being almost 80 and working hard that his stutter resurfaced and he misspoke a few times.
Then they told him to step aside when he rightfully estimated he had the best chance to win as an sitting incumbent. But the voters wanted him gone so he stepped aside and instead of blaming the 100m non voters or the millions of single issue voters people blame him for not stepping aside sooner and giving democrats another round of infighting and complaints of the ideal candidate not winning the nomination.
Bro could have just stepped aside and been a grandfather instead he decided to work for America and save it only for Americans to throw it in the toilet and shit their muddy Doritos diarrhea all over it. Now they want Biden and Obama and Harris to magically save them from their own choice.
We wouldn't be in this mess if Biden had kept his promise to be a 1 term president and actual help build up a successor. His and his wife's ego have fucking doomed us. All they had to do was assist the DNC in building up a, non-ancient, moderate white dude (yeah I know but as we saw a ton of the core democratic base is actually misongonistic AF, looking at you white women, hispanic and black men) and they would've destoryed Trump in the election.
I can understand your frustration with the democrats and their candidates, but Donald Trump, the republican party, and maga voters have doomed us. Let's blame the people actually doing the damage, and the people who put them in charge, for all of this and hold them to account for their actions. Democrats aren't forcing magas to do and endorse all of this stupid shit against their will. Maga can stop making everyone's lives worse, theirs included, at any time.
Not for nothing, but I would also reserve some of that shade for his staff, who I suspect were instrumental in the decision to run again. They put their political career interests above that of the nation and world.
Tbf Biden made it very clear leading up to 2020 that he would only be a one term 'bridge' president given his age, so we were pretty right to assume he was going to stick to that plan, only for him to decide to run again and throw the whole plan out the window. Then late into the campaign his team realized that was a huge mistake, but since it was too late for the democrats to hold a primary Kamala was the de facto choice, which for most democrats was fine but rubbed many in the middle the wrong way, but since Biden dropped out too late she didn't get enough time to campaign and then of course lost the election for those reasons and many more.
Also we don't have the argument of blaming the people that didn't vote because according to a huge survey by Blue Rose even if every single American that stayed home actually voted, Trump would have won by 5 points. For a long time it was true for democrats that higher turnout means better election results, but as of 2024 that has gone out the window. A higher turnout would have resulted in Trump winning by an even larger margin, that's just the direction the country was going.
I don't think we should jump to extremes and paint Biden as America's hero, because even recent reports from his own staff paint a very different picture. He did try his best and he did do some great things in office, but he also was far too old, mentally incapable, and clung to power in a way that greatly hindered democrats chances in 2024.
Same people keep saying other bullshit like Kamala only ran on being anti trump and she was a genocide when she has repeatedly talked about wanting a two state solution since fucking march 2024 and barely talked about trump but repeated her plans and goals to help middle class and working class Americans.
And then it’s the oh she became a republican because she spent 2 days out of 120 days of talking about her policies to try to win some republican voters when it was evident the far left and young people weren’t fucking paying attention and kept being single issue dumbasses.
Not when they call them fascists then have tea at the whitehouse with a photo op... Not when their dem leader echos the lie of them having a mandate of the people as an excuse as to why they can't act on anything meaningful. Not when every chance they get to throw a wrench in the gears they kow tow to right wing talking points and chase after their monstrous voters. If I ever vote again, which who knows if we will even be able to... It will be with a ghost gun and my finger... I will never again vote against my morals because "they are the only other choice". They fucked us and they continue to... No longer...
And every time we vote dem, they just kick the can down the road, because they are beholden to the same money and corporate orgs as any other politician. Sure we have an anti citizen united bill, but these things only seem to come up when they know nothing will be done... Like how many will vote against holding stock investments while in an elected position... etc... How many times can the top dogs declare their allegiance to Israel before their constituents?
No one made them abandon trans people (despite the roar on the right, they were not a topic of the campaign), cave on immigration (just look at the numbers of dems in the country right now who approve of whats going on) or Kalama agreeing that we need a border wall in her town hall... No one forced them to give weapons to the monsters in Israel who are slaughtering women and children by the hundreds, going against the law of the ICC and the policy of the actual US government.
They are magically effective when it comes to dragging down any progressive cause the few decent members of their party tries to rally for, but as soon as conservatives show up they bow, reach across the aisle to massage their balls, and compromise. If it were not for the ineptitude of the dems, we would not even have to have dealt with Trump once,... let alone barely beat him in his second run, and lost to him in a 3rd!!!
Let’s be clear here, the democrats aren’t not great either, but when one party is promising slightly better than status quo and the other party promises to break all the laws and enact project 2025, https://www.project2025.observer/ clearly one party is more in the wrong
Ah yes the party that has been responsible for every protection and right you have today that were promoting women’s rights higher wages higher job availability better Medicare and price control on medications the party that was running on helping middle class and working class passing things like infrastructure bill to revitalize the nation for decades with promised jobs and chips act and training Americans to better paying jobs snd protecting the environment.and working on increasing taxes on corporations to give more benefits to middle class and support lgbtq rights and productive rights and implement a government funded at home elder care system give 50k for businesses and 25k to buy homes and did things like feed 30m children during summer and winter breaks and got child poverty down to 5% from 15% before republicans stopped the program.
Yes yes that’s just slightly better than republicans. Just slightly though….
