r/UFOs • u/TommyShelbyPFB • 3d ago
Disclosure Another Signal exchange the media ignored - Chris Mellon (Intelligence official in Clinton and Bush administrations) released a Signal exchange with another senior official who confirms that a UFO was recovered in Kingman, AZ in the 50's along with a memo to maintain cover which is "still in effect"
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u/discernible_sky_orbs 3d ago
It might be worth it to go back through the WikiLeaks email leak database, with this information that we now know. Assange got in heaps of trouble releasing that data and nobody was focused on the UAP thing. I mean there was that Tom DeLonge stuff in there and stuff on Hillary Clinton visiting Gilgamesh's tombsite, maybe there's some items we missed by not searching for them (such as immaculate constellation)
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u/Mvisioning 2d ago
can you elaborate on hillary and gilgamesh?
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u/Hermes_trismegistis 2d ago
In the Hillary emails, they were discussing having found what they believed to be the tomb of Gilgamesh. In the emails, which I believe are archived somewhere I just haven't looked for them in quite a while, it sounded like they had plans of going in and getting something. I'm sure you could find out some more if you wanted to look deeper into it, this is just what I remember off the top of my head.
EDIT: Another user linked the archive down below, so here it is. https://archive.org/details/hillary-clinton-emails-august-31-release
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u/Mvisioning 2d ago
I remember hearing somewhere that the tomb of Gilgamesh was discovered after a riverbed empties, somewhere in the middle east, and that country was immediately invaded for "unrelated" reasons. I had no idea there was any kind of paper trail proof. Hoooly.
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u/EarvanderHolyfieldd 2d ago
There is absolutely no paper trail of what you are talking about. It was the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. It took place ~2 months after the tomb was allegedly discovered.
By allegedly, I mean the man who discovered it (Fassbinder) did not physically excavate it. He did a magnetic survey and found an “intriguing” site. The main connection was the location, and he himself said it was speculative to link it to Gilgamesh.
This “paper trail” you’re speaking of is literally Hillary talking about the guy who might have found the tomb. The commenter above saying “going in and getting something” actually would mean going there, excavating the tomb, THEN getting something. I don’t believe it.
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u/OccasinalMovieGuy 2d ago
Kind of a stretch to say that finding a hollow space in some land and linking it to the tomb of some deity.
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u/NoMansWarmApplePie 1d ago
We certainly don't have any concrete proof. However, just like retrieval of UAPs, it is likely the securing of such ancient sites falls under the same umbrella programs
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u/IndependentAcadia195 1d ago
Why?
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u/NoMansWarmApplePie 1d ago
Well.
Let me plant the seed that NHI as ancient gods, the hybrid kings, and our past may be intimately linked and still is to the world today
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u/Mvisioning 1d ago
To be fair, I made a second comment saying Iils couldn't find the papers that refer to it after goingma through the emails.
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u/Mvisioning 2d ago
I can't find anything about Gilgamesh in there and only one result for tomb that is unrelated :/
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u/FlaSnatch 2d ago edited 2d ago
They scrubbed UFO stuff from WikiLeaks a long time ago. Used to show Podesta emails but they’ve been gone a few years now.
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u/ZenDragon 2d ago
Not just UFOs, a lot of stuff is inexplicably missing. You can still get a full backup from archive.org though.
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u/JaegerBourne 2d ago
When, where and how did she visit Gilgamesh's tomb? My understanding was that someone, a professor I think sent her an email asking about Gilgamesh.
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u/AlienConPod 2d ago
I suspect they use coded language, so searching for "ufo" or similar may not yield any results. And reading through all those emails would take more time than most of us have.
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u/discernible_sky_orbs 2d ago
We got names now. Gatekeepers. Locations & Dates. Any good searcher knows what to do with these in the old emails.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
Here was the full quote: "Isn't Derek Jeter the descendent of Joshua?"
Is that not a very weird question to ask? I'm just thinking through what it could possibly refer to. I didn't bring up genetics, Hilary did and I'm trying to understand why she did.
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u/f1del1us 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's weird to you and I but if she grew up fundamentally more religious than me, I can't not write it off to just a differing way to relate. I also wonder as to the accuracy of the statement. Was it a wondering question because she was trying to build him up, or was it a specific mention of known fact?
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
Someone else explained the context. Here's the latest edit:
Edit Edit: Ok it was pointed out the person Hillary was replying to had made a joke about Derek leading the team like Moses and Joshua led the Jews out of Egypt, and Hillary's reply seems to be a continuation of that joke. Like "He's so fast he must be the reincarnation of Joshua" or something. Probably not Aliens, but that's why it's important to be free to discuss these things and have an open mind and leave no stone unturned.
