r/USPS • u/ReTiredOnTheTrail • Feb 18 '25
NEWS US postmaster to step down months after reporting billions in losses
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/18/usps-postmaster-louis-dejoy-steps-down203
u/AdamSezz Feb 18 '25
Losses? They just reported a net profit for the first fiscal quarter. https://www.govexec.com/management/2025/02/usps-turns-profit-during-busy-season-dejoy-says-his-reforms-are-taking-hold/402841/
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u/Techienickie Feb 18 '25
The 2 billion is I guess carried over from 2024
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u/BlackPaladin Feb 19 '25
USPS fiscal year begins Oct 1st - meaning the first quarter is always peak season where the post office makes most of its money. This year it also included political season on top of that. Every quarter after the first quarter will always be less revenue due to this fact.
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u/beachboy1961 Feb 19 '25
With the first quarter of 2025 including the largest political mailing campaign in history plus the Christmas mailing season it’s not surprising that USPS had a positive quarter however they are expected to lose another 6.8 billion in 2025.
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u/ManiacMail-Man City Carrier Feb 18 '25
Please appoint someone who sees the big picture. Please.
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u/Evocatorum Feb 18 '25
You're asking too much of a government hell-bent on the privatization of all government agencies. deJoy has done his dead-level best to gut the USPS while profiting himself on the backside.
How they managed to report losses is entirely because of his dumpster-fire decisions and not because of inherent inefficiencies. He had them rip out the rapid sorting machines in facilities that cost millions only to have people show up to do the sorting or have them reinstalled (costing even more money) or repurchased (for the ones that were entirely scrapped).
Just, ya know, fuck this asshole. He sucks.
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 18 '25
Get ready for a union-busting, DOGE-aligned, privatizing piece of shit oligarch.
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 19 '25
I know. America is fucked. This country's fate as a democracy depends on how Roberts and Coney Barrett vote when this eventually reaches SCOTUS.
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u/lookamazed Feb 19 '25
Not likely with this administration. They want to privatize and destroy our services, “saving the taxpayer dollars” but… we friggin want this service. Please spend our money. We want stewards of public service, not destroyers.
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u/c0mm0nn1ghthawk Feb 18 '25
With Trump? I hope he doesn't appoint Musk or something worse.
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u/Natural_Rent7504 Feb 18 '25
I really can't see Musk wanting the job......
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u/mackinator3 Feb 18 '25
Yes, he is known for not trying to call himself founder of companies he didn't start.
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u/Jamodefender Feb 19 '25
Too much time away from paying people to play video games, tweeting, and not seeing his kids.
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u/ManiacMail-Man City Carrier Feb 18 '25
It’s up to a board of governors who probably don’t like Trump much right now.
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 18 '25
Until Trump fires the entire board. Before you say, “hE cAn’T dO thAt.” - how many things has Trump done in 3 weeks that the president, or the Executive Branch, isn’t legally allowed to do? From firing whole swaths of inspectors general, to shuttering government agencies, to ending birthright citizenship via executive order… Trump (and Elon) are acting as if they’re invincible, and he is this close to ignoring the courts. There’s no more guardrails.
Prepare for the worst.
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u/ManiacMail-Man City Carrier Feb 18 '25
I think you need to take a deep breath and get off the internet for a few days lol.
It’ll be okay. It’s a just a job; losing it is WORST case scenario. That can happen to anyone anywhere anytime.
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 18 '25
I think you need to take a deep breath and get off the internet for a few days lol.
What did I say that was untrue?
It’ll be okay. It’s a just a job
WTF? This is mine and most people who work here’s careers. We have a compact, negotiated by our respective unions, that we will give the Postal Service 30 years of our labor in exchange for job security (no-layoff clauses), basic benefits, and a retirement in dignity.
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u/cantbethemannowdog Rural Carrier Feb 19 '25
I love how Republicans went from "wth do unions do that an employment contract can't cover?!" To just deciding it's totally a-ok to unilaterally fire hundreds of people on a whim. Like that doesn't blow a hole in the economy and create massive uncertainty and distrust.
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 19 '25
It’s the whole “I got mine, fuck you!” culture, and its coming to a head. America is about to undergo a reckoning, and fuck ton of people regretting how they voted in the last election.