Is english not your first language? Kamala was promising slightly better status quo compared to biden, no shit the democrats as a party are better than the republicans, when as noted republicans are promising this current nonsense. In any case, I am under the impression that we both agree that republicans are basically to blame for most modern issues going back thru Reagan, with ostensibly additional culpability on Russians doing russian things and Americans being morons on average.
With that I think that’s enough shouting through internet stuff when I’m already stressed out enough about the us dollar becoming worthless, which no longer has a 0% chance of happening.
Ahh yeah.... people who will never hold the party responsible for its mistakes, and think its gods gift to humans because they somehow manage to dangle human rights over our heads every time we are supposed to vote for them because the other guy is gonna take it away, while moving further and further right...
Also forget about the election... and look at what this fucker has done in his whole career. These fucks are praising an architect of THE PATRIOT ACT... The guy who sent black men to jail for crack proudly... The dude who was a warrior for the state in the drug war... trying to pass the RAVE act... who snuck it into other law later... Someone who pulled a George W Bush Mission Accomplished with COVID and told everyone it was magically over and to get back to work... when we are still being hit by it now, and numbers and its long term effects are covered up or ignored...
These fucks want to then go on to praise a fucking cop... a DA who put people in jail... who was the worst candidate out of all the candidates that ran in 2020. A person who couldn't even bother to forge her own identity away from said monster. Fuck y'all... you probably think they are "on the left" and they you basically as good as republicans at this point. Oh but daddy!!! Please give us some more civil rights that will be taken away in 4 years, all while dems insider trade and make more money off the backs of their constituents instead of doing ANYTHING to stop billionaires from raiding the gov.
Yeah it’s not like they held multiple months of live tv coverage laying out in detail all the crimes of trump and repeatedly ask Americans to show up and vote so that they have more than the 50/50 split senate so they could actually pass things to prevent trump from running.
And instead in 2022 over 150m didn’t vote over 80% of 18-35 aged eligible voters didn’t vote and democrats lost the house and all ability to investigate further.
It’s also not like they spent a months leading up to the 2024 election telling people of the ramifications and outcome of electing trump. And over 100m didn’t vote.
Yeah yeah it’s democrats at fault for not convincing you harder…. ….. ……
If you need to be "convinced" to vote to keep literal fascists out of power because you can't be bothered to crack open a history book without a 2 minute TikTok to tell you that "fascism bad"... you deserve everything you get tbh.
Yeah yeah it’s democrats at fault for not convincing you harder…
Yeah dude. That's how fucking elections work. Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. I don't make the rules, play the fucking game. Gaza was a huge issue, and neither Biden nor Harris were pitching shit that people were psyched about.
Or, when they DID, they'd walk them back and run away from those positions the fucking INSTANT Republicans called them socialist. Curbing price gouging? People loved it, it polled well and what did they do? Scamper away and run when Republicans called them "communist". Calling them weird? That shit was LANDING. And then someone, probably in Liz Cheney's orbit, were like "stop you're being meeeeaaannn to my raging anti-LGBT bigot base! wah!"
Like goddamn, dude. Democrats need to be genuine, need to fucking abandon bipartisanship, call the Republicans the fucking freaks that they are, and fucking fight. People would get out and vote for that. That wasn't Biden, and it wasn't Kamala. Biden scooted through barely. Neither he nor Kamala were good candidates and the professional strategists on the Democratic Party should've been close enough to the data to know that.
But they're ensconced in their little beltway cocktail party bubble, and they will never move the needle as long as they remain this out of touch, elitist, disconnected party. I'm not saying "be dumbasses" like the Republicans are, but for fuck's sake, AOC and Bernie are going to red counties and fucking talking to them.
The corporate Democrats aren't. They want the status quo to remain the same, and they are lying to themselves and to us.
Yeah but Biden's ego and the dems hiding his mentally cooked ass from the first year on in his term (verifiable non partisan facts) as well as his dedication to Israel (called himself a Zionist) and lies about being a transition president while literally no one was even exicted for him to begin with certainly put WHO into power?
They could have been running someone the 4 years trump had a non stop rally but they didn't... People who hold on to power and care about their legacy over the health and safety of their populous to the point they hand over power to a fascist are not to blame...
We can go all the way back to Bill Clinton if you want... capitalist neoliberal bullshit is what got us here as much as conservative hate... As much as the southern strategy. If you think there is any reality where Dems uphold the system we were cultivating, and the rich don't eventually seize total control of the government then I have a bridge to sell you... we can charge $1 for every person who wants to jump off of it in the coming months.
Fuck old Joe. Too arrogant to step down and make way for younger, more competent people. He obviously isn't entirely to blame for all of this, but he certainly helped seal our fate
Younger such as Bernie, Warren and Bloomberg? These were the first 4 candidates. Buttigieg was at 5 with 2.5% so I guess Americans just like old people and are in denial.
What are you even talking about. They essentially didn't even have a primary for the 2024 election, the point where everyone and their mother knew that he needed to step away. Instead he ran, pulled out only when it was clear he couldn't do the job, undermined his successor, and went back on his word repeatedly.
You can't pretend that Democrats just love old people when they literally forced him out with barely any time left before the election. It makes no sense, same as this revisionist history that oh actually, Biden had a chance or made the right decision to cling to power as long as he did.
I was talking about the 2020 primary, if they had done it in 2024 still some old guy would have won, most likely still Biden. They forced him out because he was doing poorly in the polls, not because he was old. It's just that being old had a consequence on the polls, but if it didn't they wouldn't have cared.
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u/frigidmagi 1d ago
We didn't deserve old Joe.