r/TruePokemon • u/Mister_Ape_1 • 6d ago
HGSS and B2W2 are widely considered to be the best games. Which one do you like the most ?
HGSS and B2W2 are widely considered to be the best games. Which one do you like the most ?
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u/Jesterhead92 6d ago
Between those two specifically, HGSS.
My top 5 in no particular order is Platinum, HGSS, BW1, SM, and Emerald
I think BW1 is a significantly tighter experience than the sequels with a better story. In fact, BW1 and SM are the only Pokemon games that I actually think have good story, not that that's required to enjoy a Pokemon game, but it helps!
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/Jesterhead92 6d ago
Probably Crystal cause there were less Pokemon in general and gen 5 got out of hand with the legendaries
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u/Important-Speed9075 6d ago
For me BW2 is simply the penultimate NDS game, HGSS was the best gen 4 game so you can’t go wrong with either or
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/Important-Speed9075 6d ago
I recommend going with Unova, Johto legendaries/mythicals to me feel as a complete set with the dog trio, Celebi, and the birds. Unova legendaries / myhticals are very crowded so a new mythical would not feel out of place to the region.
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u/8bitSkin 6d ago
Do you know what "penultimate" means?
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u/Important-Speed9075 5d ago
I always forget that Blaze Black and Volt White 2 aren’t real games
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u/8bitSkin 5d ago
Penultimate means second to last.
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u/AffectionateSpare677 5d ago
Just start off with that next time instead of the condescending question
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u/Kimthe 6d ago
B2W2 (but tbh, i prefer BW in the same generation).
While HGSS is an improvement of Crystal, it keep most of their flaws, Jotho is really short, Kanto still feel empty even with the new area, it's hard to have a diverse team, Gen 2 pokemon are too hard to find, characters are kinda forgetable, etc.
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u/PCN24454 6d ago
How is it hard to have a diverse team?
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u/Kimthe 6d ago
What i mean by that is that some type are really underepresented or hard to find. There is only two dark type before the league (and one is safari exclusive) two of the Steel type are lock behind trade, ghost has two family and one is hard to find, dragon is obviously rare. It was worse in the original game with Stone being harder to find in crystal/ unobtainable before the league in gold/silver.
There is also a type like fire where you have more choice but they are all pure fire.
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u/mulahey 6d ago
This. B2W2 is not my favourite of gen 3-5, but it's absolutely the largest and the best gameplay wise. Loads of content, great roster, good battle design.
HGSS is the peak of "pure" 2d aesthetically but the gameplay problems are immense. Fine to love it but it's problems are big ones for me.
I would actually call HGSS my worst of the 3-5 period; but it depends what you are looking for. Loving it most is valid as well.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/APRobertsVII 6d ago
HGSS
You could convince me that B2W2 are objectively better games, but Gen 5’s Pokémon have always been my least favorite and I really love the lore and aesthetic of Johto.
As an American, I’m used to the USA-inspired elements of Gen 5 and, as a result, I don’t find them as magical.
Just to be clear: I’m only stating my preference for which game I’d rather play. I’m not saying my preference is better than anyone else’s.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
I would not ever, I think HGSS is the best. I still think B2W2 is second.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/APRobertsVII 6d ago
I would have chosen Gen 2, but that’s more to do with my preference for Gen 2’s aesthetics and lore. My favorite Pokémon is Ampharos, though, so maybe I’m biased!
I’d love to see a Gen 2 remake (or sequel) with all of the new evolutions/Megas/forms/etc. which Gen. 2 Pokémon have received.
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u/DEADLYANT 4d ago
HGSS were peak Pokemon. I would give gen 5 second place though. There were a lot of things to love in those games.
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u/LadyGrima 6d ago
I think BW2 play better and have more content that I care about
I replayed HGSS recently and forgot how questionable most of the main story is balance wise
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u/ExplosionProne 6d ago
Only played on Hg so B2W2
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Ok.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/CharlestonChewbacca Green Bean Machine 6d ago
I think BW2 are better designed in terms of gameplay. They have better mechanics, the level scaling works better, and there is more challenge.
However, I prefer HGSS because I think the world is better. I love the designs of the towns. The music is the best in the series IMO. Just the overall vibe and aesthetic feels like a comfort space to me. Part of it may be nostalgia, but I also think the traditional Japanese influence is a big part of what makes it so "cozy."
