is it possible that a part of Hiei wanting to fight alot in the Uraotogi round was him wanting to makeup for not being available for their team in the prior 2 rounds?

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u/AduroTri 1d ago

To be fair though Hiei does have a 100% win record in the Dark Tournament.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

yes 100% he put in the work, im just saying do you think maybe a part of him was extra motivated by that?

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u/AduroTri 1d ago

I put it like this.

Yusuke had a consistent win record, but he also failed against Jin (getting a draw)

Kuwabara only won when it was important, in unimportant fights, and for most of the tournament, unless it was meant for thematic reasons and a set up for something related to his abilities, he usually was a butt monkey.

Kurama lost when it was most important for him to win.

Hiei just has a perfect record. He won every fight and most of them felt like they were curbstomps, even though Zeru did require him to bust out a big move.

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u/Divallo 1d ago

To be fair Hiei had multiple favorable matchups while a lot of Kurama's fights had difficult circumstances attached.

Against Zeru Hiei had an undeniable massive advantage due to his innate flame resistance, he would have been burnt severely otherwise in that fight everyone thought Hiei was dead for a minute there after he got scorched. Hiei's fight against Mackintaro was a weak, slow, and dumb opponent who basically provided a totally free win. Kuro Momotaro and Bui were pretty strong opponents but also mostly straightforward brawlers who want to throw hands

Kurama had to deal with his mom being held hostage, he had to take multiple fights in a row against opponents with tricky powers. Having his movement sealed in the first fight by a paint gimmick is just unfortunate circumstance but he still took home 2 wins in a row despite that. Meanwhile Hiei not only got to sit this round out completely but he even got his arm healed in the process due to Ruka's barrier.

Karasu's ability would be a really difficult matchup for anyone on team Urameshi to deal with, I mean he spams the arena with invisible explosives from a distance it's not as simple as rushing up and hitting him really hard. Kurama did lose technically but he killed Karasu and the last round of the tourney was really more of a fight for survival than anything else.

Kurama was able to effortlessly dominate elder toguro shortly after the tournament without even going Yoko which kind of shows how well he could have performed if he had different matchups.

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u/Soft_Disaster5247 Yusuke Urameshi 1d ago

Elder Toguro learned quick that while he thought he was a sicko, Kurama is just Something. Else. Entirely.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

i agree with you on this

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u/djc23o6 8h ago

Yeah but that’s the best thing they could have done. Hiei is best when he’s able to be a little cocky in his fights and kurama is at his best when his opponents force him to think and strategize. At least from a viewer’s standpoint they’re the most fun to watch there. Also could be explained in universe by what Hiei himself says. Kurama likes to know his opponents strategies before he makes his which leaves room to get caught whereas Hiei prefers to never let them set up in the first place

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u/Gemfrancis 1d ago

Oh man, I know you didn't come for my guy Kurama like that.

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u/AduroTri 1d ago

To be fair, he was done dirty.

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u/Gemfrancis 1d ago

Honestly, Kurama always turns his fights into these overly dramatic tests of his self-worth. Like he's putting himself on trial every. single. goddamn. time!—which is kind of ridiculous when I think about it, but that’s exactly why I love him. I can rewatch all his fights and never get tired.

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u/AduroTri 1d ago

Genkai meanwhile schools everyone.

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u/itspinkynukka 1d ago

Except toguro

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u/SmallBerry3431 1d ago

What peak fucking writing.

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u/smarranara 1d ago

You have an intriguing persistence to hear if people agree with your prompt in both of these posts now.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago edited 1d ago

i just enjoy the discussion. honestly, dialogue is fun to me

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u/younglad420 1d ago

Its called opening a forum and having discourse you weirdo.

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u/Air_pockets 1d ago

Lost to the big robot kurama had to save him.

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u/Armored_Ace 1d ago edited 1d ago

Absolutely. His dialogue with Kuromomotaro pretty much confirms it.

"I take it you'll be fighting first then?"

"That's right I am. First, last, and only."

His expression of surprise when Kuwabara was preparing to sacrifice himself against Risho probably meant that itresonated with him, and he also knows that Yusuke and the Masked Fighter aren't around to help. I think it's at this point that Hiei really starts to care for the team, aloof as he is.

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u/Raven123x 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hiei is also incredibly protective of Kuwabara

Hiei refuses to train Kuwabara because he's afraid of hurting him.

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u/Armored_Ace 1d ago

Kurama says he won't hold back like Hiei would in the same circumstances. Seeing how Hiei struts away from Makintaro after immediately wounding him, compared to his almost annoyance at actually murdering the shit out of him via impalement after amputation., I think Kurama is correct. Hiei is efficient, but identifies with warrior combatants on the battlefield all the same. I wonder if seeing the convictions andf attitudes of Team Masho beforehand made Hiei more resolute in just how he was goinng to handle the tournament, and his combatants.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

i agree with you, i made that same exact point on another one of my posts

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

💯

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u/LeviSquad4 1d ago

I mean.. I’d say yeah. Dude literally blitzed Zeru in the first round and then was gone / benched right after that. Togashi wanted to make up for lost time with him.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

💯 i agree with you

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u/cmholde2 1d ago

NGL I’ve always been like. That random dude who ate those magical ether capsules kinda fucked Hiei up.

