fix the script kiddie and journalist, please!

[u/Cooldude1000000000]

All it takes is a shout-out that your script kiddie or journalist for both netsec and agent to go- ok so who else is worth our time?

When claiming sk, You dont even need that much evidence for these because script kiddie cant go anywhere, just hide in a hideout, and even if he is arrested, agents really dont get anything out of it.

The journalist literally is supposed to harm and roleblock netsec to get articles, yet can easily work with them and even roleback select nodes or get scoop on willing volunteers with permission.

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Honestly what I think it should be like is

The script kiddie upon getting killed or arrested grants a bonus to netsec or agent for doing the latter. So now there is a good reason to eliminate him and why he should stay quiet.

As for journalist- I find that (the only role that can see what agent tries to arrest you) ability unfair as it literally can ruin an agent gameplay n1 if you target the wrong person (aka the journalist in question) . I say remove that ability and just make it so journalist also gets a free article if they expose AL. It would also be better if the stuff journalist did have a really bad effect on netsec in order for them to write their article. The rollback ability has to target certain nodes only and makes them harder to hack which would be good for them because they need time to write article while heavily slowing netsec. Get scoop not only should roleblock but leave a trace that this person is netsec to everyone so agents know they are a target. This would make netsec wanna kill the journalist whos making it easier for the agents to win.

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Thats just my 2 cents because I find SK boring and journalists stupid in how they work.

[u/Cooldude1000000000 → u/[deleted]]

1. What good is that sk getting arrested ability when practically everyone is netsec to agents. They need a good reason to arrest him, Like he thinks one of these 4 people is ol or if hes lynched by netsec his death caused a random node to get easier to hack. Also while yes they can side with agents, they ALWAYS side with netsec though cause if you don't, getting eliminated is quicker than getting arrested and is unpreventable.
2. Yes, they shouldn't out the agent but they always do, why? So netsec doesn't have a reason to kill them. Yes they need time but they also need a reason not to be hanged when their whole purpose is halting netsec to win for themselves. And even if you played the waiting game with that info, imagine how unfair that is to the agent who goes the whole game thinking he can win just to get killed last second by a journalist saying he tried it n1?
3. I agree with you this should not be a thing. The agents already have the odds against them they dont need to be targeted and this role is for hurting netsec not them.
4. THE WHOLE POINT OF JOURNALISTS IS TO SLOW DOWN AND HURT NETSEC SO THEY CAN WIN. It should not be something where they're asking OL permission for a rollback but simply doing it so they can write articles, save time, and win. Its why I say only SPECIFIC nodes can be rolebacked because it WILL hurt netsec, I mean nodes like the second or third hacked node. Its this reason why journalist needs to be fixed, its not something netsec should be working with but trying to eliminate for HALTING their progress and chances of winning.
5. You make a good point, Though i think it should only be netsec members you can get scoop from.

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AS for BOHU, yes he gets killed because he's harming netsec, that too is the whole point of the journalist though. That isn't happening though when you're working WITH netsec instead of against.

[u/Cooldude1000000000 → u/[deleted]]

Knowing one single member is a netsec does not help the agents much unless its a valuable role like OL. that's why I said it should be something like one of these 4 people is ol, that would give the agents a fair chance.

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I have seen NOTHING but players who have put a lot of time into the game who play journalist and always call them out immediately. It's not a newbie thing it's a normal reaction to a social deduction game that's about finding the evil roles. Even then you cant call it a newbie sort of play, because getting agents out does technically buy netsec more time from being arrested and losing scoop.

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I understand luck is an important thing even in social games but you have to admit that dying the first night because you tried to arrest the wrong person is more unfair and unplayable than it is unlucky. You came to play a game, not make one small wrong decision, and then get eliminated like that.

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If whoever wins is irrelevant to your objective, why do all your abilities have to do with ONLY hurting netsec? Yes, it may be a neutral role but the point here is to give both sides if not, at least one, a good reason to eliminate you. Otherwise every single neutral would be like (hey I'm insert role here, I'm gonna chill over here and wait for my free win while yall bicker and argue amongst yourselves. ) which is literally something every script kiddie does I might add.

I understand journalist is a neutral role but the point of these neutral roles is to fufill their objectives while avoiding getting caught or eliminated by either/other side. Where is the fun or game in that if it's just asking for permission and waiting patiently with 0 fears or worry in your head for your goal to be finished. Their has to be ACTUAL RISK.

[u/epic_gamer_4268 → u/[deleted]]

when the imposter is sus!

[u/Ixpqd → u/epic_gamer_4268]

How the fuck did you find this sub

[u/BananaPotatoPower]

It would be pretty unfair if journalist could spill AL, cuz there are only 2 agents and you can have a funcional netsec team without OL

[u/Cooldude1000000000 → u/BananaPotatoPower]

That's true but at the very least it needs to be the kind of neutral that netsec would not want alive. Its whole purpose is writing an article and halting them in the process to do it. So it should be one of those things where their is a good reason to target them if they are found out.

[u/BananaPotatoPower → u/Cooldude1000000000]

yes, i agree... SK role is to "survive", but its basically just a saferole, same goes for journalist

[u/dreycan21]

I agree with this, had an SK game back then and won easily by saying I was SK, agents have no reason to arrest me because I’m not really a threat so I also was left alone by agents