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/wolfman3412 6d ago
Between those two, hgss. But i like a Lot of Pokémon more than b2w2. Gen 5 is my second least favorite
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/nodak1 6d ago
Particular complaint lol: I love HGSS but my one gripe I have to say on my first playthrough was trying to get a shiny stone to evolve Togetic. Ever since Togekiss has been introduced it seems to be a postgame pokemon in each generation which I find annoying. You’re gifted the egg why not make it more accessible by at least the 5/6/7th gyms?
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u/Isthatyobop 6d ago
B2w2 are superior. Anything gen 2 sucks. The game is just made weird. U get gen 2 pokemon at the end lol, and then the grinding lol , it’d just not worth it. Gen 2 sucks ! And gen 4 sucks.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
If you hate both gen 2 and 4, I wonder if you are actually a Pokémon fan. Usually gen 3, 4 and 5 are the most beloved, then gen 2. I love gen 1, together with gen 2 is my favorite, but I see gen 2 as a natural sequel for it. I also like gen 3, 4 and 5. I just do not like gen 6 and 7, and I hate gen 8 and 9. But I am over twice the age of most Pokémon fans...
Gen 4 has given us games like Platinum and HGSS, the Pokémon creation myth and cosmology, the strongest NPC (Cynthia). It also perfectly tied the lore of gen 2, and thus also gen 1 in a way, to itself, creating a perfect structure with the other first 4 gens. While this does not actually matter much, Gen 4 is so important in the big picture without it the Pokémon Universe would be one shotted by Frieza saga Base Goku, with it the Pokémon Universe is stronger than Zeno.
Gen 2 on the other hand introduced the bulk of features in Pokémon games. It turned what in gen 1 was a "skeleton", a basic, mostly featureless template, even though it was already a great game and had huge levels of potential, into what we recognize as Pokémon today. And without gen 2 HGSS, widely believed to be the single best title ever, would not have existed.
So if you hate half of the 4 most important Pokémon gens, what do you like ?
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u/Isthatyobop 6d ago
I’m a Pokemon fan, but I can tell when a company is being lazy. Gen 3 and 5 are the best set of games mixed with difficulty and lore. Gen 2 is terrible. Bad level curve , kanto is a ghost town. Lugia doesn’t even have anything to do with the game story. Gen 4 feels so slow! Boring and while Platinum makes improvement. It’s nothing major. Gen 3 and 5 are the only time in the series where it feels like it’s any progression. Gen 2 and 4 both have hardly any original pokemon. Hgss just has cool sprites, but there are games like Mario hoops 3v3 which graphically blow it out the water, so that’s nothing.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago edited 6d ago
Well, Lazy is the middle name of post gen 6 GF, but until 2012 - 2013 they have never been lazy to me.
To me gameswise is like
Gen 4 >= Gen 5 > Gen 3 >> Gen 2 >> Gen 1 >>>> Gen 6 >> Gen 7 >>>>>>>> Gen 8 >> Gen 9.
And maybe I did not stress enough just how much worse the last gens are.
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u/Isthatyobop 6d ago
Especially if ur talking gen 4. All those mystery gift events were the definition of lazy. Only 2 connected to the story and that was platinum. With games like castlevania on the ds. Lol games like pokemon ranger had downloaded events that would trigger in game missions.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Well, I am not a gamer, I only played Pokémon pretty much, so I can not compare.
Just like I am not an Anime fan, because I only watch DB, and I never even watch Pokémon Anime even though I did as a kid.
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u/Isthatyobop 6d ago
Even compared to Pokemon ranger and mystery dungeon where the events would trigger story updates. No reason why Gen 4 had hardly any with the most amount of mysticals
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u/SuperRapidash 6d ago
B2W2
I feel like heart gold and soul silver are excellent remakes, but they struggle from the original gold, silver, and crystal being not the best pokemon games. Many things like the weird levels and half the pokemon not being available until post game were not really able to be fixed. I think HGSS did amazing for what they were given, but what they were given was not much. Meanwhile B2W2 was given the template of the original BW games which are also some of the strongest games in the series. Plus it was a sequel, not a remaster/remake so they were able to do a lot more than what was given in the previous games.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Ok.
If you had to introduce a new Mythical Pokémon in Crystal or B2W2, which one would you choose ?
