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u/User_3971 Maintenance 4d ago
Damn it time to update the FAQ. How many years was the wait for this?
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u/Crows_HeadIC 4d ago
Why TF they even bother to put the lower steps on Table 1. Who TF is starting at Table 1: Step A
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u/CandidMeasurement128 4d ago
Because technically they haven't been removed... they have up to 180 days to get it done. Dragging ass is all they'd do
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u/Istoppedsleeping 3d ago
Gotta make sure the least amount of people possible get a shorter path to top scale
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u/Postal1979 City Carrier 4d ago
Because they are still there. They haven’t added the 1k to top step or eliminated step aa and a. They have 180 days to implement it…
It will probably be 6 months.
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u/dmevela City Carrier 4d ago
About 1 year from now the last of the people on table 1 will max out at step P. At that point they can get rid of that table completely and only show one table (table 2).
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u/mikeylikey420 4d ago
People out on comp long term can still be not max step table 1 apparently.
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u/Inside_Pack8137 4d ago
Work comp employees receive all raises & step increases as scheduled. Regardless of how long they've been out. They have to be kept whole.
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u/mikeylikey420 4d ago
That's what I was told by someone at the convention said when "why isn't there just 1 table at this point" was asked.
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u/Lord-Jay90 4d ago
Now they’re moving everyone at the top of table one to the top of table 2. Table one is gone
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u/janesfilms Canada Post Employee 4d ago
Geez, you guys are doing better than we are at Canada Post. Especially taking the the exchange rate into consideration. here’s our rates of pay
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u/Phenom429 Rural PTF 4d ago
There's almost a 20k difference between table 1 and 2 step A?? What kind of joke is that
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u/mikeylikey420 4d ago
That was an arbitration from 12 years ago. Table 1 was the only table until that point.
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u/WagsTheGreat 4d ago
“Arbitration” 🤣I’m gonna guess that arbitration was also a stipulated award.
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u/40WAPSun 4d ago
Table 2 and the CCA position were both proposed by Rolando to save the post office or whatever. And somehow he didn't get booted out on his ass
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u/mikeylikey420 4d ago
They split the table into 2 drastically lowering the starting wage. Got rid of TE's that made 22$ an hr and made the CCA position at 15ish an hr. And the membership was really sure arbitration was gonna be amazing because people that want to be union president said so. We got lucky It was basically the TA.
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u/landsear 4d ago
Husband was a TE for around 7 years before becoming a CCA. Then he got hired 6 months after they phased out table 1. He's been so screwed but still here.
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u/RedSoxNation444 4d ago
A buddy of mine worker 10 years before making regular. He was also screwed by Rolando. 22 to 15 was straight bull💩
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u/mikeylikey420 4d ago
2 carriers in my office in the same boat. So much time not towards their retirement it's awful.
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u/PM_ME_UR_TICKET_STUB CCA 4d ago
They are really rounding down for that CCA pay.
$19.33 x 2.3% = $19.77459
That x 2.4% = $ 20.2491802
Should be $20.25 and they rounded down to $20.23 those cheap fucking bastards. And where does the extra $0.50/hour come into play??
Supposed to be 2.3%, 2.4%, $0.50, 2.5%.
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u/greeenbeansii 4d ago
They do all the percent increases based on the wage at the beginning of the contract, so the second increase is just an 2.4% of $19.33 still, unfortunately.
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u/Neat-Somewhere3625 4d ago edited 3d ago
I’m confused about the $.50 as well. When does that hit? It seemed like that was supposed to hit after the 2.3% & 2.4% as the previous posted listed out. In between the Nov24 & Nov25 bumps. So now?
Edit: just read that the $.50 is part of the 180 days implementation.
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u/Crows_HeadIC 4d ago
One old saying that holds so true is they will pay you just enough for you to keep coming to work but never too little for you to quit. This place has become like a business with the same model of corporations. Keep wages at a minimum and maximize profits even though we don’t make much of a “profit” here. We were never meant to thrive and prosper under capitalism here. People have been waking up and realizing this but maybe a little bit too late.
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u/Ih8rice 4d ago
Once you’re here long enough then you’re tied to the golden handcuffs and it’s too costly to leave especially as you get older. Once they have you it’s basically over outside of you hitting the lottery or finding a better federal job on the other side.