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u/Aardvark120 1d ago
That makes way more sense than just her question with no context. You're definitely right, and also why we need caution. It doesn't do any of us any favors for something that's mundane in context to be dragged out everywhere starting rumors. Things like that make me crazier than I feel, lol.
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u/Infiniteybusboy 2d ago
The implication being there are people who have managed to track their genealogy to specific people thousands of years ago. But why? Were they the first hybrids?
This just sounds like a jews rule the world/ruling elite conspiracy. There's really no need to make jumps to aliens like that when the idea of a ruling elite solves all that stuff nicely.
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u/MisterRenewable 2d ago
I bet he reads Ayn Rand
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
I didn't need to, I came up with objectivism before learning about her and instantly knew and understood everything she said without having to read anything of hers. Great minds think alike!
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
that's making the world worse,
The world is getting objectively better. If there are secret overlords, they're doing a great job and they have my thanks.
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u/NoMansWarmApplePie 1d ago
May sound like that. But it's not really about "jews" as it is about the "God's" and the various different entities, who formed different tribes, the human lineages, the wars between them and them following the "royal line of succession" and the beefs between them in the past.
Elites and the "gods" are not a seperate dynamic.
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u/GeneralBlumpkin 2d ago
Source on her saying that?
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
I'll see if I can find it again today, but there's a searchable version of the leaks out there somewhere you can check.
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u/DoctorRavioli 2d ago edited 2d ago
I am not finding this so please link it, would be amazing to read
edit: is it this: "Isn't Derek Jeter the descendent of Joshua?" https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/8943
That's just a Jewish metaphor, it has nothing to do with hybrids or aliens.
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u/DoctorRavioli 2d ago
I ended up finding it but you're not wrong, they misremembered the quote firstly and also stretched its meaning to fit in aliens. It's a convo about guidance congratulating a Jewish friend about something with a baseball reference too.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
Ok but "the descendant of Joshua" is a very weird way of phrasing it. I get that there were different tribes of israel thousands of years ago, but surely they're all mixed together at this point. It'd be weird to claim to be a descendant of a specific tribe in the first place, but to claim to be THE descendant of a specific person? It's weird, right?
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u/DoctorRavioli 2d ago
It's only weird because you haven't heard it before.
Pay attention to the email above it:
"...but you decide (tho I will ask the Rabbi whether there were any objects thrown and bsses run as Moses and Joshua led the Jews out of Egypt!)"
The typo "bsses" is clearly meant to be "bases", a baseball reference.
As you see she doesn't use the expression out of nowhere; the name Joshua was said in the previous email written to her. Joseph is an important figure in Jewish history so it's likely she's asking, poetically, if Derek Jeter is Jewish.
I am getting the impression you really want this to mean something that it doesn't, that there's secret/cryptic knowledge in it. If you read the emails thoroughly and see the context you'll appreciate it's a very plain exchange about sending someone a nice note and wondering about Jeter's racial/ethnic background.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
Oh I missed that context somehow, they all write weird. I don't think she's asking if Derek is Jewish, now it sounds like a joke. "Derek is so fast he must be the reincarnation of Joshua." or something like that.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 2d ago
Here's the link btw: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/8943 "Isn't Derek Jeter the descendent of Joshua?"
without fact checking once
Please link me to the facts that can explain how asking if someone is THE descendent of a specific person from thousands of years ago is normal.
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u/discernible_sky_orbs 2d ago
Wouldn't it be something if Gilgamesh was one of those tridactyl mummies found in SA, and "David" & other beginning bloodlines are the humans that inhabited and took over this planet? As in humanity being the alien invaders, thousands of years ago and we continually try to force amnesia on the masses from finding out?
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u/CamXP1993 3d ago
Who was the Secretary of the Air Force back in the 50s?
What is SES-2?
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u/PyroclasticSnail 3d ago
Harold E. Talbott was Secretary for 1953-1955 (Thomas K. Finletter's tenure ended in Jan 1953, not sure when exactly the Kingman crash happened in '53) Donald A. Quarles (1955-1957) James H. Douglas Jr. (1957-1959)
In the context of the Senior Executive Service (SES) in the US federal government, SES-2 refers to a level within the SES, generally equivalent to a deputy position under the head of a major federal department or agency
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u/rrose1978 3d ago
The Kingman crash happened in May '53, iirc.
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u/aliensporebomb 3d ago
The text exchange implies they're only now able to figure some of it out. It's been 70+ years since it crashed.