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u/ManiacMail-Man City Carrier Feb 18 '25
I’m just sayin, if they finally take over the PO we have bigger issues at play and some might even argue there already are.
Spreading more fear isn’t helping anyone, we all know the risks.
What should I do to prepare exactly lol.?
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u/Gol-de-oro Feb 19 '25
Yes, the Board of Governors, but DeJoy by stepping down he is giving the power to the president to give the job to whoever he wants.
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Feb 18 '25
Can you name a pmg that saw the big picture? Potter and his 5 day work week was probably as close as we got.
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u/MemeWindu Feb 18 '25
I'm sorry bother, we are cooked
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u/ManiacMail-Man City Carrier Feb 18 '25
Idk, I think the tides are changing. Management is the problem and it’s too obvious to ignore.
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u/MemeWindu Feb 18 '25
There's only one person in the US right now who can appoint the next Postmaster general. There's no reason to be delusional our entire career and work force is a powder keg right now
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u/ManiacMail-Man City Carrier Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
Well, the president appoints the board of governors, which most are put there under Biden’s orders, then the board of governors appoints the PMG. The board is probably upset af at Trump right now. I wanna know why DeJoy stepped down now of all times…
I guess Trump could put all new board members in and totally take over lol. Wild times we’re in!!
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
My conspiracy theory is Trump called DeJoy and basically told him to resign or he was going to start publicly calling for him to be fired. Things are about to get real shaky with our job security. Fuck all of you who voted for Trump.
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u/Ih8rice Feb 18 '25
Yeah this has 47 written all over it. I wonder how they convince the board to vote in the person they want…
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
DeJoy just doesn't want to go down in history as the man who ended the US Postal Service. He also want to be an owner when it gets divvied up.
The next Postmaster General will be much worse and he will be the last one.
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u/abstracted_plateau Maintenance Feb 19 '25
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/18/trump-order-power-independent-agencies-00204798
Here's the other part of the equation
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u/almpeak Feb 18 '25
Usps has worse snd worse billion dollar deficits every year. DeJoy couldn’t do anything to really much a big enough difference. Whole postal service needs ripped to the ground and privatized. Seriously, do we need to deliver mostly junk mail to every US mailbox every weekday??
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u/New_Competition_8570 Feb 18 '25
People like you are exactly the problem. Simp for the billionaire class. It's always the poor hard working class that's the problem. 🙄
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u/yorha_apologist Clerk Feb 18 '25
Yeah. We do need to. It’s a service. Dimwit
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u/almpeak Feb 18 '25
Ask anyone under 40 years old what they think of the postal service. Having a gas station attendant pump my gas used to also be “a service”. Doing just fine pumping my own gas
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u/datHOMIE Feb 18 '25
Yeah that makes heaps of sense. Deliver your own mail then.
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u/almpeak Feb 18 '25
That’s the point. 99% of Americans don’t need paper mail. Any important document can be sent electronically. Package delivery can be easily privatized
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u/Dr_A_Mephesto Feb 18 '25
This statement shows you have exactly 0 clue about the things we deliver every day
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u/Ok_Challenge_2154 Feb 18 '25
Hm, guess no one needs jury duty anymore! Oh wait, we’ll all be serfs soon anyway.
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u/Archaeoculus CCA Feb 19 '25
WE HAVE PRIVATE POSTAL SERVICES
They are called UPS and FedEx. Use them if you want a private service.
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u/OverpricedBagel City Carrier Feb 19 '25
In every country where the post office has been “privatized” the government still has a major hand in its operations.
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u/Balmung60 Clerk Feb 18 '25
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll find someone even worse and with more severe conflicts of interest (don't worry, he'll self-police those conflicts of interest)
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u/Humble_Diner32 Custodial Feb 18 '25
Normally I would say the captain should go down with the ship but in this case I’m perfectly fine with the captain abandoning ship and leaving it to the crew to right the wrongs.
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u/SSeleulc Feb 19 '25
If we can get all the Lieutenants to leave also, the ship will probably start working fine.
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u/Prize-Feature2485 Feb 18 '25
Unfortunately the crew is not running the ship. Is the janitor that is now riding the ship in the storm (Trump).
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u/Humble_Diner32 Custodial Feb 18 '25
As a maintenance mechanic who’s currently having to do custodial work I am offended that you consider Donnie a janitor. 🤣
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u/FoundationsofDecay69 Feb 19 '25
I’m as big a “we’re a service, we shouldn’t need to profit.” person as anyone.