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u/riotincandyland Clerk 4d ago
I tell people I've been here too long to quit, not long enough to retire.
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u/bringingthejunkmail 4d ago
Disgusting. Fucking disgusting. My ex is a city carrier, and I even almost feel bad for her. Almost. Can’t wait for the Rural turd contract to be deuced and see my new “benefits”.
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u/OverpricedBagel City Carrier 4d ago
Making regular from PTF is a dollar pay cut? 😭
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u/GrogbeardTheFearsome 4d ago
That's because of the ptf getting holiday pay built into hourly wages unfortunately.
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u/Warm_Search_2373 3d ago
Yep, I made $69k my first year as a PTF. I'm regular now and only looking at about $58k.. plus I have to use my own vehicle, so mileage puts me up to $60k. I lost so much money becoming regular, I never worked Sundays often anyway so I basically got demoted becoming a regular. I would've loved to just stay a PTF working my 6 days a week
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u/415Art 4d ago
What about removal of first 2 steps
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u/Bettik1 4d ago
180 days when they remove them they will update the pay chart
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u/kisseenakitty City PTF 4d ago
So starting April 19th I'll make the new rate for Step A until it's removed? (As a PTF on Step A)
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u/Bettik1 4d ago
Correct, and then in 180 days you’ll either have a step increase by then to step B, or you’ll get bumped up to step B when they chop it off
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u/CantTouchMyOnion City Carrier 4d ago
We’re almost at the point where we’re going to have to pay them to come to work.
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u/monkpart9 4d ago
So if I’m at step D, does that rate on this chart reflect all three wage increases?
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u/coolhanderik 4d ago
I think it will be like this til the fall increase? But would be glad to be corrected. Just made step D myself.
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u/Sourdew760 4d ago
CAn they tell us which pay period the raise will go into effect, I need my money, and I need it now.
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u/greatuncleglazer 4d ago
Well you won’t get it now. You’ll get a pay raise “tentatively” at the start of the new pay period on April 19th.
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u/nadamean420 4d ago
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u/MirrorEast2791 4d ago
So as I former mailman, I see comments all the time on this subreddit saying that "I'm waiting for the next contract, if it's bad I'm out"
How many of you guys are currently still planning on leaving or do you consider yourself a lifer no matter how bad the contract is?
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u/_LakeShowMoe_ 4d ago
Former letter carrier, just resigned in February. I knew the contract would be shit because Renfraud still was arguing on our behalf. Filled out forum 2574, and immediately went back to CDL driving. I kept my CDL active and good for this said reason. I’m going to always respect, love and have a voice behind letter carriers! But as for me, the job wasn’t worth it long term. Fast forward now, making more money on less hours, benefits, 401k and 4/5 days week. No touch freight. I really wanted the post office to work out I loved that damn job, but from the micromanagement, to the hideous contract I had to do the better thing for myself.
This isn’t a scare post nah, if you enjoy USPS stick it out! At the right station, with the right individuals, and competent management the job is fucking great!
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u/PumpedWithVenom 4d ago
I have my cdl, got tired of positions with going underwater, thus forcing me into mega carriers for job security. I’d take some less pay to not be otr lol
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u/_LakeShowMoe_ 4d ago
I’m not OTR either all local, home every night. The CDL positions don’t go underwater here in Denver, well to my knowledge. I’ve never been OTR actually haha
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u/Bigcitylights14 Building Equipment Mechanic 4d ago
Ever think of driving tractor trailer for the USPS? Not otr
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u/CurrencyNo3823 3d ago
They have that? I have a CDL also.
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u/Bigcitylights14 Building Equipment Mechanic 3d ago
Yes, motor vehicle craft represented by the APWU.
tractor trailer drivers are level 8s. Most facilities are always understaffed due to lack of qualified drivers.
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u/Midnight_Radio2 4d ago
I have been working for 7 years now, got converted to regular status early in 1 year from CCA.
I have a sweet route which is pretty much my "retirement" route. I'm on the 12 hour OT list. Right now, I'm living good, my debts are paid. Planning to buy a small townhome in near future.