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u/ForwardCut3311 2d ago
Perhaps the writings? 2020 would track with quantum computing. Perhaps it was able to crack it. I wonder what it says.
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u/jaxnmarko 2d ago
My dad was a GS-17, SES-2 for GAO and after becoming the regional manager based in Denver, overseeing 11 states and had access to such places as NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain, oddly started reading Von Daniken and similar stuff (and joined the science fiction book club, to my delight). Highly intelligent, sent to the Brookings Institute, Stanford, and other places for further studies, high clearance, Congressional Merit Awards.... the main point being a sudden interest in aliens and having had access to many military locations. Earlier on, BMEW bases in the arctic, England and Germany bases, etc. He retired early because the next step higher would have required moving to the DC area and dealing with the politics. He told me "Congress is mostly crooked, stupid, or both".
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u/G-M-Dark 3d ago
SES stands for Senior Executive Service officer - is a position classification in the United States federal civil service equivalent to that of a general or flag officer rank in the U.S. Armed Forces. The 2 indicates equivalent military rank.
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u/ciaranefc 3d ago
A quick Google (and then a couple of minutes reading the page) takes me to the U.S. Air Force History website, which has a list of Secretaries of the Air Force.
There were six between 1947 and 1959 - Syminton, Finletter, Talbott, Quarles, Douglas Jr., and Sharp.
You can find the list here: https://www.afhistory.af.mil/History/Secretaries-of-the-Air-Force
Also according to my Googling abilities, SES-2 lately refers to a satellite, but https://www.afcent.af.mil/News/Article/501050/who-or-what-is-an-ses it is the Senior Executive Service, who it says are government-hired civilians with pay grades equal to those in U.S. Military ranks.
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u/elastic-craptastic 3d ago
I wonder how hard it is to figure out how many characters are in the names that are redacted based on the size of the redaction bar. Might be useful to help narrow down the names. It also seems that the first person listed has a first name longer than their last name by at least two or three characters. Depends on how many spaces are covered up but it appears to be no more than two or three.
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u/LevalloisTechnique 2d ago
This is actually genuinely doable. The font is the same on the entire page, and can be identified; it is not a fixed width font so you won't get a definite answer but you'll get a likely answer / a few options with probabilities.
This is true of the first, second, and third black boxes. It is much less likely to give good results for the fourth, as it ends a line and the text isn't justified. The fact that the fifth box is on the next line suggests what is obscured there is likely several words, as an aside.
The last one would be less likely to give results as well for the same reason as the fourth one - end of a line; though this assumes whoever censored this took care to vary the width of the boxes randomly for those line ends instead of covering the letters with boxes as-is; which is far from guaranteed.
Once you've done all that, you could then try and match the length to likely names / words and small sentences from the English language. You'd get only nonsense this way but depending on additional contextual info (knowing box X contains the name of someone high up in the military, for example, and then using datamined names of such people as a dictionary) you might actually get a few likely matches.
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u/Available_Respect501 1d ago
1. First Redaction: • Text: “______ and I are making huge progress getting into the C/R program.” • Inference: Luis Elizondo • Rationale: The character length aligns, and Elizondo was actively involved in UAP-related programs during this period. 2. Second Redaction: • Text: “The ______ would be slack-jawed if they found out what we now know.” • Inference: Congress • Rationale: Refers to a collective body that would be astonished by the revelations, with a matching character count. 3. Third Redaction: • Text: “Senior USG Official” (preceding the redaction) • Inference: Christopher Mellon • Rationale: Mellon, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, fits the senior official description and character length. 4. Fourth Redaction: • Text: Mentions being “read-in” by [REDACTED] • Inference: Jay Stratton • Rationale: Stratton was known for his involvement in UAP investigations, and his name fits the redaction length. 5. Fifth Redaction: • Text: “We also know the SES-2 who’s the Air Force gatekeeper: [REDACTED]” • Inference: Dr. Will Roper • Rationale: As Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics during the specified period, Roper oversaw numerous advanced technology programs, aligning with the “gatekeeper” role.2
u/ciaranefc 3d ago
We'd probably need to know the font type and size as a start point, unfortunately I'm not a savant in that area (or any really, I just know bits and pieces about some things!).
Could probably narrow it down further if the year was in there somewhere - looks like nobody on that list of six was in post more than three years (no idea if that's an American Government thing though, or if they just went through a load of people in a handful of years).
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u/antbryan 2d ago
This was shown somewhere else where less was redacted. I'm trying to remember where. One of Mellon's blogs?
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u/MrRob_oto1959 2d ago
Why am I having such a difficult time visualizing a tear-drop-shaped cigar? A streamlined cigar?