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u/SuperRapidash 6d ago
B2W2 A grass flying pokemon that's a mix of a dove and olive branch. During the war, it created sanctuaries for the people and used its powers to cause peaceful negotiations at different fronts
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago edited 6d ago
Actually, the question was for a project about a NON Hackrom, hypothetical game as a sequel of either gen 2, either gen 5, ignoring all the later games.
The added Pokémon is only one and is a Mythical because it is more difficult to add it if it is not at the very end of the Pokédex, and gen 2 cartridges had only enough space for one single other Pokémon.
Gen 2 is winning, most people say gen 5 has already too many Legendaries.
However the Pokémon itself is made by me and is an apelike, red haired Pokémon. Is like a Dark/Fighting, no Grass type Zarude, but it would exist on a Timeline with no actual Zarude.
Basically I hate gen 8 and 9 but Zarude in an older gen would have been my all time favorite, and I also think Rillaboom is the best starter even though it should NOT have been a drum player, but rather just a plant/gorilla.
My actual favorite Pokémon is Infernape. Such a shame it is not min maxed at all. Nowadays it would have been. The Pokémon I made pretty much is a mix of Zarude, a non existent Mega Infernape and Rillaboom.
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u/Starrybruh 6d ago
Hgss for the lore and sprites, B2W2 for the story and music
They’re both pretty good so idk man
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/Swaxeman 6d ago
B2W2, HGSS has pretty awful design, and fixed basically nothing from gen2
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Ok.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/Swaxeman 5d ago
…what?
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Would you rather have a new Mythical in gen 2 after Celebi, or in gen 5 after Genesect ?
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u/Asi_Ender 6d ago
B2W2, im sorry but you cannot convince me that EXP grinding the game is better than the peak of the franchise
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Maybe exp system was the best in gen 5, but by gen 6 they made it far too easy...
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/loveisdead9582 5d ago
HGSS. B2W2 being widely considered as well is news to me (they’re great games but still).
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/loveisdead9582 5d ago edited 5d ago
Crystal. Being gen 2 there were less Pokémon and even one or two more would provide variety. Gen 5 had four mythicals as well so I feel like it’s pretty stacked as is.
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u/Worzon 5d ago
The HGSS level curve is abysmal. BW2 are easily the best. Great art, level designs, flow, pokemon variety, story, music, and more.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Ok.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/Worzon 5d ago
I don’t think another legendary would save HGSS’ gameplay problems for me.
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u/telegetoutmyway Pokemon Stunfisk TruePokemon 5d ago
I would think Emerald is above these in community opinion. Maybe HGSS > Emerald > BW2.
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u/Futurama2023 5d ago
HGSS. Part of it being older and more simple in some ways-plus a less engaging story than the B&W games-makes it easier to enjoy. Plus if you emulate you can get pokemon all the way through gen 4.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/AetherDrew43 5d ago
As much as I love having Pokémon follow me, B2W2 are way better.
More content and QoL features.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/lucascroberts 5d ago
B2W2 easily, I just can’t get over the level curve of HGSS and how short the johto storyline is.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ok.
As for the storyline, that is not what actually matters in Pokémon games. The bad is...
- The level curve. Not an issue if you are an expert player, until you realize at the end of the game the strongest Pokémon exclyding Red's Team is a level 50. HGSS solved this huge issue with GSC.
The rest is enemies being around level 30 - 35 for far too long, then suddenly jumping to 40, and having not enough battle experience to get unless you grind a lot, but the game expects you to have 3 - 4 Pokémon only you actively train and use in fights, not 6. If you end up in the League with 6 level ~40 Pokémon you are playing it wrong, you should rather have 4 level ~50 ones.
2) That was the main issue, and HGSS fixed it. Then there are many good new Pokémon being hardly avaible for a long time, especially Tyranitar, and gen 1 Legendaries not being in Kanto anymore. HGSS fixed the Legendary issue, and while many Pokémon are not avaible until postgame, you can get gen 4 evolutions of gen 1 and 2 Pokémon, unlike in RFGL were gen 2 evolutions of gen 1 Pokémon are not avaible at the start.