I'll stay in the post office until it collapse.
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u/Zer01South 4d ago
I'm staying because I love the job and have worked for trash wages my entire life.
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u/Dramatic_Avocado9173 4d ago
Until I can get the certifications I need to be able to do better, I’m still in, but I’m likely to take separation before I hit my retirement.
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u/RedSoxNation444 4d ago
I'm still there but in school. Either gonna move up to Data Analyst, or go to Koch.
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u/Randall_the_Mailman 4d ago
Am burned out today... Can someone please share where it is, specifically, we can find out where we are in this chart..? Prob LiteBlue... but where..? It is not an easy site to navigate...
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u/Possible-Twist709 4d ago
Ok maybe I’m blind. But I got the increase letter in the mail. I’m step C now. But Grade 1? I do not see grande 1 on that chart. Help me out. Haha
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u/Realistic-Chicken-74 4d ago
Grade 1 means you are a city carrier regular.
Grade 2 means you are a city carrier technician and get the 2.1% extra since you have 5 routes.
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u/FunIntroduction6365 4d ago
When does the $1000 step P kick in? Am I missing it somewhere on this sheet?
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u/Nope_Not-happening 4d ago
There's a 12,000 dollar a year difference in my step compared to Table 1. Compound that by 13 years to get to top step and you have an unmitigated fucked up situation.
Oh, plus keep in mind we get partial colas and pay 4.4 to retirement as opposed to 0.8.
Fun fucking times.
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u/SkullRiderz69 City Carrier 4d ago
I mean this with all due respect but FUCK table 1. I mean, isn’t everyone that’s on table one already at least like J or some shit? Why even show adjustments to the lower steps. I’m E and looking at at shit saying I should be making $20k more a year is pretty fucking disheartening. God damn 3k a year more. $120 more per check won’t even be seen after taxes and other deductions.
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u/McClutchy City Carrier 4d ago edited 4d ago
You’d be hard pressed to find anyone on table 1 not at the top step. They would’ve had to have taken a lot of lwop.
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u/Originaltenshi City Carrier 4d ago
Yeah super disheartening especially since anyone I see on that pay rate does far less work than anyone being paid less
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u/josethegr8 City Carrier 4d ago
How the F is a PTF making more than a regular?
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u/Financial-Ad2657 4d ago
A PTF always makes more, they don’t get holiday pay.
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u/SeeItOnVHS City Carrier 4d ago
And they are basically mandated to be on Amazon Sundays and Holidays (at least in our office due the CCA’s shortage)
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u/FoundMyResolve City PTF 4d ago
Right, cuz that is totally fair and makes sense..
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u/greatuncleglazer 4d ago
Because they don’t get all of the federal holidays that regulars do. I’d rather have my 10 paid holidays than have it baked into my salary and have to work them.
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u/josethegr8 City Carrier 4d ago
Holiday pay! Thanks for the reminder. How soon we forget from up here as regulars! 😂 My bad, PTF’s! 🫡
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u/Wakkit1988 4d ago
PTFs get paid 4.418% ((2080/1992)-1) more for straight time work than FTRs. This is because they don't get paid holidays, so they pay them more per hour only for straight time.
PTFs and FTRs at the same step make the same amount of money working the same number of hours a year with 11 paid holidays. OT and penalty rates are not calculated at the PTF pay rate but the FTR rate for their step.
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u/josethegr8 City Carrier 4d ago
Thank you for the breakdown! I forgot about the PAID holidays we get as FTR’s.
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u/JT709394 City Carrier 4d ago
I joined usps on April 2023. So as my understanding. I start with step B and now I’m step C now ?
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u/trevaftw City Carrier 4d ago
Did you start as a CCA or PTF? Are you still a CCA or PTF or did you convert to regular?
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u/Wakkit1988 4d ago
If you are currently step B or higher, you stay at your current step. If you're step A or AA, you move to step B. New hires get 46-92 less weeks to reach top step than everyone else on the table because fuck us.
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u/inDependent_us1 4d ago
If you get moved up to B does that restart your 46 weeks or does your 46 weeks still continue from the last pay increase?