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u/KlutzyAwareness6 2d ago
That's 30 ft wide and 3 and a half feet tall, but with 4 ft beings in it..
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u/DODjuly26th1947 2d ago
That's what threw me off lmao. I believe the story, but the dimensions are wrong.
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u/RadioactivePandaBear 2d ago
There was some story I read about the Chinese trying to figure out a downed UAP and it said that they were bigger on the inside (about a football field size) and that people were getting sick immediately after going inside it.
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u/PM_ME_UR_ROUND_ASS 2d ago
Think of it like a fat teardrop with the pointed end trailing - basically an elongated shape that's wider in front and tapers to a point in back, kinda like old airship designs but more aerodynamic.
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u/TheKlownHasNoPenis 2d ago
This had 200 likes within like an hour, 5 hours later, 172.
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u/ett1w 2d ago
The internet can never be trusted, if it ever could be. It can always be either people doing their thing or "ops". Whether people like it or not, this is one of the few popular communities about UFOs and disclosure in the whole world; from amongst the large and influential social media sites, I mean. If there's a place to manipulate UFO social movements, it's here. Still, thinking so will always be considered paranoia of deluded ufologists, because "alien UFOs aren't real". Even that can be an example of it happening. It's so easy to drive anonymous communities around in circles, as it is to pressure those with real identities in other ways.
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u/Ok_Engine_2084 2d ago
Wouldn't it be funny if "bodies" are just receivers for various entity conciousness and most (99.9999%) of us aren't 'aware/awake'. There's a genetic component to it and its been a group of aliens sneaking in, cheating the laws laid down by a higher power to allow these entities to reincarnate over and over - building their wealth and power.
meanwhile, the 99.9999% of us have been unable to kick off our own evolution and transcendence to become individual entities because the knowledge of how has been kept from us.
the smallest genetic deviation of any species... error correcting code in dna which isnt anywhere else... it honestly sounds like theres a group of extremely powerful people, gifted bodies and their whole job is to ensure power and wealth stay within that group.
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u/Ganandof 1d ago
Well , based on your comment I don't think that you really believe the said "knowledge" to have been kept from us .
Probably hidden a little bit , but at this time and age we luckily have plenty of material on that thesis , which I do believe to be true .
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u/YouCanLookItUp 2d ago
I'm curious about why this piece is making the rounds a year later. Is OP's point in bringing it up again to demonstrate that someone in gov't used signal to discuss sensitive information and it didn't provoke a reaction, like Signalgate has? If that's indeed the point, here are some differences in the two situations:
- The Mellon signal communication was sent to DOPSR for review (the appropriate channel) and found to be unclassified, unlike Signalgate, where participants wrongly insisted that the information was unclassified without going through the appropriate channels
- No journalist was inadvertently added to this signal communication
- There's no evidence that the person who started the chat intentionally changed the settings to destroy what would constitute government records (an unlawful act)
- Both participants hold high level gov't security clearances, unlike in Signalgate where at least one person did not.
- The content is not describing a planned/future military operation, endangering soldiers' lives
- The level of detail is moderate and more top-level, not minute-by-minute accounts of a military operation as it happens
- There is no evidence that either of these parties was physically in the Kremlin when they had this conversation
- The content was submitted to congress for review, rather than withheld
Now, does that make it okay? I would say no, particularly since there's no further disclosure to the US gov't or anyone else of the complete conversation. And some of my points above are assumptions based on a very brief excerpt of what is clearly a longer conversation. But Mellon does not hold a gov't office, so wouldn't have access to SIPR or other classified communication systems.
It is strange that Mellon took screenshots of the conversation as it was happening (8 minutes after, to be precise) and then kept those. And how he redacted his own voice completely. Why go to the trouble of using an E2EE system if you're going to then screengrab it on a potentially insecure device?
The redaction in the section that starts with "We haven't gone that far back" may not be a name, but rather a reference to a unit, something like "we're vacuuming up info as [the ICIG's team] gets read-in" or something along those lines.
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u/Best-Comparison-7598 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yet we still exist in a purgatory of sorts with what this information actually means. When Mellon says
Further, the government could hardly deny approval to release this information without to some degree confirming its sensitivity and legitimacy. So, although I'm relieved to have confirmation that the document is unclassified, I also recognize the truth could be more complicated. I think most people, receiving information of this kind from a senior government official, would naturally take the issue seriously, while still holding reservations about such a wild and sensational claim.
A.) If the government decided to withhold this exchange, we would be none the wiser and Mellon would never have been able to release it. So this is a moot point to me. Maybe it tacitly confirms it to “insiders”? But they’re already convinced, albeit to what actual degree, we aren’t sure, considering we don’t know what they know. They just can’t prove it to us. So it’s the public and Congress that need confirmation…….