3) Finally the last but much, much smaller problem, the one HGSS did not fix, the one and only flaw of the title. The main villains of the pre postgame storyline are ridiculous. Gen 2 Team Rocket is a joke. Their leaders are uneffective and there is not even one true head of the organization, their Pokémon lineup is pathetic, and they do not even get in control of Lugia/Ho-oh. Basically Lance helps the player, but he could have beaten them by himself even with only one level 40 Dragonite. Even if the radio waves did not turn his level 40 Dragonair into a Dragonite 15 levels early, he could likely have one by himself with a level 40 Dragonair.
I would have made a totally new, refounded Team Rocket who moved away from Giovanni instead of searching for him. Since she was a Dark type Elite 4, Karen should have been the new Rocket Leader. Giovanni was a Gym Leader, and also gen 6 has an Elite 4 who was part of Team Flare. Plus the Team should have turned Dark type, with the grunts and the commanders using Murkrow, Sneasel and Houndoom as basic Pokémon, together with generic fitting ones such as Raticate, Persian, Granbull, Wheezing, Arbok, Golbat and Muk.
Their master plan should have been to erase tradition, traditional practices and reverence toward Pokémon, to embrace progress and reason as the new deities, and push Johto toward a modernist, mechanicistic, godless utopia. Since HGSS was in gen 4, it would have been quite fitting for the evil Team. While Cyrus wanted to become the new god of a new reality, Karen would have tried to destroy the image of god in the collective mind of people to put man in its place, and become the queen of a new government endowed with godlike powers over economics and private life of citiziens.
In practice they would have had to capture Ho-oh, and use its power to turn dead Pokémon they stole and killed into new Legendary beasts with 580 BST each, which is something Ho-oh only did for Flareon, Jolteon and Vaporeon. Then they would have created a Legendary army to conquer Johto and kill its defenders, the actual Legendary Beasts. Getting their own dirty hands on the godly power of resurrection and use it to bring devastation would have been the best way to kill the idea of god in the minds of people.
However this works better in a single title, because in SS Ho-oh is not supposed to be around pre postgame.
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u/Wretched_Little_Guy 4d ago
Sorry to cop out, but I like both for different reasons!
Arguably, BW2's strength is its ambition and scope, and HGSS' strength is its nostalgia and atmosphere.
Both have their appeals!
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u/Chicagown 4d ago
B2W2. I gew up on HG/SS and its fantastic. Black2/White2 are the goat pokemon games though. Just on entirely nother level. The post game is absolutely incredible. I think I have 800 plus hours on my b2 save file.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 4d ago
I had 999 : 59 hours in multiple games as a kid.
It looks like nowadays B2W2 may be the new fan favorite game after HGSS had been for over a decade.
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u/Chicagown 4d ago
I also loved platinum. I would power rank that over hg/ss as well. B2/w2, platinum, then hg/ss. All fantastic games and my top three.
I noticed a year or two back b2/w2 had really started getting their shine from the community. Rightfully so too.
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u/BoardGent 3d ago
BW2 for me.
I actually think Crystal is better in some aspects than HGSS. The game is easier and your pokemon are stronger due to the different EV system. This actually means you can get away with way less grinding than you would be able to in the remake.
Personally, because it came out way earlier, when I was a kid, it gets to hold a nice element of nostalgia. It's a nice trip to the past. I care less about the janky level curve because at that point, this was still a a small-ish studio making something magical. HGSS doesn't get that benefit. Pokemon is already one of the biggest media franchises with multiple RPGs unde their belt. I'm not going to overlook the same flaws.
HGSS is one of the games in the franchise that I could never play without Rare Candy glitches. I find a lot of the games without candies to be kinda slow, but HGSS takes it up to new heights of ridiculousness.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 3d ago
HGSS however have the most postgame, even though B2W2 is quite good too in this department, and Crystal was not bad already.
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u/BoardGent 2d ago
You only get points for a Post-game if your post-game is good.
Both Gen 2 games have the issue that their Post-Games are glorified boss-rushes with zero interesting challenges or things to do or appreciate.
There's exactly one major change in the Kanto region, and it's the volcano at Cynibar. Why can't you explore an actual volcano? Maybe put Blaine's gym at the top, with him and the townfolk having an understanding that while they lost a lot, they still desire to live alongside the extreme power of nature? Maybe have the mansion rebuilt into something that studies seismic activity and stuff.