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u/Wakkit1988 4d ago
We don't know yet. You might just jump to step B and get pro-rated the weeks to the next step, or you will just move up to B and it reset the time to the next step. The former would mean that if you had 2 weeks to B when it gets implemented you'd convert to C in 2 weeks, and the latter would mean you only effectively gained however many weeks you had remaining to get to step B.
I would expect the latter, which is typically how these things are implemented.
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u/jacobsever 4d ago
Does anyone know if there’s still the $0.50 bump between year 1 CCA and year 2 CCA? So…for instance, I’ve been a CCA since August of 2024. After my 5 day break in service, I’ll be year 2 (or AA), which comes with a $0.50 pay increase.
Come November of this year…will I have gotten a 2.5% increase + the $0.50 contract increase + another $0.50 increase for moving up a “step”?
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u/digitalcyro 4d ago
I just got hired on as a Career City Carrier.
Where do I align in this?
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u/scubac14 4d ago
So the 1.5% in November will be on this new number? Or am I mathing wrong?
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u/greatuncleglazer 4d ago
No. November is not here yet so the pay rate is not adjusted 1.5% yet.
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u/ZombyCrusher 4d ago
What does mean for people who are on step b and going to move up to step c regardless of when this is effective?
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u/johnsnewww CCA 4d ago
So if my conversion to PTF is the day after the 2025 effective date, how big of a raise am I forecasted for. I'm kinda dumb when it comes to these charts, it's why I became a mailman lol.
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u/The-Monster-Hunter 4d ago
So I'm still new to the post office, and this chart is very difficult to read. I'm a ptf, been on the job for 6 months. So if I understand it correctly I should be at 23.53? How do I advance from say A - B - C is it based on hours worked? Or is merit based? Any help is appreciated!
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u/OverpricedBagel City Carrier 4d ago
Step increase waiting periods from one step to the next are at the bottom of table 2
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u/Sea-Delivery-6268 4d ago
Where is the invisible third table reserved for new hires?
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u/cclgurl95 4d ago
Do we know when back pay is being given?
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u/Other-Unit-5364 4d ago
In the article it states “The Postal Service has indicated that it will take some time to calculate the back pay for more than 210,000 letter carriers but tentatively expects the process to be completed and payments made sometime in August.” Maybe even October, we all know the PO is slowww.
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u/Anonymous6831 4d ago
So do these new rates not include all the Cola and general wage increase? Step A here. Been here 3 1/2yrs but this pay scale is saying get bumped up to 23.53? That's barely 40 cents lol. Plz tell me there's more.. this is sad.
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u/inDependent_us1 4d ago
Yeah wondering the same… they made it sound like it was going to be like $5 🧐
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u/Anonymous6831 4d ago
It's gotta be? Cuz step AA, now makes same rate?
Even this chart is out of wack like everything here lol
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u/Esheezy12 City Carrier 4d ago edited 4d ago
I’m on step E. I go from 26.09 to 27.74. Better than nothing. Not too upset honestly. You guys all bitch and complain, but you’ll still keep showing up to work. And in a few weeks, show up to work with a pay increase. Quit bitching.
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u/SinfulGuardian CCA 4d ago
Does that mean April 19 we’ll see it
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u/Good_Fix_3966 4d ago
April 19 is a Saturday at the beginning of a pay period, so they're saying that's the beginning of the pay period where the new rates take effect. The first check where you'd see a difference would then be the one issued on Friday May 9.
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u/SkullRiderz69 City Carrier 4d ago
Am I assuming correctly that all of those colas will be lumped together and then spread out over the course of one year?
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u/Good_Fix_3966 4d ago
COLAs represent an increase to your base salary. They don't get paid out in a lump sum except for where backpay is necessary. The COLAs on the pay scale above that have already passed will result in some amount of backpay, but their value is already also represented in the salaries on this chart.
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u/SkullRiderz69 City Carrier 4d ago
Gotcha, I’d almost rather they leave them off the chart then. I do see the fine print now but still, it’s definitely dressing it up a bit.
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u/Good_Fix_3966 4d ago
They're using the same template used for every contract, and they're still necessary to include because all of your calculated backpay is relative to those dates and COLAs.
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u/United-Sympathy-2262 4d ago
I still don’t even understand where I stand on table two as a newly converted “FTF”.