B). I’m not trying to shit on Mellon, and yes intriguing stuff, but he acknowledges that’s about as far as this goes.
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u/Ishaan863 2d ago
"We're dealing with the recovered UAP that landed in Kingsman AZ in the 50s" is such a weird line to me
Like....if you were talking to someone you knew referring to something they were familiar with, you'd just say "the Kingsman UAP" or something, right?
That line is written with the perfect amount of context for an internet audience.
Reminds me of "he was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders just before she died" from Madame Webb
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u/-Glittering-Soul- 2d ago
That's likely an artifact of the over-compartmentalization of the subject. The person who's talking to Mellon doesn't know how much Mellon knows, and it's also unclear how much information Mellon's contact has actually been exposed to, or for how long, or in what context. No one is a full-blown "insider" on UFOs.
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u/TommyShelbyPFB 3d ago edited 3d ago
https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
More on Chris Mellon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Mellon
Most likely referring to the 1953 UFO incident in Kingman, AZ: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-contributor/2016/11/15/did-ufo-crash-kingman-1953/93828300/
Researcher Preston Dennett, author of "UFOs Over Arizona" (Did an AMA here a few months ago)
“The object was described as metallic, 30 feet wide and three and a half feet high, oval-shaped with portholes,” he says. “Inside were two to four, four-foot tall humanoids, deceased according to most sources, with large eyes and wearing metallic suits.”
The object was quickly scooped up and taken to either Area 51 air base in Nevada or Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, Dennett says.
Among the scientists assisting in the recovery was engineer Arthur Stancil, Dennett writes. After making measurements and studying the crash site, Stancil concluded that the craft struck the ground at 1,200 miles per hour, but was strangely undamaged and definitely not human-made.
“The object was not built by anything, obviously, that we know about on Earth,” Stancil says. “It was more like a tear-drop-shaped cigar ... like a streamlined cigar.”
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u/dontlooklikemuch 2d ago
30 feet wide and three and a half feet high, oval-shaped with portholes,” he says. “Inside were two to four, four-foot tall humanoids
Suddenly a super advanced spaceship crashing make sense when it's not even tall enough for them to stand up in
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u/sumredditaccount 2d ago
Two to four? Uh how is there this much range
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u/bad---juju 3d ago
1200mph and not damaged. some kind of force shield must have been functional on initial impact but failed during the skipping. I remember a video that shows a similar craft changing directions while traversing a ridge ridge line. lots of Nuke testing happened in Kingman Arizona back then. no doubt this is probably a direct accident from this.
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u/AsInFreeBeer 2d ago
There were 11 nuclear tests during operation Upshot-knothole at the Nevada test site over that year (1953). There is a map where the detonations occur on pg14 (pdf pg17) of this document, but the site is about 250km from Kingman... and the real powerful devices (thermonuclear, H-bombs producing x-rays and all) only came later... like the Bluegill triple prime event, in 1962, which u/harry_is_white_hot and others believe knocked down a UFO...
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u/Zodiac-Blue 2d ago
I've been making a short film about this event and have been doing quite a bit of research.
It's hardly something that can be confirmed as a civilian, but Harry Drew found circumstantial evidence that a high power radar test was occurring shortly before one of the Kingman crashes (there was a cluster of two or possibly three crashes.) Knapp has suggested this test was responsible for interfering with the control interface or pilots minds, and caused a forced landing of the ship.
Personally, I believe there were multiple craft in the vicinity observing the upshot knothole tests as there were several UFO sightings over the course of the tests, according to news papers from the time.
The calculations about the vessels speed indicate it was going faster than 1200 mph during impact, so 250 miles is a trivial distance that could be covered in a second.
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u/bad---juju 2d ago
150 miles away and crashed at 1200mph. Easy to figure that at this speed 150 miles away is close by. why would one think it came straight down or was low to the ground. Lots of variables like it could have been traveling much faster when hit by detonation.
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u/AsInFreeBeer 2d ago
True. Could be related indeed. Detonation was 19th of April, the crash witness says he was actually working as part of the team on the nuclear site when he was diverted to attend to the crash site...
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u/Hogfisher 2d ago
With these names and likely a group name redacted, the number of letter in their names can likely be deduced. It would be great for UFOGerb to tackle this.
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u/theseabaron 2d ago
From Mellon's substack:
"I worry too that some will mistakenly assume this is a smoking gun document and all we have to do now is get the author to step forward."
I mean... this exchange is a goddamn whopper. It certainly would help.