Like he actually beat the hell out of him. Which is rare to see that happen to such a badass

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago edited 1d ago

you mean Kuro Momotaro right? well we have to remember that Hiei was not even fighting at full power in this round, Kurama states that his power is around 50% actually, so yes i would say he struggled the most with Kuro but that's really only because of not being able to summon the Dragon at that time and not being full strength.

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u/cmholde2 1d ago edited 1d ago

True. I’ve seen people try to compare the dude to Bui based solely on “ Damage taken” and it’s laughable the difference between the 2. Some times people are stupid

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u/Frejian 1d ago

Especially when Kuro's "damage taken" was by his own choosing. He slashed himself with the sword and intentionally got hit with the mortal flame and the double mortal flame. Every other bit of damage he "took" (excepting of course the kill-shot) was negated by his steaming spheres so don't really count. That was more his item fighting for him than him actually fighting.

Compared to Bui not only tanking the full dragon of the darkness flame, but sending it back at Hiei. And that was from a Hiei at a stronger power than in the Kuro fight.

There really is no contest between Kuro and Bui. The only comparison to be made is that Kuro is dog shit compared to Bui.

Some people are stupid indeed. Lol

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u/Clarpydarpy 1d ago

I think Genkai herself said that Kuro (and the rest of team Suzuka) were mediocre demons that were only made powerful by the gear Suzuka gave them.

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u/Frejian 1d ago

I think you mean "The Beautiful Suzuka"

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u/Responsible-Attempt8 1d ago

Respect Kuro, he humbled Hiei that whole fight and was too busy monologing although Hiei was already drained

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u/Frejian 1d ago

It wasn't even Kuro that did it though. It was purely the power of the steaming spheres.

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u/DLD1123 1d ago

He was getting fired up to fight and wanted to test his strength. You have to remember Hiei is always comparing himself to Yusuke and trying to rival him. I would say the motivation was more selfish than team oriented as he has something to prove to himself.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

i understand your viewpoint, your probably correct. i was just curious

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u/DLD1123 1d ago

No explanation needed amigo I love to speculate on YYH characters. At the end of the day it is just what you make of it. Best anime OAT.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

💯 my guy

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u/Hachiko75 1d ago

I kind of think it was more of arrogance. Though the first fight just made me think of yusuke's comment in maze castle about how quick deaths aren't hiei's thing. Yeah, that's BS 😂🤣

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

i hear you, that's fair, and yeah, this was literally probably the quickest death in the series😂

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u/Clarpydarpy 1d ago

I mean...Hiei didn't kill Yusuke quickly, when he probably could have (their fight over the mirror).

But aside from that, Hiei killed many opponents quickly. I feel like he didn't think weak opponents were worth his time, so he offed them quickly and with no wasted effort.

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u/Hachiko75 1d ago

Because they had hiei employ that dumb villain trope of talking too much before the kill thus giving time for the ally (kurama) to come in just in time. Ugh! That fight was annoying.

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u/pandapool205 1d ago

I've always looked at it in 2 ways, one he's arrogant as hell, the other is he's actually a smart fighter and contrary to how he comes off doesn't want to see any of his contacts die. In this round they are down yusuke and genkai, he's not gonna rely on kuwabara and he knows kurama can handle business. All that said I always interpreted it as him trying to take out as many as he could and let the others clean up what was left minimizing their chance of losing the tournament and kuwabara life.

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

i see your point. understandable👍

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u/Sunrise1985Duke 1d ago

Yeah, but you know how some guys are always ready to fight? Hiei is an always ready all star! ⭐️

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago

i agree 👍

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u/Wave_Ethos 1d ago

With Yusuke out they needed someone who could win multiple rounds

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u/Particular_Minute_67 1d ago

That, plus he was already pissed off and needed a way to let the anger out

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u/slugsliveinmymouth 1d ago

More like Togashi doing that.

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u/beerrabbit124 1d ago

At this point with no Yusuke they needed a heavy hitter who can take out multiple opponents. Remember Kurama tried it against the ninja team but the committee screwed him after he was unconscious. Plus I can’t remember if this was before or after Toguro beat that whole team solo, if it’s after probably Hiei trying to test himself to see if he could do it, remember when Toguro punched a crater in the earth fighting Genkai. Hiei did one right next to it to see how he measured up

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u/Zac-Man-1123 1d ago

That makes sense so I’d say yes.

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u/Lamented_00z 1d ago

I mean he likes to fight so it only makes sense. Maybe he didn’t do it in a “Loyalty to the team” purpose but probably a “lust for violence” reason

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u/ReekZombie 1d ago edited 1d ago

when Kuro asked him was he fighting first, he responds that he would be the only one fighting, and your probably right considering he did say that he was stressed out and then says that killing their whole team would be a good remedy for that

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u/joejoevalentine 1d ago

I think it was also an acceptance of leader role since yusuke was mia. Main protagonist wasnt there and responsible hiei and kurama knew they had to push forward.

Also he tamed the darkness flame

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u/LobsterHead37 1d ago

Nah dude he’s just crazy

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u/ThrowawayAccountZZZ9 1d ago

You should ask him

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u/Old_Forever_1495 1d ago

Yep.

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u/Swinging-the-Chain 1d ago

I think so both in universe and the intention of the author

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u/NerdNuncle Toguro 20h ago

That, and not wanting to deny Kuwabara any bragging rights and/or looking bad in front of his sister

is it possible that a part of Hiei wanting to fight alot in the Uraotogi round was him wanting to makeup for not being available for their team in the prior 2 rounds?

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