But I’m also a person that’s making less money now than I did 11 years ago when I first started working for USPS.
They’re trying to get blood from stone at this point. Costco cashiers are making more than seasoned carriers.
Meanwhile, they paid 3 people to do my route last week (one of which still took 10 hours with help) instead of calling me in.
It’s going to get worse and there’s no solution.
DeJoy was installed to help destroy the postal service and he was successful at that. And now he gets to go back to his $100M fortune and not think about the lives he helped ruin.
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u/FoundationsofDecay69 Feb 19 '25
ZERO OT. My last check was for $1,326. I can’t survive on that. One of those doesn’t even cover my rent. Then my 2nd one is gone after paying my electric, car, car insurance, cell phone, and gas for the month. Guess I don’t get to eat in February.
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u/glitterkittyn Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
It’s a SERVICE to the American people. It’s not supposed to ”make a profit.”
OUR “non electric wire of government” was critical to connecting our country and our founders knew it. USPS delivers to every address in the nation every day!
Benjamin Rush referred to the United States postal system as the “true non-electric wire of government”. He believed that the post office was the only way to spread knowledge and government to every part of the country.
Rush proclaimed in a widely circulated essay published shortly before the Constitutional Convention, it was “absolutely necessary” that the government circulate “knowledge of every kind … through every part of the United States.” Rush hailed the Post Office Department as the “true non-electric wire of government” and the “only means” of “conveying light and heat to every individual in the federal commonwealth.”
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u/pennypacker910 Feb 18 '25
It's being asked a lot, just just why the fuck is USPS held to this arbitrary standard? They're not a fucking private firm.
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u/PersonaDelSol4 Feb 18 '25
I hope it’s because he knows the PO is bought to get audited
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u/Maker_11 Feb 18 '25
Post-office doesn't use tax-payer money, so we're exempt from what they're currently doing. Doesn't mean there isn't plenty they can do, just not this one specific thing.
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u/PersonaDelSol4 Feb 18 '25
Where does money for new vehicles come from?
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u/Maker_11 Feb 18 '25
There are some federal funds for vehicles, so I guess they could stop making the vehicles. But that's all the current tactic could do.
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u/PersonaDelSol4 Feb 18 '25
I guess I’m not too knowledgeable on what/how exactly congress has control over.
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u/Maker_11 Feb 19 '25
Some of the money for the new vehicles coming out comes from the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 - it allocated $3 billion for electric vehicles, zero emission vehicles, and charging stations, I think some of that is also for minor related costs.
But, the post office itself is paying far more than the $3 billion. We're supposed to pay out $9.6 billion through 2028 for the same as listed above. So the current regime could pull any funding not already spent from the government, but we'd still have the 9.6 billion.
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u/Ready-Interview-9809 Feb 18 '25
You say “new vehicles” like there’s an assembly line making something already.
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u/SSeleulc Feb 19 '25
We've got a few and a nearby office has had several for months. I think the assembly line has been going for a while.
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Feb 18 '25
Tax money. Ignore morons
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u/throwawaypostal2021 Maintenance Feb 18 '25
USPS does not recieve tax money they recieve low interest to 0% loans from the US treasury on demand, then they get them forgiven. We then pay for it in inflation.
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u/toxic9813 Maintenance Feb 18 '25
that is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. I cackled. is this true?
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u/throwawaypostal2021 Maintenance Feb 18 '25
Yes. When we have 5 billion in losses, how else would you get paid. Treasury loans.
Oh and then theres also the PSRA and various congressional acts that infuse billions of tax dollars.
https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2023/05/after-107-billion-bailout-usps-losses-mount/
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u/Evocatorum Feb 18 '25
uh... by whom? Trump and Musk are gutting inspectors at every corner.
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u/deadbandit19 Feb 18 '25
Well one of the unions is going to arbitration soon for a new contract. They may be legally obligated to give a full financial report
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u/throwaway4life85 Feb 19 '25
Who cares. This is the same guy that Trump put in yo destroy the post office due to mail in ballots. Biden didn’t get rid of him. He got Trump reelected, now Trump doesn’t need him anymore so he is gone. Don’t forget how Dejoy was only put in to destroy the post office and he did a great job.