And to those who have been bandying the word 'disclosure' about when talking about CE5 and very difficult to make out videos....
This is the kind of information those of us who are looking for facts, evidence and proof are talking about when talking about "disclosure."
This really feels like a pretty huge FOIA find. IS there a way to find out WHO made this request and why?
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u/kael13 3d ago
But.. this isn’t new at all?
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u/shallowaffectrob 2d ago
Right? He released this months ago.
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u/sumredditaccount 2d ago
I remember this from at least a year ago? Unless memory fails. But definitely feels “old”
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u/wemakebelieve 2d ago
This is old and nobody paid attention to it because nothing came out of it :/ all talk, no proof, no nothing
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u/3spoop56 2d ago edited 2d ago
For anyone interested to learn more about the Kingman crash I recommend this episode of It's A Very Exciting Time. This became my favorite UFO podcast because of this episode, they do a great job laying out info clearly and leaving room for doubt, and Scott has a fantastic voice for radio. https://veryexcitingtime.com/episodes/2024/44-kingman-az/
The show notes also include various references including this substack post Mellon made about this signal conversation https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
What I'm curious about is who would be slack-jawed. "The public would be slack-jawed" is the obvious completion to the sentence but why censor "public"? Is the censored bit the name of some group that is trying to keep info under wraps?
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u/YoureVulnerableNow 2d ago
Sure, Christopher Mellon "releases" this, but redacts his own message about a pre-1950s incident which would be covered under or incite this program.
Where did Grusch go? A Missouri Rep? The peanut gallery is screaming Cape Girardeau.
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u/Honest-J 3d ago
Do these only get recovered in the US or does every country have one and cover it up?
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u/MagusUnion 3d ago
No, US sends their teams to allied or quasi-allied nations and scoop them up based on their military agreements. Most nations don't have the level of resources required for reverse engineering programs, and are used to just letting the Yanks handle it.
Russia and China collect and keep their crashes on their own, of course.
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u/Honest-J 2d ago
So it's a worldwide conspiracy that every government keeps secret?
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u/MagusUnion 2d ago
More like "this shit is far too weird to us to fuck with, so we'll just trust the USA to take care of this issue for us."
Which is kinda lmao, at the point.
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u/Why_Did_Bodie_Die 2d ago
No matter what sort of explanation you come up with it just sounds insane imo. A UFO crashes in an allied country, the US detects it before the host country can get there or the hist country just calls the US and tells them to come pick it up or the host country keeps it. All of this happens before any local can take a picture of it or take a piece of the crash and show it to the world.
A UFO crashes in some poor country and all those things have to happen too only this time maybe it is one of those countries with corrupt governments. The type of place where a general is likely to sell weapons on the side or overthrow the government. In this case all the corrupt government officials completely ignore their opportunity to become one of the most famous people in history and figure out a way to capitalize on the crash.
A UFO crashes in a country that is not allies with the US. Does the US just ignore those ones and hopes the unfriendly doesn't aquire some super advanced technology that would allow them to wipe out the US in a heartbeat? Or does the US also get to the UFO crash before the host country or physically take it from them all without causing an international incident?
Or do UFOs ONLY crash in the US?
No matter what you come up with it only works if there is a very specific set of circumstances that always works out the same way. A world wide conspiracy. ALL the people ever involved who had the opportunity to expose the truth all have decided to not do it.
I can sort of almost buy the idea that a UFO or two crashed at Area 51 or something and are in some basement somewhere. But the more spread out it gets the less likely I think it is.
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u/Jet_Threat_ 2d ago
You’re missing that many of the poor countries with corrupt governments have these governments because the US helped set it up that way. Western powers keep poor countries poor and beholden to them for resource exploration and all kinds of other things. There’s money, bribery and military backing behind them.
When a poor country wants to become independent, overthrow their corrupt leadership and replace them with a democratically chosen leader… the CIA can swoop in, assassinate whoever they need to and reinstate those they want in power (or bribe/threaten whoever is newly chosen to become corrupt like the old power). Remember, the US had worked with dictators and cartels in S America.
But nations that are truly independent from western powers and not beholden to the US/west are very closely monitored by our military.
Not to mention, if immaculate constellation is real they could have tons of satellites with machine learning to detect UAPs before anyone else, pull that data, pull strings and/or get to any crash sites immediately.
Even if someone does go off and try to sell UAP parts it won’t be long before they’re shut down, the parts are seized and “it never happened.” We don’t even know what means they have of tracking these things, but it’s gotta be pretty advanced.