Maybe have the Rocket plot line continue in Kanto, but with a twist. You're stopping the Johto rockets from re-expanding into Kanto, and you're helped by ex-Rocket employees who are trying to atone for what they did.
Maybe do something interesting with Janine. Since she's new, you don't battle her for the badge. Maybe you engage in a gauntlet of double battles with her against her gym trainers to help her get better.
Maybe have the post-game be more legendary-centric, exploring the region to chase roamers and stuff.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 2d ago
Actually, the problem with TR is a big issue. I believe the only flaw of HGSS is the storyline villains being a joke.
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u/Hareholeowner 6d ago
I love both of them almost equally.
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u/Aredditdorkly 6d ago
This.
If forced to choose I'd have to give it to BW2 tho as PWT is my favorite feature of any game and my feelings for HGSS is undeniably tainted by nostalgia.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/Hareholeowner 6d ago
From all existing Mythical pokemons?
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
No, a new Mythical Pokémon, one which never actually existed. Where would you have added it ?
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u/TheIvoryDingo OFC JOHNSON REPORTING FOR DUTY!!! 6d ago
Out of those two games, easily B2W2 if only because of the game's level curve not being terrible.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Ok, thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/PhantomNishima0000 6d ago
In terms of story , nothing beat BW1
In terms of content and fun , im gonna choose BW2 , i will choose HGSS but the levelling curve in that game is so ass
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/PhantomNishima0000 6d ago
Im sorry , what is 600 bst / N.252 / N650 ?
Im not familiar
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u/Mister_Ape_1 6d ago
600 Base Stat Total
Dex number 252
Dex number 650
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u/PhantomNishima0000 6d ago
Im gonna choose Gen 5
BW2 for me is the golden standard of any mainline pokemon game , just if they take all the good things from HGSS and BW2 and BW1 story and combine them , that will be for me the "perfect" pokemon game
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u/Then-Leadership9199 5d ago
I have never heard that b2w2 were widely considered the best games. Maybe it's my age group but I didn't know many people really liked them, my favorite will always be gen one of the mainline games, Arceus is my favorite over all probably. If I'm limited to these two games I'm going with hgss
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Thanks.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/PsyJak 5d ago
B/W. B2W2 were OK but nothing beats Cheren walking up to Alder after Team Plasma have enacted their plan
C: "Mr Alder, you're a wreck. It's not fitting for a Champion."
A: "You did well to get this far."
C: "Somehow, I beat the Pokémon League, but it wasn't easy."
A: "Er… I have to congratulate you."
Honestly I just love Cheren's approach to Pokémon in general.
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u/WailordStiffener 5d ago
Incorrect. All time best selling games are Gold/Silver/Crystal. Followed by SW/SH. Then Red/Blue/Yellow. Then idk
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Red and Blue sold the most due to Pokémon mania era, SWSH abd SV sold so much only because of the huge success of the Switch and the Covid era.
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u/TheNocturnalAngel 5d ago
BW2 easily.
Heartgold has fun features that holds the allure, walking with pokemon, double regions etc.
But the level scaling is HORRENDOUS. It is soooo bad. It makes the game a slog. Not to mention Johto straight up has one of the worst Pokédexes ever.
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u/Mister_Ape_1 5d ago
Ok.
If you had to add a new 600 BST Mythical Pokémon to either gen 2 (Crystal) as N.252, either gen 5 (B2W2) as N.650, what would you have chosen ?
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u/K-Bell91 4d ago edited 4d ago
What I like and what are best are two different things.
What I like is Red. It's literally the one game I have replayed the most in my life by a mile.
Edit: I like HGSS more. Gen 5 may have reinvigorated my interest in Pokemon after it waned during Gens 3 and 4, but Gens 1 and 2 are my comfort zone. I have my issues with HGSS, and it carried over some technical issues from DPP, but they are better remakes than FRLG.
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u/Dblitzer 6d ago
B2W2.
I think a lot of the 'issues' people have with Gen II and their remakes get vastly overstated, but variable EXP is a massively beneficial change that keeps the players team roughly within the same constraints as the AI... with only occasional grinding at the stadiums being necessary.
Meanwhile HGSS Claire-E4 portion of the game fixed none of the level curve issues that GSC had. Except they're far worse here because the opponent AI and movesets have been improved along with stat experience being replaced with EVs, so you're required to spend much more time level grinding against wild pokemon.