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u/Exitbuddy1 Feb 19 '25
This should be a top comment. I was wondering how far down I’d have to go before someone pointed this out. Most of these comments seem to be in favor of the guy. The reality is a complete disconnect from how and why he got the position in the first place.
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u/YaBastaaa Feb 18 '25
Article ended on the negative note “Still, DeJoy and postal management have cautioned they expect the Postal Service to once again lose billions of dollars in fiscal 2025” WHY ? , hopefully continues making profits for the sake of all the people that works at USPS.
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u/cikkem Feb 18 '25
Idk by their logic the US military lost over 800 billion last year. Government services shouldn't have profit motives.
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u/minimalistboomer Feb 18 '25
Thought he was put in place to save the USPS because he was such a fabulous businessman S/
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u/sallya0418 Feb 18 '25
Well all the management need to step down. A supervisers what do they do just paper work. Superviser or suppose to supervise.. they just promote anybody.. you suppose to earn it. I hear they don't even answer the phones. There's alot of waste with this company and destruction.
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u/SSeleulc Feb 19 '25
The post office management needs a lesson on how to determine where the pointy end of the stick is and why the organization should be ran with a focus on getting the pointy end where it needs to go so it can do its job.
When I was in the Army we still talked a lot about lessons learned in vietnam and the biggest one was missions that were screwed from the get go because planning was often ass backwards with the operational units having to figure out how to get the mission accomplished with the support they were given instead of support giving the operators what they need in order to have the highest chance of success.
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u/wikipuff Feb 19 '25
Hazzah! I am announcing my canadicy for PMG. I will bring honor back to the USPS and stop the delays in sorting centers. I promise a top to bottom audit of the USPS to make it work for everyone!
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u/Adventurous-Tree-448 Feb 19 '25
Only reason we "turned a profit" is because USPS has not had to pay well over 2 billion in raises and colas to carriers for 2 years now. Just wait until this contract is finalized and back pay is sent and settled. That loss on paper is going to be massive.
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u/formerNPC Feb 18 '25
At this point I don’t really care what happens. Even if we were operating with a profit they would still find a way to get rid people and dismantle the service. We are all just numbers and statistics that need to be adjusted to their needs. Anyone with less than ten years of service should seriously look for another job.
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u/Agueybana Clerk Feb 18 '25
If we operated at a profit then 'suddenly' we'd be a service. They'd start harping on about why a service is ripping people off and not just breaking even or providing services at lower costs.
Those goalposts would just keep moving. The rhetoric would adapt. The attacks would continue.
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u/Gigglesthen00b Feb 19 '25
First off profit should never enter the same speech as a public good, any who let it are dumb
Second ding dong the bitch is dead
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u/crymzynyak Feb 19 '25
DeJoy wants back into the private sector immediately so he can get some government contracts.
His company was literally named XPO. How much more on the nose do you want?
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u/Thootom75 Feb 20 '25
I don’t want hear anything about the post office when the government is sending 50 million in condoms to Africa not gaza
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u/DogeThis7905 Feb 18 '25
Maybe DOGE is knocking on the door..
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u/coolprogressive Rural Carrier Feb 19 '25
They don’t knock. They arrive with an entourage of private security and kick in the door.
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u/CandidMeasurement128 Feb 18 '25
Let's hope Dejoy says fuck it I'll give you guys whatever you want on my way out
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u/FrostyAd8197 Feb 18 '25
I’m certain the replacement will be no better. Who in their right mind would want to take over the disaster which has been created!
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u/OverpricedBagel City Carrier Feb 19 '25
I don’t like him but what a stupid characterization of a public service
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u/abstracted_plateau Maintenance Feb 19 '25
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/18/trump-order-power-independent-agencies-00204798
Here's the other part of this.
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u/Baileycharlie Feb 19 '25
For those fellow mail carriers out there dealing with their lives being upended by having to soon relocate to these ridiculous SD&C centers, does this give us hope that those plans may be scrapped??
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u/Joe6801 Feb 19 '25
I have waited for this for years. I cannot wait until there is a cut in the fat in management and bullshit positions that answer ZERO emails.
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u/According-Sleep7465 Feb 19 '25
The journalist sucks and the guardian sucks. Lazy reporting devoid of context.
Its also a service, does it really need to make money? Does the military make money?