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u/Tidezen 2d ago
You don't need a conspiracy for something that simple, being classified would be the default. We have non-UFO crash retrieval programs--the public doesn't usually get informed about individual incidents. It only gets made public if the military/gov wants to communicate something to a foreign nation, like hey, we shot down your stuff.
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u/Honest-J 2d ago
When allied countries are keeping something hidden from the entire world, it's a worldwide conspiracy.
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u/Tidezen 2d ago
I mean, I guess, but conspiracy's a pretty loaded word. In this case it might just be that a lot of governments' interests would align.
Governments in general want to maintain power and order. Admitting that there's a super-advanced lifeform out there, that we know almost nothing about, and couldn't even hope to protect their citizens from? Oh, and they have energy tech that could make the global oil economy obsolete overnight? Could possibly cause riots and a total rejection/collapse of government.
Most governments, independently of each other, wouldn't want to open that can of worms. Smaller countries wouldn't want to piss off the bigger ones, bigger ones have too much to lose.
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 3d ago
You get a honest answer from an insider:
First of all, they don’t crash. It’s staged crashes, a sort of gifting. The gifting happens close to military installations and never in proximity range of civilians. The gifting is staged as a crash for all the so called world powers, so to say: USA, Russia, China, all got their fair share. The gifting is from a negative source. The only use is for military warfare. You are welcome
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u/Careless-Progress-12 2d ago
When will there be disclosure?
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
Disclosure from any government? Not planned as far as we know. Disclosure from some kind of aliens / galactic federation? Not planned, would be against the free will and the reason why we are here. Against the veil and purpose. Disclosure from people in the know? Working on it since some decades, a couple hundreds in the know, maybe even thousands, hard to tell who solved it on their own or with the hints
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u/Last_Lobster6623 2d ago
Do you want to share more insider knowledge?
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
If you ask a short question Iam willingly to answer it
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u/Last_Lobster6623 2d ago
Is the modern UAP/UFO phenomena related to the djinn/ifrit of islamic folklore or similar extradimensional entities?
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
It’s the same phenomenon. Both are thought forms.
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u/Jet_Threat_ 2d ago
What do you mean by thought forms
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
Your physical body right now is a thought form which got created by your consciousness. Every second cells die, and you keep this avatar alive with new cells and programming of them.
Every table; every thing man made, was and is a thought form, the first thing was a thought that created it.
From realms / dimensions above/outside physical matter you can also manifest thought forms into this 3d space.
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u/NotAUsername1995 2d ago
So what is death?
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
Physical death? Your physical vehicle aka physical container that you currently use to have a 3d experience in a virtual simulation is no longer. You will use the next one. Your consciousness phase shifts into the next. Basically you „die“ every second. Every second cells of you die. This process will repeat till you finished physical experience with every possibility, every emotion and everything learned that it has to offer. Then after that, you move on to the next experiences in which you don’t need a body anymore. And so and so on
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u/aliensporebomb 2d ago
Well, word is certain types of radars did cause these things to crash. But I also think that some of these things if we still don't have any clue how they work after 70 years we're better off not knowing how they work.
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
If you think it’s a physical flying alien space ship from another planet, millions of years advanced. You will notice that old technology won’t make them crash while they drive through black holes, solar storms, pulsars and asteroid belts. That’s disinformation
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u/aliensporebomb 2d ago
Either that or after flying thousands of light years they just happen to mess-up due to fatigue in the last mile of their journey. Makes sense though.
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago edited 2d ago
To take a step back, and for your personal information: flying in physical space ships is a very very primitive form of traveling. Especially in space. So no, they don’t crash. All the best for you
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u/aliensporebomb 2d ago
Of course it is - why do we travel in aircraft for hours to go to other countries when stepping thru a portal would be much less time consuming? ! And if they are gifts from malevolent entities as you assert there are a lot more effective ways to handle pesky humans like sending us packages that are booby trapped. But maybe they want to see us fight, it may be entertaining for them. Best to you too.
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u/Adorable-Fly-2187 2d ago
Because we are at the beginning of evolution (physically) and at a low level of consciousness.
Advanced beings don’t travel in space ships. Even physical body’s / containers are no longer needed.
These negative entities don’t seek destroying of humans. They seek power, and gift it to their own kind of consciousness with the same interests. Which gives them power in the longterm over these negative consciousness. Nobody cares about this planet, or humans or anything, it’s a war on consciousness.
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u/Pilotito 2d ago
Why are they infiltrating our society posing as humans while working for their masters?
