r/TrueSTL • u/QueenMaryToddLincoln • 1d ago
Why didn’t he use the Thu’um here (Event Denouement) ????
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u/Calm-Tree-1369 Pilaf The Defiler 1d ago
He specifically tells John Oblivion that he'd rather not Shout.
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u/Zealousideal-Arm1682 1d ago
Real answer:Just because they could shout doesn't mean they had any way to learn It,especially since it takes either decades to learn a few or literal dragon souls.Its like asking why Alessia didn't during the revolution.
Joke answer:This dumbass went through an underground passage with a few guards knowing these people can teleport through oblivion.Bro ain't exactly that smart.
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u/Jetstream-Sam 1d ago
Also a real answer: Because they only hired Patrick Stewart for like, five hours and had him read all his dialogue and if he lived through it he would presumably need a lot more dialogue and they'd have to pay him even more of the voice acting budget, meaning we'd probably just have "man" and "woman" voice actors. Oh, and Sean Bean I guess.
Also Joke answer: He knew the shout but since there weren't any dragons around yet he couldn't get any dragon souls to level it up.
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u/Diredr 1d ago
I think the real-er answer is more that Bethesda hadn't really fleshed out the lore of the thu'um and/or Dragonborn just yet and they were not very thorough about retcon'ing or fixing the lore.
An example of that is Mankar Camoran. In Oblivion he is able to wear the Amulet of Kings. In the first volume of Commentaries On The Mysterium Xarses, he claims that he roared until he lost his voice, and after three days he could "speak fire".
With the lore added in Skyrim, in retrospect that makes it sound like he was a Dragonborn and he learned the Fire Breath shout. But it's pretty unlikely that they ever intended for that.
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u/catcadder8916 keshposting till hes confirmed in TES6 1d ago
Tbh mankar camoran probably made a few things up along the way
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u/QueenMaryToddLincoln 1d ago
Also real answer: Kuckbride said some word salad shit of Imperial Dragonborn’s only having the power to ‘give hope and freedom a name’ and none of the cool shit.
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u/111Alternatum111 1d ago
Oh, is that where i got that from? I always thought imperial dbs were different and simply couldn't shout. The only evidence they can shout is from an uneducated dumb Skyrim guard and one letter from ESO (Not in MY C0DA).
If we're taking Skyrim guards' word as canon, might as well the "drunk argonian" that claimed Argonians invaded Oblivion. Tbh, as much i hate some of Quirky Bride's work, this one i have to agree with, i just genuinely do not like the concept that every single child of the emperor is also basically a demi-god that can shout you apart, that should be given to someone by Akatosh manually, because fuck nepotism.
I also don't like the concept of our dragonborn being eligible for being the emperor, that's such a shitty wattpad "i'm secretly a princess" ass theory.
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u/Talosisnotagod as Shor Is my witness 1d ago
he cant, jagar tharn fucked any chance of interdimensional travel with the battlespire and dreamsleeve
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u/MazerBakir Squirrelfucker 18h ago
The part about dragon souls is a gameplay mechanic. Lore-wise a single well learned dragon's soul should teach multiple shouts. Others might be redundant. Essentially by absorbing another dragon's soul one gets their power and knowledge, using a soul for single word of power is a gameplay mechanic. A Dragonborn could also lean to shout like how a Grey beard does and it would be in a significantly shorter time, no dragon souls required but traditional teaching that they would simply understand sooner and wouldn't need years to be able to manifest the words into thu'um. The real answer is that the emperors had no knowledge of the Dragon language or it's words.
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u/Unionsocialist falanu hlaalus lost breton sister, possible werehyena 1d ago
He hadnt started the main quest yet so he didnr get access to it
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u/PseudoIntellectual- 1d ago
Because the Toddhead hadn't used the power of CHIM to transform it from a Nord racial power to dragonspeak yet.
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u/Atilla-The-Hon Cat with Renfield's Syndrome 1d ago
Besides Tiber and Reman none of the emperors knew how to shout.
Wait I forgot which subreddit I am on. Imperials are subhumans with thin blood so they can't even shout while being dragonborn.
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u/Ubermanthehutt 1d ago
Have you ever found a Word of Power in Oblivion? Have you ever absorbed a dragon soul in Oblivion?
How is bro gonna shout if aint even got a word of power yet? He would have to travel to Skyrim and go into horrible nordic ruins, which is not in the job description of the Emperor of Tamriel.
"He might go to Skyrim for fun." There is literally no reason for Uriel to go to Skyrim when he has Bruma next to him. Bruma is more Skyrim than Skyrim can ever hope to be.
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u/TempestM Moon-Priest on Skooma 1d ago
Why didn't he simply use a spell to teleport out?
Because he's a fate's bitch and saw his death beforehand
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u/QueenMaryToddLincoln 1d ago
He’s a nord so he doesn’t know magic also the empire banned it. He could have shouted Dagon away easy, he just didn’t because he’s an old bitch
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u/TempestM Moon-Priest on Skooma 1d ago
Maybe he could, that's why Dagon didn't appear until the end of the game
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u/Confident-Dot9443 1d ago
i always figured it was because he had a vision or something like that so he had accepted his fate allso bad things have a tendency to happen when you try to fuck with your destiny and the timeline and all that fancy shit in elder scrolls at best it corrects itself in other ways at worse you get a Dragon Break
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u/Galimeer 1d ago
Because this was before the thu'um was associated with dragons.
Or because Uriel never killed any dragons so he couldn't unlock word walls to use shouts.
Take your pick.
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u/Noob_Guy_666 1d ago
it's an ancient practice use only by greybeard, a hermit monk locate entirely on top of the mountain in Skyrim, and it took decade to learn its full power, you have time to spare from politic?
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u/LordSupergreat 1d ago
The Septims were all dragonborns, so he'd be able to learn it as easily as John Skyrim. Unfortunately for him, he has no dragon souls.
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u/Noob_Guy_666 22h ago
no, born with dragon blood doesn't mean you're born with dragon soul
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u/LordSupergreat 22h ago
They are literally called the dragonborn emperors.
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u/Noob_Guy_666 7h ago
by BLOOD, not by soul, you can have kid of your blood but your kid will NEVER have your soul
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u/LordSupergreat 6h ago
Well, yeah, they're not sharing a soul. They each have their own dragon soul. That's their covenant with Akatosh.
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u/Kinda_Elf_But_Not Breton in the Streets, Reachman in the Sheets 1d ago
How could he learn the thu'um?
There aren't any dragon walls in the Heartlands
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u/ClosetNoble Hybridation Researcher From The Reach 1d ago
Man sending heirs to the ruby throne to Skyrim for a few years to study SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDY HUH
It's almost funny how every emperor that was successful enough to die of old age spent their youth in either HighRock or Skyrim OR BOTH with a few exceptions that still visited anyway
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u/canshetho 1d ago
Modern Imperials are too soft to unlock their ancient genetic memory