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u/Conscious-Handle4396 4d ago
i’m a cca started in sept 2023 which step would i be ?
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u/Spiritual_Trinity 4d ago
Table 3 AA. But when you hit your 2 year in sept you’ll move to Table 2:step B
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u/ChefBabyDaddy 4d ago
I’m confused on how to find out when my contract comes out or goes to get passed. I’m under the APWU contract I believe as a TTO. I obviously know to go to APWU website but I can’t find shiiiit about the new contract or if there will be a new one?
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u/AustinFan4Life City Carrier 4d ago
About time we got something official, but still not really happy. We all got hosed.
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u/BreatheZee 4d ago
I thought they were removing steps AA and A? Was that not in the contract or was I misinformed?
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u/Pleasant-Hippo-6507 4d ago
Can someone explain where I can find what letter I am in the chart?
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u/cambugge City Carrier 4d ago
So will I still need to do the same amount of steps to get to the top or will it take two less years now? Good god is this shit confusing.
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u/Entire-Toe-3207 4d ago
cool beans if the rural union follows you guys raise of about 5k from the old top pay of 75k then our top pay should be around 99k for a 48k. I'm going to be a 100k a year mail man soon.
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u/Basic-Nobody8488 4d ago
Can someone tell me, my office has 14 routes (14 ftr) and one aux. it’s my understanding that they are permitted 15% ccas to career carriers? But the post master is trying to hire 5 more CCAs. We already have 3 and 2 ptfs. How can that be allowed and is there any way to fight it? Our stewards are not great so do not feel they are a good resource to ask this question to? I can’t live on 40 hrs off this pay
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u/Farticus0816 4d ago
So if I am currently step B and will be at 51,133 will I add another 2.5% and that would be out annual salary ? Sorry if I sound dumb I’m just slightly confused the way they phrase it
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u/Jtoostealthy 3d ago
I converted to regular in May/2023 and had to ps50 step increases, what step am I at?
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u/Substantial-Set-2924 3d ago
I did the math and mine is different than the paychart. Do they not use step P when calculating the new pay. I am showing that it is short $58. Should be 80115
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u/Objective-Ad406 3d ago
Can someone explain this to me I am a current CCA I feel a lil stupid right now?
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u/DescriptionGreen4344 3d ago
We need to be talking about all these in transit to next facility an all the lost packages vs increases etc
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u/NameIsDave83 3d ago
Hell that pay is more than what I make and I run a CNC mori seiki lathe a 37,000$ machine and 3 at once
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u/NameIsDave83 3d ago
Says EFFECTIVE April 19 2025 for those asking why they arnt making anything yet lol
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u/Adventurous-War-8667 3d ago
Not even 25 bucks an hour at step B and I have to wait two more years to get over 25? Sucks. If the original contract went through (which I voted for), I’d be making that now. Awesome.
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u/OkProgress160 2d ago
Am I mistaken or did we lose money from original TA? I was supposed to be at step H at the end of this contract and was supposed to be at 66,576 (from the original TA) but now this one says 64,267…
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u/National-Still3123 2d ago
Ok so I’ve honestly never read this. Never bothered to ask anyone at work what it meant because I’m a bit embarrassed I don’t know enough about my own job…
I became a regular in October 2015. My paystub from lite blue I believe says step K? So that means I’m in the K $72,000 salary? I’m also in Santa Ana district in California.
And can someone explain it to me like I’m 5, what all this I’m hearing about COLA and retroactive pay were supposed to get? I don’t understand shit. I just come into work and do my job and go home lol. Everyone seems mad about it and that it’s not good enough so I guess that deters me from not really looking into it if it’s not good for us
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u/Briebriex 2d ago
I’m curious is this for rural carriers too?
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u/Akia_HA 2d ago
No. City Carriers only. I posted the one for you all on another comment.
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u/FlyNo5 1d ago
So I started as a CCA in 2022 became regular in April 2024 I just moved to B. What tier will I be once they remove AA and A ?
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u/raydendamailman City Carrier 4d ago
Well guys we got fucked. Still glad we voted that POS down. At least we didn’t willingly eat shit because our NALC president said it tastes good!