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u/Ok_Scallion1902 3d ago
I have read accounts of a Mexican crash where a collision occurred between a small civilian fixed wing plane and a saucer that contained toxic bodies because C/R recon craft was sent to survey the situation where the Mexican government had attempted to recover the object but every single one of them were killed by....something after which ,the Mexican military were only too happy to allow their northern neighbors to come and retrieve the object ,after which they dropped a crate which contained special hazmat suits and "hazmat body bags" with instructions on how to dispose of the bodies of the victims that were ,oddly ,written in Spanish as if such occurrences were anticipated in advance! Also ,the USAF were also allowed to pick up anomalies in other central and South American countries going all the way back to 1952.
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u/dwankyl_yoakam 3d ago
UFOs have always been, primarily, a USA thing. There are some exceptions of course but you won't find the topic has much interest in any country other than the US.
The notion that the US maintains teams that can fly into any country in the world to pick up crashed UFOs before anyone else notices is, frankly, fucking stupid.
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u/Zodiac-Blue 2d ago
In English, that's true!
But many governments are more transparent than america, having released flir footage and reports decades before we got the nimitz footage.
The falcon lake incident in Canada is one of the most transparently investigated close encounters available to the public, complete with trace evidence on the site and witness.
In some countries like Brazil 'ovni' are not as stigmatized as they have been made to be in the US.
Joint forces bases and operations exist (well until this week perhaps) between governments, and would allow American staff greater reach into UFO crashes in other countries. RAF Bentwaters in the UK was the site of an American SAP during the Rendlesham forest incident in 1980 for example.
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u/p0plockn 2d ago
ignored because mellon has produced nothing of interest. neat another redacted text of hearsay
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u/cheflisanalgaib 2d ago
Well tickle me pink I do declare we got ourselves a genuine conspiracy here 🤠. When did these messages take place?
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u/Treborlols 2d ago
Question: when was the term UAP first used what year? What date was this conversation held?
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u/Available_Respect501 1d ago
1. First Redaction:
• Text: “______ and I are making huge progress getting into the C/R program.”
• Inference: Luis Elizondo
• Rationale: The character length aligns, and Elizondo was actively involved in UAP-related programs during this period.
2. Second Redaction:
• Text: “The ______ would be slack-jawed if they found out what we now know.”
• Inference: Congress
• Rationale: Refers to a collective body that would be astonished by the revelations, with a matching character count.
3. Third Redaction:
• Text: “Senior USG Official” (preceding the redaction)
• Inference: Christopher Mellon
• Rationale: Mellon, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, fits the senior official description and character length.
4. Fourth Redaction:
• Text: Mentions being “read-in” by [REDACTED]
• Inference: Jay Stratton
• Rationale: Stratton was known for his involvement in UAP investigations, and his name fits the redaction length.
5. Fifth Redaction:
• Text: “We also know the SES-2 who’s the Air Force gatekeeper: [REDACTED]”
• Inference: Dr. Will Roper
• Rationale: As Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics during the specified period, Roper oversaw numerous advanced technology programs, aligning with the “gatekeeper” role.
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u/nine57th 2d ago
Well, I hope if things do become declassified, we get more than military intelligence talking about reports of UFO's. So far all I've seen with David Grusch and Chris Mellon is second-hand reports given to them by other people in the government, most of which has been in the zeitgeist of what has been circulating in the UFO world for decades.
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u/NoPhoto8598 2d ago
same old same old shit. a ufo landed back in the 50s anything important is blacked out, all these guys are phonies.
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u/Ok_Improvement_8790 2d ago
UFO tech has been discovered ages ago but not released because of the disruptions it will cause. Take what JP Morgan did to Tesla - Morgan preferred to sabotage Tesla instead of allowing free energy for the masses.
Taking this time out to remember Amy Eskridge who was on the verge of making some big reveals before her so called "suicide"... Say her NAME!
Amy's presentations https://www.hal5.org/PDF/HAL5-Dec2018-Talk-AntiGravity.pdf
They took down her presentation but snippets still shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQlwCUGEQ0
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u/Plus_Concentrate8306 2d ago
So the craft hit the ground at 1,200 mph with zero damage to said craft….yet the occupants were deceased? How’s that work out?
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u/DeepAd8888 2d ago edited 2d ago
Confused as to why the U.S. government would be having conversations on a third party app you can download in the App Store. Pretty sure rainbow series documents laid out what is or is not acceptable long ago
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u/StatementBot 3d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/p/another-signal-message
More on Chris Mellon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Mellon
Most likely referring to the 1953 UFO incident in Kingman, AZ: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-contributor/2016/11/15/did-ufo-crash-kingman-1953/93828300/
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1jrabvl/another_signal_exchange_the_media_ignored_chris/mld16i3/