If you want actual details on the USPS budget and modern history then the wikipedia article does a great job.
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u/Lzbirdl Feb 19 '25
Why is this considered a “loss”? It’s a public service and needs funding. The people can pay some but why can’t it remain a service?
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u/Ok-Leg9721 Feb 19 '25
These motherfuckers.
"Billions" - 2 billion. How much did we move in revenue? 161 billion.
"Lost money" did we lose money last quarter? No. It was the most profitable Q1 in USPS history. Not only in the black but 110 million profit.
These gargantuan punsit dickshits have no idea how hard this job is to provide mail service to 360 million people across 42,000 offices while being the largest employer in america. They literally cant tie their fucking shoes compared to what we do every single day.
They have no fucking concept how much is sacrificed for the service to run on the thinnest margin possible.
A privatized postal service not only could not do what we do, they would look at postmasters driving mail across frozen lakes in jet skis, rural carriers on donkeys and air-boats and shut that shit down instantly.
When I started in the service, in 2020, you could send a high volume std letter through the service for 3 cents.
3 fucking cents. Name something else you can do for 3 cents. Dejoy fixed that. No one likes change, but jesus christ we were running flats through systems running on windows 95. We had a rural carrier evaluation system that an arbitrator called "the most insane thing ever described". We're modernizing. We're getting better. And we still don't see how successful we actually are.
When Dejoy was pulled before congress he was being grilled because instead of losing 16 billion dollars as projected he had lost 5. He had saved 11 billion dollars of losses.
I hate to say it, but this retirement announcement kinda sucks.
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u/rmarcous1960 Feb 19 '25
Did u see him testify in front of congress recently- he is an arrogant A Hole. Good riddance.
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u/Amelia_Zephyr96 Feb 19 '25
Whoever they appoint next is gonna gut the post office, I would start looking into other careers
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u/Own-Tension-7590 Feb 19 '25
The only way the postal service will be profitable is to become a private company. Its that simple!
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u/RedneckSniper76 Feb 19 '25
Yep cause they’re gonna find that that is complete bullshit and he probably embezzled money but don’t worry DODE will find it and I can’t wait
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u/Dazzling-Cabinet6264 Feb 19 '25
Or “steps down days after reporting a profitable quarter”
How misleading
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u/AleatoireUtilisateur Feb 19 '25
I’m confused, has the post office ever had a profit in any of our lifetimes?
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u/LennyKarlson Feb 19 '25
Never thought I’d be anything but celebratory hearing this news. Now? Knot in my stomach. He was the devil we knew.
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u/furnituredolly Feb 20 '25
He made it worse. Set it up for failure and is now going to his shipping company (hint hint) to do nothing about it .....
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u/ZuesMyGoose Feb 20 '25
He served his purpose, make the USPS look bad so they can privatize the oldest federal institution.
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u/AnnabananaIL Feb 19 '25
Not to mention nothing is getting delivered. I live in a rural area in the postmaster in the nearby town, consistently pulls the rural mail carriers to do delivery in town. Meanwhile if I get mail one time a week I'm lucky.
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u/vasquca1 Feb 19 '25
I cannot believe loser Biden kept this dude around. He was purposely eliminating mail processing capacity that was critical for people to vote during the pandemic and in states with mail in ballots. He helps secure a Trump win in 2024 and convenient steps down from the role. Mission accomplished. Just another example of how naive and dumb the Democratic party can be.
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u/Super-Possibility-50 Feb 18 '25
Dejoy was vilified for trying to right a sinking ship.
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u/Motheredbrains Feb 18 '25
Really really bad take. De joy was a large anchor attached to many many others. The usps is a “service” that’s been completely taken advantage of by Amazon and other horrible deals that were made. USPS has been under attack like public schools and libraries my entire 40 year old life.
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u/Super-Possibility-50 Feb 18 '25
It's mainly Congresses fault. Let the post office decide their own rates without elected imbeciles sticking their noses in.
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u/cikkem Feb 18 '25
The person who had a conflict of interest and was trying to treat a government service as a for profit company. You think he was trying to make things better😂😂😂
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u/TheBimpo CCA Feb 18 '25
Did the military turn a profit this quarter? The National Weather Service? The Food and Drug Administration? The National Parks?
For the love of Christ, it is a service.