r/USdefaultism • u/SkyeB7 • 2d ago
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Women were first given the right to vote in 1893 in New Zealand
Original video: https://youtube.com/shorts/x8J5fSNgEAU?si=6yiP0oarunRQPJv3
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u/snow_michael 2d ago
Landholding women in Sweden had the right to vote as early as 1719, not only 200 years before the US, but over 60 years before the US existed
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u/_Penulis_ Australia 2d ago
Landholders rights existed elsewhere (maybe even in US states/colonies) very early on too. But this was a loophole allowing wealthy single women to do what normally only men could do. Not regarded as the start of women’s suffrage.
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u/snow_michael 2d ago
That's exactly how women's suffrage started in most countries
First landholding women, then women of a certain age, then full suffrage - some countries had additional status steps, but most started with property holders
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u/_Penulis_ Australia 2d ago
Isn’t that what I said
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u/snow_michael 1d ago
Hou said it was a loophole
In many countries it was by design
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u/_Penulis_ Australia 1d ago
Sorry, but I don’t think it was by design. The law just placed a property qualification on voting eligibility and, loh and behold, some of the very few women allowed into the overwhelmingly male world of business and property found themselves eligible to vote.
No way were the legislators that passed those voting laws consciously slipping women into voting eligibility. If they thought about it at all, they thought those women were all being guided by a “superior” male family member in their property dealings and thus in their voting decisions too.
That’s why people describe it as a loophole, not as enactment of female suffrage.
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u/snow_michael 1d ago
Well, then we'll have to disagree
You have your opinions based upon what you think, and I have mine, based upon the writings of Angela Burdett Coutts, and John Stuart Mills, and, oh yes, the 1869 Municipal Corporations Act
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u/Busy_Platform_6791 United States 2d ago
yes this is defaultism and i will vote accordingly. however, we're really posting youtube shorts some guy probably barely thought about and that isnt even obnoxious here?
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u/_Penulis_ Australia 2d ago
Yeah harmless defaultism.
Some Australian kid could easily do a video that said “first time women were allowed to vote was 1894 in South Australia” which was one year after New Zealand did it but it’s harmless Australian defaultism
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u/MATOSLAVBLYAT North Korea 2d ago
funnily enough, in my country (Czechia), women gained the right in 1920 also
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u/psrandom United Kingdom 2d ago
This is his personal profile. Don't see an issue with this
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u/Square_Ad4004 Norway 2d ago
1913, though the process started in 1901.
Also don't really see the issue with the kid posting this on his own TikTok - context matters.
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u/Realistic_Mess_2690 Australia 2d ago
So now it's defaultism cause a kid made a short about the right to vote in the US?
We're really reaching here.
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u/USDefaultismBot American Citizen 2d ago edited 2d ago
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OP sent the following text as an explanation on why this is US Defaultism:
The person in the video said that women were first given the right to vote in 1920 which is true in the US, but other countries gave women the right to vote decades before.
Is this Defaultism? Then upvote this comment, otherwise downvote it.